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Phil
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Wisconsin
30 posts, Sep 2000

posted 09-11-2000 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil   Visit Phil's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I finially received a response from the DoD, here it is. The link at the bottom was given when I asked for doc. on the research sited.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~ridgelin/DoD.html

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Best Wishes Phil

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Falcon
The voice of sanity and reality!


87 posts, Aug 2000

posted 09-11-2000 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Falcon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An eloquent and well reasoned response from the DoD, I'm sure they have much larger things to concern themselves with. Can we please put this whole "Chemtrail" garbage to bed now? You really must be able to find something more important to do with your lives.

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Phil
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Wisconsin
30 posts, Sep 2000

posted 09-11-2000 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil   Visit Phil's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You Go right to bed Falcon! If you swollow this load of SH*T,you need to go to bed!

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zeaal
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TX, USA
2 posts, Sep 2000

posted 09-11-2000 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zeaal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am absolutely stunned! Shocked.


Greetings, I am a new poster to the forum.


Shocked, just shocked.

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-12-2000 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is my translation of the letter:


Dear Congress Person,

We receive so many requests from Congressional Members on this subject that we have created a form letter specifically for "Chemtrails" and this is it!

We think the idea that "Chemtrails" could exist is so utterly rediculous and unworthy of attention by intelligent people that we have asked established and accredited universities and respectable scientific organizations to spend their valuable time and money refuting...I mean researching this phenomenon...I mean hoax. That is why we can tell you with a straight face that you are dumb for having asked about it. Don't you feel foolish!

The reason that people are seeing new aircraft activity in recent years, consistent with an aerial spraying program, is that there is more civil aviation traffic... yeah... that's it. So much civil aviation traffic you can't shake a stick at it. Man that's a lot of civil aviation traffic. Did I mention that it's civil? That means not military. Not us, no sir.

Please now allow us to drone on and on about the scientific basis for contrail production, yes we know this doesn't really answer your question about "Chemtrails", but it fills up a lot of space and makes us sound smarter than you. Drone..drone..drone..zzz......

Asleep yet? ...good... You didn't really expect us to tell you the truth about "Chemtrails" did you? Are you kidding? We spent so much money on this program, keeping it secret so we don't upset the populace, you didn't really think we would just tell you, some lowly congress person? ...ha ha...that's funny! Hell, I wouldn't even tell my own mother... you don't want to know the trouble I could get in to...but I digress, ahem...

In summary there is no such thing as "Chemtrails", they are safe and happy and normal little lines in the sky. We really enjoyed sending out this form letter again, and hope that we have lulled you back into your false sense of security.

Sincerely,

Ministry of Air Force Propaganda



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Nola30
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Tuscaloosa AL U.S.A.
41 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-16-2000 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nola30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thermit,
I think your version of the letter about sums it up. Nice to see that you have an OPEN mind

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JayReynolds
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posted 10-17-2000 10:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For about a year, many chemtrail believers bemoaned the fact that they got no attention, that government agencies just ignored them.
Actually, they did get some excellent responses, including action by the Congressional Research Service in May of 1999.
Ask yourself why this report appears on NO chemtrail website.

Well, put yourself in their shoes, they are public servants, it is very difficult to explain to yor employer that he has been mislead or does not understand what is fairly well understood by science, or that what they say is illogical, or that theysound wacko.
As a matter of fact, from some of the public threats i've seen over the past year or so, they might actually fear for their personal safety if what they have to say (the truth) doesn't satisfy the chemnoids.

So, in general, except for personal contacts, they seem to have avoided "press release' type statements. However, people like Clifford Carnicom have promoted use of automated spam programs so that they have been inundated with thousands of letters asking for response.

They have responded, I feel, as they should, especially the DOD, who have been accused more than anyone else.

I expect CDC and EPA will eventually follow suit. I noticed that CDC has a rumor page where they debunk the toilet spider and hepatitis in bananas, and the other plethora of internet legends,and predict they will be first. EPA, being run by a socialist can be expected to make minimal response, hey they get their paycheck either way, right?

