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Sore Throat
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736 posts, Sep 2000

posted 10-08-2000 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An interesting thread was begun at the "Intelligence & Security" board last June by a Colonel Ed White:
[link]www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb850181&TL=960591054[/link]

Nationwide aerial Spraying
Friday, 09-Jun-00 18:50:54

63.17.220.54 writes:
Well,what is the Chemtrail community up in arms about. These communities are getting more and more paranoid and fearful of what the government is "doing to them"..Someone needs to make a public statement that they will believe whether it is "enviornmental cleanup", "cloudseeding" or "mass innoculation" this paranioa needs to be defused before the assaults on the media and public protests begin. The various groups are beginning to unit and they collective outnumber the AIDS and gun control activists. I would not wish to see a lot of good people become labeled "kooks" or worse. Its time to throw them a cookie. Ed

Ed White
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Colonel Ed then goes on to make something of an admission that maybe, just maybe, the military screwed up bigtime in one of their programs:

"Look, we screwed, up the atmosphere, worse than you know. Some corrective meseaures such as new fuels, backfired."

by the way, ol Colonel Ed also said,

"SOMEONE in AUTHORITY must make a statement soon, or they will not believe anything."
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So then along come elvis, and in the "The Spotlight, Oct. 9, 2000 (Print Edition)" thread that he started,
[link]pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=3272.topic[/link]

Elvis floats the same explanation for ChemTrails,

"An extremely hazardous pesticide, ethylene dibromide, was banned by the US Environmental Protection Agency in 1983. But in 1991, the composition of jet fuel used by commercial and military jet aircraft in the U.S. was changed from JP4 to somewhat less flammable JP8. ETHYLENE DIBROMIDE IS A KEY COMPONENT OF JP8."

Now all this is coming after numerous debunkers, with Jay Reynolds in their lead, have categorically stated that there is no EDB used in jet fuel.

But then, The Rooster is gone, Colonel Ed got reassigned, and we're left with this latest revelation by elvis. When asked, he has been unwilling, or unable, to substantiate his claim with any documentation.

Am I the only one to believe that there will begin to be some form of "damage control" to explain that which is so obvious, but as usual, will be far from the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth.

Just when were those Congressional Investigations scheduled to begin?

I can't wait!

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theseeker
One moon circles

Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-08-2000 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elvis,...geez that sounds stupid....is just posting old chit....and most likely an internet junkie named vec...ooops !

Correct me if I'm wrong but if this chit is so hazardous, why did they use it in gasoline for all those years with no measureable related health risk ?

Well ?

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Sore Throat
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736 posts, Sep 2000

posted 10-08-2000 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You've nevber heard of MTBE seeker?

Still in our gas evem though virtually all believe it should be removed ASAP. The government can be very slow to respond when their "experts" are wrong. Loss of face.

You know about that, don't you seeker?

But to continue on with Colonel Ed and Elvis:

(since you've been banned at Carnicom, here's your chance to participate seeker...
got any EDB in jet fuel references?)

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"An extremely hazardous pesticide, ethylene dibromide, was banned by the US Environmental Protection Agency in 1983. But in 1991, the composition of jet fuel used by commercial and military jet aircraft in the U.S. was changed from JP4 to somewhat less flammable JP8. ETHYLENE DIBROMIDE IS A KEY COMPONENT OF JP8." elvis

Interesting elvis, apparently you didn't clear this statement with Jay Reynolds first. He of course is adamant that there is no EDB in jet fuel. I love to see you guys work out this "minor" discrepancy. Of course, that may be difficult to do, as apparently Reynolds has disappeared...split the scene...flown the coop (it was hot in the Ozarks this summer...ah fried chichen!).

And perhaps, as Colonel Ed White said, Reynolds was nothing but a waterboy for their operation, and waterboys are expendable once they've out lived their usefulness.
www.insidetheweb.com/mess...=961306016

You're not a "waterboy" are you Elvis? You present yourelf as educated and informed. Let's see YOUR sources on EDB in jet fuel. Maybe you're on to something... maybe.

