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Swedishoo
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North Pinellas County, Florida
280 posts, Aug 2000

posted 08-16-2000 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swedishoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check out this On and Off spray. Kinda shoots the hell out of the atmospheric air pockets. This photo was taken and untouched (I also checked it's authenticity) by Phil, webmaster of Chemtrails Over Wisconsin.

Christy ~ Swedishoo



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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-19-2000 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
putt putt putt putt putt...

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Falcon
The voice of sanity and reality!


87 posts, Aug 2000

posted 08-22-2000 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Falcon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup, sure looks like an engine surge to me.

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-09-2000 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From the Pratt-Whitney site:

quote:

Surge
Surge is a disturbance of the airflow through the engine's compressor. It can be caused by a number of factors. It has also been called a stall, but this is an aerodynamic stall, not like the stall in a car's engine. In a surge the compressor blades lose their lift, much like an airplane wing when it stalls. Surges occur for a wide variety of reasons and usually result in loss of power for only a fraction of a second, although they can damage an engine. They are sometimes accompanied by a loud bang and a puff of smoke. They have been likened to a car engine's backfire.

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Phil
Senior Member

Wisconsin
30 posts, Sep 2000

posted 09-09-2000 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil   Visit Phil's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I guess they kept the crash a secret, because within one minute of this photo, the aircraft stopped all emisions, and continued out of sight over the horizon, not changing altitude.

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Best Wishes Phil

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goldrush
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No, Calif. USA
109 posts, Sep 2000

posted 09-09-2000 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goldrush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Phil, can you describe the aircraft and time period passing. Why didn't you photograph a succession of photos? I have "puff" pics that would baffle just about anyone, unless they knew what the source was, or was there at the time they were created. I have seen dissipating contrails also which for just 5 minutes or so, would break up before dissipating into clean little chunks. If you photographed this photo to raise questions, then I pose mine to you. Tell more... Did you id the type of aircraft at least?

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Phil
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Wisconsin
30 posts, Sep 2000

posted 09-09-2000 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil   Visit Phil's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Goldrush,
The aircraft appeared all white, twin engine,707 type, not positive though.
I watched it leaving a heavy trail,continuous,thick!! when I first saw it coming from the east, at roughly the same altitude I see other aircraft, when it was right over head it started to show the broken trail, it seemed so apparent that it had run out of what ever it was releasing. I was doing chores at the time, and did not have the camera on my person, I ran to get it, and snapped the shot of the broken trail. I did take a couple of more shots, but all where of basically the same thing. I watched the aircraft continue on its coarse, it did not change alt. or speed that I could tell. and it did not leave any trail after the trail started breaking up. NONE not even normal forming ice crystal coming off the control surfaces. I have watched the skies for some time now, and this is the only time I have seen this, I have seen the aircraft turn on than off, to give the chem cloud a more "normal" apperance when it has spread out, seldem do I see the horizon to horizon trails anymore, which I think is strange in itself, if this was naturally occuring.

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-10-2000 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I see a lot of these short little trail segments. Recently observed a family of about 20 of short segments hanging over southwest part of town around 6:00pm. Two of these were freshly laid with very distinct beginning and ends. There were no continuous trails anywhere only these short segments, generally east-west in orientation, scattered randomly in a large section of the sky. The rest of the segments were in various degrees of expansion and were slowly drifting away.

Here are some other segment examples: Two Friends, Horizontal Dashes, Wolverine Claws.



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Deborah
Take It To The Limit


Flagstaff, AZ
700 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-10-2000 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deborah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thermit -

Re: "segments" - the sky over Boston was loaded with these on Friday, September 8, particularly in the early part of the day. There was no general "orientation" involved - frankly, they looked like a bunch of cigars scattered randomly about. Also, between ~10:30am and 4:00pm EDT there was quite a "production" of every formation type imaginable. Long trails stacking up along the coastline all morning; a dense, bright white curdled-looking wall cloud along the coast at ~2:30pm; assorted bizarre "cirrus" formations all day; at one point a blanket of deeply furrowed alto-cumulus to the west; long narrow bands of wimpy-looking cumulus dripping streams of god knows what as I watched.

