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Sore Throat
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posted 09-10-2000 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These references have been collected from many contributors at the Carnicom Board:

"Edward Teller Advances Global Warming Cure" -bucky b www.ncpa.org/pi/enviro/envpd/pdenv125.html

"Sunscreen for Planet Earth" -bucky b
"GLOBAL WARMING IS TOO SERIOUS TO BE LEFT TO THE POLITICIANS. HEREWITH A SCIENTIFIC SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. (IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, THAT IS.)"
www-hoover.stanford.edu/publications/digest/981/teller.html

"Climate Controls" bucky b www.reason.com/9711/fe.benford.html
A must read!

"Climate Engineering" -bucky b
A critical review of proposals, their scientific and political context, and possible impacts. www.chooseclimate.org/cleng/cleng.html
Lengthy, excellent analysis.

Atmospheric Aerosols:
What Are They and Why Are They So Important?
oea.larc.nasa.gov/PAIS/Aerosols.html

New Weather Modification Research Papers-Dr. Bernard J. Eastlund www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/HPEMRAD/Eastlund.htm

"PLANETARY DEFENSE,ASTEROID DEFLECTION & THE FUTURE OF HUMAN INTERVENTION IN THE EARTH'S BIOSPHERE" -msswv123
abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/oberg.html


"Taking the Twist Out of a Twister" -cydoniaquest www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/tornado_taming_000303.html

Ten Thousand Cloud Makers
Is airplane exhaust altering Earth's climate? www.sciencenews.org/sn_arch/7_6_96/bob1.htm

Send in the clouds -msswv123 www.newscientist.com/ns/980530/features.html

Welcome to the NRL/Monterey Aerosol Links Page
kelvin.nrlmry.navy.mil:9999/aerosol/index_links.html#aerosolsbytype

American Association for Aerosol Research www.aaar.org/index.htm

SSC San Diego D858 - Technical Documents By Year
sunspot.nosc.mil/543/year.html

Weather as a Force Multiplier wning the Weather in 2025 -Deborah www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm#Contents

"Activate Cloud Shield! Zap a Twister!" -msswv123 www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.01/weather_pr.html
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CHEMICAL ATMOSPHERIC REMEDIATION:

"Crew Faces A Nightmare Fate Below" -DotCom
(barium hydroxide used as CO2 scrubbers)
washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30799-2000Aug15.html
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JET FUEL:

"Jet Fuel Health & The Environment" -Chickie Deb & Deborah www.aircareintl.org/fuel.html
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GLOBAL WARMING:

"Global warming 'a reality'"
news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_912000/912599.stm

"Global Warming Alert from NOAA and U.K." www.earthfiles.com/earth107.htm

"Carbon at 20 million year high"
news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_883000/883398.stm

"Arctic warming gathers pace"
news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_880000/880228.stm

"NASA confirms Greenland ice cap melting" -HH www.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/07/20/greenland.ice/index.html

"Warmer Weather Melts North Pole Ice"
dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000821/sc/north_pole_meltdown_1.html

...but what's even more interesting, the following retraction ten days later:

"AP Corrects North Pole Story"
dailynews.yahoo.com/h/xnyap/20000829/lo/north_pole_meltdown__corrective_1.html

"Global Warming" www.solcomhouse.com/globalwarming.htm

"US Having More Heat Waves"
dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000726/hl/heat_2.html

"New greenhouse gas threat" HAARP Bi-Product?
news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_854000/854940.stm

"New Greenhouse Gas Identified; Potent Though Rare, NYT Reports" -HH
my.aol.com/news/story.tmpl?table=n&cat=0110&id=0007280840499835

"Global warming spells health warning" www.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/07/17/global.warming.enn/index.html

"GLOBAL WARMING: BAD FOR ALLERGIES"
ens.lycos.com/ens/aug2000/2000L-08-16-09.html

"Global warming a threat to plants, wildlife - report"
news.excite.com/news/r/000830/09/environment-globalwarming

"Climate Change Control Cheaper by the Half-Dozen"
ens.lycos.com/ens/oct99/1999l%2D10%2D07%2D07.html

"Scientists Watch Cities Make Their Own Weather" www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/081500sci-environ-climate.html
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OZONE DEPLETION:

"Ozone hole largest yet"
news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_916000/916037.stm

"U.N.: Ozone Hole Opening Up Quickly"
...key quote:``one thing's quite clear - there's no sign of recovery yet,''
dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000908/sc/un_ozone_layer_5.html

"Less Ozone, More Disease, More Chemtrails" www.sightings.com/general3/lessmore.htm

"Thinning Antarctic Ozone Layer Alarms Researchers"
ens.lycos.com/ens/aug2000/2000L-08-29-02.html