For the record, here are some jet fuel references:

"Chemtrails - JP8 & EDB" www.sightings.com/general3/chemedb.htm

"SUBJECT: Public Release Statement on JP-8+100 Fuel" www.pr.afrl.af.mil/JP8plus100.html

"Jet Fuel Health & The Environment" -Chickie Deb & Deborah www.aircareintl.org/fuel.html

"Pollution's personal impact" www.capecodonline.com/base/cancer.htm

"JP-8+100 and Ethylene dibromide

The jet fuel additive +100 was developed at the Dayton University Research Institute [16] to improve combustion and reduce maintenance of military aircraft. Dr. Steve Zabarnick, Ph.D., one of the developers, wrote

“JP-8+100 is composed of three components; an antioxidant, a metal deactivator, and a dispersant. The antioxidant and metal deactivator species are common components that have been present in jet fuels, gasolines, and other petroleum products for many decades. The dispersant is a proprietary formulation of BetzDearborn HPG Inc. Ethylene dibromide is NOT a component of this package and, as far as I know, has never been used in jet fuel.” (07)
www.proactivenews.com/special.html#tag2
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I'd be happy to look over your references elvis, and since you're so careful about checking your sources before making such statements, this could really be a breakthrough.

So come on elvis, lay all your cards on the table.

I call your hand.

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Nola30
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Tuscaloosa AL U.S.A.
41 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-08-2000 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nola30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sore Throat, I have a question for you. Could it be possible that they are also putting something in our fuel supply to cause it to burn faster, so we'll buy more? I believe this may be so. My car seems to be using more fuel- since the prices have sky-rocketed. I have taken my car to two different garages to have it checked out because of this increased gas usage. They both told me my car is fine. It does not seem to have anything wrong, IT IS JUST USING MORE GAS.I had a tune-up done anyway, and it is still using more gas than normal. I haven't been putting on any more miles than normal. Just wondering, it seems that these days anything is possible. Has anyone else noticed this?

P.S. I didn't mean to interupt or change the subject

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Thermit
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Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-08-2000 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

1. log tempature, wind direction in relationship to comtrails, solar activity , then in about 3-5 day check with emergency rooms for an increase in psuedo-flu and death among the elderly and very young of pnuemonia. the presense of WHO staff usualy is evident.


quote:

Ed,

Thanks for writing in.

Do you think Chemtrails have something to do with solar activity?

What do you know about WHO being at US hospitals?

Are you really a Colonel?


quote:

when I was first made aware of the weird clouds, Every single child who was with me that day developes a red rash the next day,then in several days a sinus infection which turned into psuedo-pnuemonia. I thought it odd,that the hospital; brought in five visiting specialist who happened to be in town and happened to be who and cdc.I got curious.checked with other parents, got similiar stories we have about thirty different hospitals,the odds? Then came the overloaded emergency room ,the 1880 got flu numbers. I have Yet to get an answer, i chart the contrails,hospital admissions,weather, solar activity lookinh for something that makes sense. Solar activity has beenbizarre to say the least. I do know its not regular air force, I do knowit makes people sick,and often kills the old and the sick. I do know that there is i secrecy lid on the that makes MENA look like an open house. I do Know that it has hurt my family and I WILL FIND OUT WHY>.


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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-08-2000 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know who this col. Ed is but he has obviously participated in the LSD experiments back in the 60's.....

All this sick crap is due to greens and similar ORGS that want to have us all riding horses to work .

In and around airport locally , certainly there is a chance of some respiratory distress, but not out in bfe.....

Anyone ever ask the colonel if he was really in the military ???

Or if he was a paid dis-mis-information agent ???

Probably not....everyone just sucks this stuff in ....

meow

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goldrush
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No, Calif. USA
109 posts, Sep 2000

posted 10-08-2000 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goldrush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you guys are so hard worn on believing etheline dibromide is in jet fuel, just go to various airports and buy some fuel and get it tested. What is so difficult about that? Have jet vill travel. Good old diesel is fine.

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Thermit
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Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-09-2000 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMHO jet fuel is irrelavant to the Chemtrail discussion. It doesn't matter what's in it, what's not, it doesn't have anything to do with the trails.