I expect that commercial airlines that have recently been accused might have a different type of response, they may have legal staff, etc.

I have often wondered why the chemmies don't seem to have outreach efforts to doctors, meteorologists, or pilots, all of whom have relevant expertise in fields directly related to the subject. I feel the lack of concentrated effort at garnering support from those groups is due to the inner knowledge of the chemnoid belief system that puts on the back burner possible rejection by those with more specific knowledge that they are willing to seek.

In essence, they are scared to death to really put their claims up for scrutiny.

It is far easier to convince people to "get on the bandwagon", than to really prove their point, and I suppose when others are recruited, there is a feeling of "well, I must be right, if everyone else believes it too".............

and so the cycle continues, "a hoop that never ends"
it is:

"THE CIRCLE OF LIES"


Jay Reynolds

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-17-2000 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ask yourself why this report appears on NO chemtrail website.

If you've got an e-version of it, send it in and we might put it on the site somewhere. If there's only hardcopies then I guess that would answer your question...

So Jay, how did you get involved with that report anyway? One of it's sections is your's isn't it?

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JayReynolds
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posted 10-17-2000 02:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's mostly hard copy. Ask your congressamn to send you a copy, it was done in May, 1999.

In response to constituents, some congressman or senator asked them to research what was being said. The researcher that was assigned the job contacted me and asked permission to reprint my original article "Those mysterious lines in the sky" from march 1999 issue of Veritas newspaper.

I referred him to the publisher, William Cooper, who granted permission.

I also notifed the two existing e-mail lists
"contrail" and "contrailsightings" at which the subject was being discussedand told them that CRS was doing research on the subject and was going to include my work. William Thomas was a subscriber at one, as was Chuck Warren and many others. They chose to not submit anything at all. A few months after it's release, I recontacted the CRS researcher and asked if anyone had submitted evidence, he had not been contacted by anyone.
Here is my conclusion as of March, 1999, which still stands today:
"Conclusion

Contrail formation mechanisms are ordinary and contrails themselves
are increasing in number as a result of increased air traffic. Reports of
persistent contrails are within what is known to be naturally possible.
Contrail studies are underway which will increase our knowledge of
their causes, frequency, and effects. High altitude contrails are not
consistent with effective dispersal of chemical or biological agents. No
known toxic or harmful components have been proven to be in
JP-8+100 fuel. Ethylene dibromide is not a viable chemical warfare
agent when delivered through jet engine combustion. No medical
reports, material analysis, or documentable and confirmable evidence
has been presented which supports the hypothesis that chemical or
biological agents are currently being delivered or can be associated with
jet contrails. There is a threat to Americans from germ and chemical
warfare, and vigilance should be maintained. Speculation and rumor
without factual and specific information can only dull that vigilance.
Those with factual information have a moral obligation to publicize
those facts, but those who "cry wolf" are not acting in the best interest
of this nation. "

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Nola30
Senior Member

Tuscaloosa AL U.S.A.
41 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-17-2000 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nola30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mr.Reynolds
I ,for one, am so sick of your bureaucratic bull**** that I could just about blow chunks.If you think that we are all crazy , why do you continue to argue with us? You will never make me believe your bald faced lies.

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JayReynolds
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posted 10-17-2000 08:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, nola, I didn't say you were crazy, but maybe you can make a believer out of me:}

Actually I am shocked you seem angry when I discuss the issues. You mention "bald faced lies", but don't cite any. Care to let us in on the big secret(with proof that what I have said is a lie). Don't just cuss, show me the facts, m'am.
Jay Reynolds

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Nola30
Senior Member

Tuscaloosa AL U.S.A.
41 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-18-2000 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nola30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Mr. Reynolds ,
You have called everyone in here a liar. You have done so by debunking and denying any and all evidence that has been offered. Why are you so defensive about being called one? If you can't take it, then don't dish it out.
What cussing? **** could stand for anything. You know what they say about assuming
Stop whining and except the fact , that not everyone is brain-dead and blind.
See ya' but I wouldn't wanna be ya'

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