Atmospheric Chemistry & Dynamics Branch-TOMS -kanuck 57
toms.gsfc.nasa.gov/

"New Canadian Satellite to Study Arctic Ozone Thinning"
ens.lycos.com/ens/mar2000/2000l%2D03%2D13%2D01.html

"Australia Sells Tons of Ozone-Depleting Halon to U.S. Defense Dept."
ens.lycos.com/ens/jan2000/2000l%2D01%2D28%2D02.html

"Halon Emissions Slow Ozone Layer Recovery"
ens.lycos.com/ens/mar99/1999l%2D03%2D04%2D03.html

"Severe loss to Arctic ozone"
news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid%5F702000/702388.stm

"Huge Losses Found in Arctic Ozone Layer"
ens.lycos.com/ens/apr2000/2000L-04-06-06.html

"The Ozone Depletion Phenomenon"
www4.nationalacademies.org/beyond/beyonddiscovery.nsf/web/ozone?OpenDocument

"U.S. EPA Methyl Bromide Phase Out Web Site" -kanuck 57 www.epa.gov/docs/ozone/mbr/mbrqa.html


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PLANTS:

"Scientists Identify Fungus Lethal to Coastal Oaks" -50days www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/07/15/MN66500.DTL
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BIOTERRORISM:

"US Totally Unprepared for Bioterrorism" -zulu cowboy,DotCom www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=111217

"Blowing Up Dangerous Germs with Oily "Nano Bombs" www.earthfiles.com/earth031.html

"Germ Warfare-The Hall of Shame" -kdw43215
home.earthlink.net/~bkonop/GermIncidents2.html

"The Threat of Deliberate Disease in the 21st Century" www.brad.ac.uk/acad/sbtwc/other/disease.htm

"U.S. Military Use of Anthrax Vaccine Under Fire"
dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000728/hl/anthrax_2.html

"Bayer's Cipro Wins FDA Panel Backing for Anthrax Prevention Use" -HH
my.aol.com/news/story.tmpl?table=n&cat=0110&id=0007280317519236

"The Chemical Weapons Coverup" www.afpc.org/issues/chemcover.htm

"Bio Warfare - Biological and Chemical Agents"
library.thinkquest.org/27393/tqtranslate.htm#METHODS

"Emerging Diseases"
educate-yourself.org/emergdiseases.index.html

"Guidelines for the Surveillance and Control of Anthrax in Humans and Animals" -DotCom www.who.int/emc-documents/zoonoses/docs/whoemczdi986_nofigs.html

"The CIA and the West Nile Virus - What New Viruses' Vaccines & 'Chemtrails' Have in Common" -jul01 www.sightings.com/general3/cia.htm

"President denies NY West Nile aid" www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=116159

"LEGIONELLOSIS, POTTING SOIL - USA: MAY-JUN 2000" -data junkie www.promedmail.com:8080/promed/promed.searchhtml.showmail?p_filename=20000904.1503&p_year=2000&p_month=09

"Bioterrorism In Martha's Vineyard?" (Tularemia) www.sightings.com/general3/bio.htm

"Yet Another Exotic New Disease Appears In New York" (Babesiosis) www.sightings.com/general3/exotic.htm

"Rare Parasitic Disease Kills 21 Dogs" (Leishmaniasis)-msswv123
dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000825/us/foxhound_disease_2.html

"Rare Virus Linked to Death of Three" (Arenavirus)
dailynews.yahoo.com/h/hsn/20000809/hl/rare_virus_linked_to_death_of_three_1.html

"Emerging Diseases Discussion Board" -data junkie
discserver.snap.com/Indices/93896.html
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DISINFORMATION:

"ChemTrails" www.disinfo.com/disinfo?p=dossier&title=Chemtrails

Contrails or Chem-Trails? You Decide… www.888webtoday.com/tb323.html

"Wildfires add color to sunset" -bucky b www.lacrossetribune.com/local_news/20000815_sunset.html

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CONTRAIL OCCURANCE:

"Patrick Minnis, J. Kirk Ayers and Steven P. Weaver, Surface-Based Observations of Contrail Occurrence Frequency Over the U.S., April 1993--April 1994"
techreports.larc.nasa.gov/ltrs/refer/1997/NASA-97-rp1404.refer.html
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Media & Meteorologists

"Too Dry, Too Wet, Too Hot: The Nation Is Divided by Its Weather Woes" -msswv123
ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGITS7K9ZBC.html

MUST SEE!!!!
These are captures of a time lapse weather cam.
Lambeau Cam Channel 11 Fox, Green Bay Wisconsin 8/03/2000, 9:00pm broadcast
He described the Chemtrails, and resulting ChemCloud as high cirrus -phil northwoods Wisc www.frontiernet.net/~ridgelin/lambeau.html


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LAWS BEING BROKEN:

"Sec. 1520a. Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents"
www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1520a.html

"The Nurenberg Code"
psy.utmb.edu/research/radmin/nurembrg.htm
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PATENTS:

US3899144: Powder contrail generation
patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn=US03899144__&s_all=1

US5003186: Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming www.patents.ibm.com/details?&pn=US05003186__

US4402480: Atmosphere modification satellite -msswv123
patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn10=US04402480

US4464473: Ice nucleating microorganisms -msswv123
patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn=US04464473__&s_clms=1#clms

US5169783: Increasing nucleation activity with lichens and fungi -msswv123
patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?pn=US05169783__

US5807697: Biological tracer method -msswv123
patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn=US05807697__

US5328717: Method of making a salt-doped metal-coated article having an evanescent electromagnetic detection signature -msswv123
patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn=US05328717__&show_fami=1

US5038664: Method for producing a shell of relativistic particles at an altitude above the earths surface -msswv123
patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn=US05038664__

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-10-2000 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Throat,

It is nice to present information , but will you ever lift a finger to find out who, what or why or how.......

nope.....

BTW, you hump.....there are no debunkers or skeptics left at carniscam (that are real).....so your flaming posts denoting silence by debunkers is ignorant......

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Thermit
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posted 09-10-2000 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sore Throat, thanks for the references.

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Sore Throat
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posted 09-11-2000 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeker,

I can't say that we've missed you over at Carnicom's board. It's actually been a real breath of fresh air...one of the few I've had recently and it's greatly appreciated.

I see You haven't changed. When unable to address facts directly, you revert to personal attack.

Here's your chance for a response. Let's see an educated response to the following:

As Wise Woman and 50 Days among others have documented, there were blatant horizon to horizon CHEMTRAILS over the SF Bay Area yesterday. Today none. Thursday none. So what was SOOOO special about atmospheric conditions YESTERDAY????

Any of you SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED Debunkers out there, or have you all run for cover?

Let's see you make your case. This should be good for a laugh. Right about now I need one.

Friday, September 8th
Skew-T http://www-das.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?OUTPUT=GIF&TYPE=SKEWT&HOUR=12&DAY=8&MONTH=9&YEAR=2000&STATION=oak

Water Vapor http://www.atmos.washington.edu/images/wv_enhanced/2000090820.gif


Saturday, September 9th

Skew-T http://www-das.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?OUTPUT=GIF&TYPE=SKEWT&HOUR=0&DAY=10&MONTH=9&YEAR=2000&STATION=RIW

Water Vapor http://www.atmos.washington.edu/images/wv_enhanced/2000090820.gif

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-12-2000 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have to go to the 9th....

I'll give you the skew-t does not anywhere near justify trail production...BUT if you look at the water vapor link....you see all kinds of unstable air....thus trails...and they probably looked real cool !

I have seen trails maybe 4 times in the last 40 days ,44 without rain here....things are a changin' though....look at the gulf...and the cold air mass from the north...timing ?

>"I can't say that we've missed you over at Carnicom's board. It's actually been a real breath of fresh air...one of the few I've had recently and it's greatly appreciated."<

Yep, I bet S/T , the lack of response to your posts shows my absense....indeed....

I'm surprised at you and skylooker's choice to not post at christy's board....if you all wish to be chickens and hide from the light that's your biz...I guess....so what have you say...can bacteria live in the clouds ?

I forgot...you hump !

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Sore Throat
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posted 09-12-2000 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeker,
Given the terms of membership which I agreed to when I joined this forum I will not stoop to your level to respond in kind.

I assume that this is a moderated board, and that if you maintain your present demeanor you will be tossed from here as well.

Once again, no loss.

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-12-2000 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bet that just killed you to have to put a email addy down....

Have you figured out where to put the bumpersticker ? Or do you think it might give away your position ?

Using ADDS I checked your finding and the temperature of yours differs considerably, -35 to -40 ,all kinds of moisture around...

Ya' know S/T your really starting to sound like carnicom...not the 'nut' part but your sentence structure and tone.....yuk !

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Eurybia
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posted 09-12-2000 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eurybia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No humping on this board please. Let's keep it clean.

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Thermit
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posted 09-12-2000 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The text-based sounding looks damn dry to me...

Seeker please explain how to use ADDS for dates in the past.

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-12-2000 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can't Thermitt, however you can capture screens , and or take a observation, use plots of present plot progression backward and get a decent idea of how it would have looked...I remember seeing ship trails on the weather channel dot com before I left for work on the 9th....

Sore Throat has a tendency to exaggerate the worst of things in order to make a point...

Even in the appearance of dry conditions contrails can form....check this :
http://www.geophys.washington.edu/Surface/Atmospheric/icephys/main.html

So I can't call S/T a hump anymore....damn...