We had similar "activity" on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of last week. I am talking "conditions" that change within 30 minutes from one visual reality to its absolute opposite.

On my way home from work Tuesday evening, August 29, the sky rapidly filled up with VERY low-altitude yellow cumulus between 5:00pm and when I got off the train at 5:30, at which point I photographed them. By 6:50pm, just prior to sunset, this "cumulus" had all but disappeared to be replaced, at higher altitude, by large expanses of haze which turned to those curdled-looking alto-cumulus type formations as I watched and photographed. I am talking a 20-30 minute time frame at most here.

I have to say that, at the very least, what I am observing here this summer is evidence of atmospheric instability. I personally feel there is more to it than that, involving a serious, chronic disturbance in atmospheric chemistry.

Those of you out west who aren't seeing the above-described, lucky you. May it last forever.

Photos on their way.

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Falcon
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87 posts, Aug 2000

posted 09-11-2000 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Falcon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can't wait to see those!

Phil, what the hell are "normal forming ice crystals coming off the control surfaces"???

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Phil
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Wisconsin
30 posts, Sep 2000

posted 09-11-2000 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil   Visit Phil's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Falcon.
If you are aware of how real contrails are formed, you know that it is not only the heat from engines that can make a contrail, the aircraft itself moving fast through cooler air can make athin contrail as the air moves over the control surfaces, ( the wings, flaps etc.) the speed of the air moving over these surfaces heats up as it moves over the surfaces, thus making a contrail.

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-19-2000 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Houston, Tuesday, September 19th 2000

They are at it again with the "strips". Observed one trail streching across sky and a pair of in-line Chemtrail strips. The ends of the strips were very defined as they had just been laid. This is a common technique for making the trails less obvious to the untrained eye, and a more natural effect after trail dispersal.

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-02-2000 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Phil has caught another example of the "Trail Strip"....



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theseeker
One moon circles

Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-02-2000 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On and off trails :

If the atmospheric water content is not consistent with altitude picture atmospheric "waves" of high water vapor content below a layer of low water vapor content much like waves on the ocean, then a jet will alternately pass through air that allows contrail formation and air that does not. This gives the appearance of a dashed line if the plane is flying at, or near the perpendicular to the waves. If the atmosphere is highly supersaturated, then the formed ice crystals may act as nucleation centers for a continual spreading of the contrail. In other words, the contrail actually causes the supersaturated moisture to condense, spreading out from its original path. This causes the formation of a cirrostratus cloud structure, far in excess of what would occur from a simple contrail.

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-02-2000 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeker,

There's no denying the natural phenomenon that you speak of.

However, I have personally witnessed a sky full of these strips that is in no way consistent with that phenomenon.

For example I might buy the wave theory for strips oriented like this:

-- -- --

-- -- --

But when the orientation is more like this, it doesn't fit the theory:

-- | --

-- -- \ --

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Falcon
The voice of sanity and reality!


87 posts, Aug 2000

posted 10-04-2000 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Falcon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Come on Thermit give us a picture of that kind of trail (-- / --) that isn't just two airliners crossing flight paths.

I watched an aircraft today leaving small, regularly spaced trails. Why was this occuring?

Simple, mountain wave activity, caused in a stable airmass and characterised by the formation of lenticular clouds. As the air rises and falls across the affected area it's Relative Humidity changes, obviously once it reaches dew point temp it condenses out to form the lenticlar cloud. It, of course, also accounts for the evenly spaced formation of contrails. I know for a fact that nobody in that aircraft was spraying anything!

I have to admit to the untrained eye it would look a little strange.

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-04-2000 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm talking about an area of the sky that was full of little contrail strips. Not long intersecting trails.