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goldrush
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No, Calif. USA
109 posts, Sep 2000

posted 10-09-2000 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goldrush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If jet fuel is not the problem, then why do jets get the blame for contrails which persist and scare people who read the chemtrail propaganda? Who then is still claiming that JP-8 and ethelene dibromide are being dispensed on a mass basis? Are the observations of persistent contrails and the permutations thereof, the only basis for creating a non-profit organization with media types fanning an insecure, blame seeking, and health worn group of people into becoming a fan club? There are no sunglasses that can be sold that can match the effect of the blinders worn by the faithful. I only hope the essence of free thought will allow some to venture forth and examine the evidence which pre-exists the genesis of those who first claimed the stories of contrails "being spraying". What can I offer, except a challenge to thought? I have met an ardent believer, who I now offer to contact me for use of a private jet contingent upon expenses for fuel and possibly but not necessarily pilot expense. I am not owner of it, but in the forthcoming months it will be flying and arrangements might be made to do pix, air samples, whatever. Wouldn't it be interesting to have results which agree with ones' claims? A small bit of aviation weather knowledge would be necessary. Read up. To whom it might concern.....

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elvis lives
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Pismo Beach, California
143 posts, Sep 2000

posted 10-10-2000 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for elvis lives     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look closely at the URL below. Allow plenty of time for it to load.
http://www.astro.ku.dk/~holger/IDA/S/choise.html

As you watch this slide show unfold, you will see a multitude of grid type contrails photographed by people all over the world. Many look exactly like the pictures throughout the internet labeled "chemtrails". That slide show answered a lot of questions for me, as the one thing I have always wondered about was how and why those grids were forming. Now I know.

I have read the Spotlight article many times. I believe the majority of the things discussed in that article could be taking place in our skies, but I have a hard time with the commercial airlines spray plane theory. They say a picture is worth a thousand words.

I believe the Air Force when they tell Congress, on paper, that they are not involved with any pre-conceived aerial spraying of chemicals on the populace.

The barium salt and polymer fiber issues have merit. It is very possible they miscalculated the fact that the fallout would make it to earth. I also believe there is weather manipulation testing in progress.

Commercial air travel is growing at an uncontrolled pace. The military is involved in massive testing of existing and newly developed aircraft. They must spend billions and billions annually to support Department of Defense contractors or the stock market will crash and we will sink into a recession of mass proportions.

Global air pollution from industry, automobiles, and aviation is out of control, and getting worse every day. Cases of asthma and upper respiratory disease have quadrupled in the last 5 years.

The Government and the Military will continue to do as they see fit. No one person or group of people can change that. The global issues are extremely complicated and complex. Our only hope is that the love of their children, and their grandchildren, will force those in charge to make calculated decisions that prolong life on earth as we know it.


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Thermit
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Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-10-2000 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have met an ardent believer, who I now offer to contact me for use of a private jet contingent upon expenses for fuel and possibly but not necessarily pilot expense. I am not owner of it, but in the forthcoming months it will be flying and arrangements might be made to do pix, air samples, whatever. Wouldn't it be interesting to have results which agree with ones' claims? A small bit of aviation weather knowledge would be necessary. Read up. To whom it might concern.....

I support such an experiment, although the logistics and equipment may be problematic. To take samples, specialized equipment that can withstand and function at jet speeds is required. Also, the other main issue may be legal: don't think the FAA (or mil) will be too happy about a plane entering an airspace (temporarily) restricted to military operations. Even though you may not subscribe to the Chemtrail theory, there is no point in sampling any old contrail. It needs to be a real Chemtrail. You're gonna need that 'believer' to help you find it.

They are easy to see in Houston, all you have to do is wait till one of the days when the spraying starts, oh, about 11:00, and then when you see the large man-made cloud hanging over the center of the city around 6:00 with a few 'trails sticking out, that will be what to sample. No need to check the Skew-T, atmospheric conditions are irrelevant, all it takes is a flick of the spray-switch and you've got the necessary conditions for Chemtrails.

[Edited 4 times, lastly by Thermit on 10-17-2000]

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goldrush
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109 posts, Sep 2000

posted 10-10-2000 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goldrush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That reply speaks enormously of for the cult-like logic that will continually avoid facing an opportunity to determine what is or isn't. Were results ever produced of the flights supposedly funded and done by "believers" in Boulder? Why not? I guess the most difficult task is not flying through contrails, but finding ANY pilot that qualifies as a believer, and has the certification to fly the right type of aircraft, to collect what you want to be analyzed. Ph strips? or even simple filters could be taped on a surface. Air conditioning filters can be tested before and after. No specific need for the electronic stuff, unless something is found for extra study. A control comparison is not unusual anyway. But that is not the way it is done in the " believers " way. oh well.

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Thermit
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2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-11-2000 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got me wrong, I don't want to avoid the evidence. The challenges of a mission must be acknowledged if it is to succeed and bring back meaningful evidence, and I hope it does.

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