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Thermit
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posted 09-13-2000 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeker,

If you had only the textual skew-Ts to go off of, and you had to make your best approximation of the required factors for contrail persistance what would your parameters be?

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Sore Throat
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posted 09-13-2000 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone who has followed seeker will be quite familiar with the vacuous and specious quality of his posts. This characteristic has been uniformly predictable.

You will note that no effort was made to distinguish the objective, measured, verifiable atmospheric conditions that resulted in horizon to horizon trails in the SF Bay Area on Friday Sept 8th, and the absence of any on the 9th.

And it is when he is cornered with such facts that he reverts to personal attacks, pathetically attempting to redirect the focus away from the topic at hand.

Pure Dubunk.

And by the way seeker, plenty of moisture in our area today, but no persistent trails.

Keep at it and we'll all keep laughing!

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theseeker
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posted 09-13-2000 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your talking persistent contrails -35 to -40 ,and RH of 60% to 80%......

that would be a reasonable set of parameters

the only problem with soundings is they are only accurate within certain parameters, knowing S/T as I do he probably sat around all day til he found one that would lead to suspicion.....

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theseeker
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posted 09-13-2000 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>And by the way seeker, plenty of moisture in our area today, but no persistent trails.

I bet you have none tomorrow either....throat....

>Keep at it and we'll all keep laughing!<

statements like that throat, is exactly why you are a 'hump'.......

I'm not the one who runs inside and puts a blanket over his head when I see contrails....

I guess you have not seen the new welsbach stuff...to busy with character assasination....eh ?



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posted 09-14-2000 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A quote from another board :

SKYLOOKER
Registered User
(9/11/00 8:05:07 pm)
"trails" o'er Sac-town,,,,,,,
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They wanted to make them-selves quite apparent on 9/8-and 9/9. No "trails" since then, but there is a new mode of transmission, that we and you out there in internet land cannot lend a real hand to. Planes continue to plague our environs/in and out/get ready for, the new Mix!>>>>>>>CHIEF SKYLOOKER.
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According to skylooker....there was trails on the 9th ...throat....so by your implication, saying you had none...that is is not possible to have trails and not have trails in the distance between sacremento and your area ?

If 'they' can make trails regardless of the atmospheric condition then you should have had them too....right....throat !

I cannot wait for your response....

If you don't...then you have been exposed...

I think Jay would say....HA !

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posted 09-14-2000 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CHIEF SKYLOOKER lives inland in the vicinity of Sacramento. Conditions there do not necessarily match those of the coastal Bay Area. The soundings that were provided to you were taken from Oakland.

Let me help you out a bit, seeker.

VACUOUS: 1. Devoid of matter, empty 2. Stupid; dull, expressionless 3. Devoid of substance or meaning; inane 4. Purposeless, unoccupied; idle

SPECIOUS: 1. Seemingly fair, attractive, sound or true but actually not so; deceptive 2. Having the ring of truth or plausability but actually fallacious

HUMP: (slang) To exert oneself.

Yes seeker, I do exert myself to expose agents of disinformation...and will continue to do so.

Don't forget to report back to your master, seeker.

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theseeker
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posted 09-15-2000 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well that does not surprise me....

instead of discussing fact, your over educated 'liberal' mind chooses to make character attacks .....fine...let me do the work for you, one more time....the sounding came from basically your own backyard (oakland) your in the bay area....skylooker is what 50 to 120 miles from you in sacremento guessing/approx.????

He says thick long trails on the 8th you do too...he says long thick trails on the 9th...you say nada.....now most trails unless they are on top or overhead of you are atleast 50 miles away in appearance,this approximation was measured by a moving vehicle of mine 50 miles plus away and the same trail was almost on top of them....this was a very unqiue trail, and Christy has seen it...certainly more verifiable documentation and research than you've done.....Throat....

back tuit, calculating the distance of your contrails and his , would be to say that your visible pattern (horizon sky) should appear similar would not be a incorrect statement....and you are hoaxing about the "9th", or have inaccurate data......

or I'm 100% correct about areas or bubbles in the atmosphere 10 to 25 miles wide that can exist inside the parameters of non-contrail producing air.......and when aircraft pass thru this air, persistent trails can occur and spread....this would be small areas of cold air and RH of 60 to 80% .

get out of the dark ages....Throat....science can prove things for you.....even a simple wireless phone call can prove things.....my oldest daughter called me on the phone (53 miles outside of town) and said "Dad you ought to see this cloud (contrail) it's all different colors.....and I said " already took a picture of it sweetie....have a safe trip.....

Factual and verifiable... Throat....you should try it...very rewarding.....

out

BTW .....hump ~ odd projectile under the skin trying to protrude out of back of neck !

see quasimoto.........

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