You and Seeker have both explained that there is a natural mechanism by which trails can appear as dashed lines. I can buy that, no problem. This could give a trail symbolically represented lke this:

-----..........-----..........-----.......-----

The dashes are the trail and the periods are the area with no trail.

The concept that you have both presented implies that there are no trails in the "........" area, because this area doesn't support contrail persistance.

But, I've seen a situation where more of these strips inhabited the "......." area. This is the part that doesn't fit, in this particular instance, the theory you guys are presenting.

Also, I would expect that the boundaries between the two air layers would be somewhat fuzzy. Even though the layers are seperated, it shouldn't be a razor sharp boundary. But the fresher strips that I saw had very sharp edges. Similar to this...

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Falcon
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87 posts, Aug 2000

posted 10-04-2000 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Falcon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The crossing trail could easily be at a higher or lower level that does support contrail formation.

I am not talking about separate "air layers" as you describe them, this is not a frontal issue. I'm talking about the natural rise and fall of air in a stable airmass.

Also, it is a pretty sharp line between condensing at dewpoint and not condensing very slightly above dewpoint. An aircraft wing generating lift, and certainly an aircraft pulling enough G close to the cloudbase or in a nearly saturated airmass will generate condensation above the wing in the low pressure area or in the form of wingtip vortices.

Finally, the "sharp" edges of the trails in your pictures may simply indicate a lack of upper winds.

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-15-2000 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

By Deborah from Boston

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Swedishoo
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North Pinellas County, Florida
280 posts, Aug 2000

posted 10-15-2000 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swedishoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh MY!! That's a perfect shot of a cut off Deborah!! Air pockets or low pressure areas could not leave that little tail at the top. The other photo posted earlier also show this, but Deborah's close up is a great one.

I'd like to hear Falcon's comments on this image.

Christy

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goldrush
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No, Calif. USA
109 posts, Sep 2000

posted 10-15-2000 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goldrush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An excerpt from my little old (1968) weather forcasting book.. "TRAILS formed by a aircraft help to tell wind speed and direction aloft. When they are dense they indicate the possible influence of a warm front. When they do not persist they indicate a relatively dry upper atmosphere and therefore little chance of major deterioration. High speed upper winds shred trails rapidly. If they shred sideways then the wind is across the trails, and in (3). If they form castellated tops then the wind is parallel to the trails." pg 12 Instant Weather Forcasting -- From pg 42 and picture titled "Quiet evening" ...the upper cloud is largely spread out vapor trails, but they are dense and persistent. There seems, however, to be no organised wind directon at their level and this points to a continuation of the present quiet weather.

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Falcon
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87 posts, Aug 2000

posted 10-16-2000 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Falcon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK then here are my comments.

Looks like the aircraft photographed is at the top of decent, throttling back will create a sudden change in engine output and will therefore obviously affect the formation of a contrail. As for the two "tails" on the contrail, they are nothing more than the remants of condensed wingtip vortices in the saturated air of the trail.

Either that or the crew have just turned the big "CHEMTRAIL" switch off!

Incidently, can someone please tell me what an "air pocket" is.

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cydoniaquest
nobody

nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000

posted 10-24-2000 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cydoniaquest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Swedishoo
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North Pinellas County, Florida
280 posts, Aug 2000

posted 10-24-2000 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swedishoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hehehehe, Cy


You have to admit, you laughed too Falcon. Funny stuff.

Christy

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goldrush
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No, Calif. USA
109 posts, Sep 2000

posted 10-24-2000 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goldrush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have watched many contrails dissipate in various fashions. The trouble with a photograph is that it only depicts one point in time. It is unfortunate that many pictures of contrails do not include the aircraft or time lapsed, since the contrail was produced and also including weather conditions before, during and after, as well as time of day, or date and geographical orientation. I can understand the curiosity that is generated by such photos. A huge amount of supporting or dismissing information is lacking. Usually, I have seen these kinds of contrails over hills and mountains, in the morning. To me, it is not evidence of spraying.

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