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Sore Throat
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posted 10-19-2000 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Center for Disease Control maintains a weekly surveillance report for influenza between October and May each year. As part of these reports there are charts of deaths from pneumonia and influenza each week.

Here is a chart from the last report in May:
www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/flu/weeklyarchives/bigpi20.htm

This is from the first weeks report when the program resumed this October:
www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/flu/weeklyarchives/bigpi40.htm

You will note the following:

1. The CDC has raised the levels for baseline and epidemic thresholds.

2. The quality of the charts has been degraded significantly...the newer charts being of much poorer quality and resolution.

3. The actual incident data has been changed in May for 2000, reducing previously reported incidence.

Given the widespread occurance of "Influenza-like illness" ILI, it is interesting how the CDC, the GOVERNMENT AGENCY charged with protecting the health of the US population, has chosen to address the issue.

What a disgrace!

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-19-2000 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know throat what you need is that time machine that was talked about on coast to coast...so you could go back to when the air was polluted by the smell of animals and indians burning wood ...

sniff...ahhhh...

Nothing like the smell of smoke and methane gas...eh ?

It's time for one of your loved one's to 'check you in'.....

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JayReynolds
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posted 10-20-2000 08:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Throat, what did the CDC tell you when you contacted them about your claim?

BTW, it's been a year since I recommended that you contact the NRVSS doctors in your area and consult with them regarding your concerns. You know the ones, right there in SanFrancisco, right? The ones who breathe the same air you do, right? There must be hundreds of such doctors across the nation.
Are you saying they are all in on some big conspiracy? Now, isn't it reasonablle to think that someone concerned about this, like yourself, would be publicly contacting doctors and presenting your evidence for their evaluation? Why have you never done this? What is the purpose of preaching to the choir here when the ultimate prize is development of a coalition of real doctors who might be convinced that you are correct?

For the benfit of those new, Throat has been doing this CDC influenza "thing" for a long time, but is actually either too scared to talk to a real doctor, or at least to admit that they all, without exception, reject his idea.
I repeat the challenge to throat, cite one real doctor who can be confirmed as beingin the least suspicious or who has seen your idea and finds it even possible.

We await your evidence.
Jay Reynolds

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Nola30
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Tuscaloosa AL U.S.A.
41 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-20-2000 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nola30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Throat,
Pay no mind to them. They are obviously unaware of how many times the U.S. Government has knowingly harmed it's own citizens for the sake of their "top secret" projects. People who trust and defend a Government they really know nothing about are stupid anyway. The Government tells only what it has to anyway. If you guys think you know the whole truth or even a tiny fragment of the truth , you are dumber than you sound. At least Throat has the balls to say what's really on his mind!!!!!

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LTC8K6
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267 posts, Oct 2000

posted 10-20-2000 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LTC8K6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aren't you tired of that song yet, Throat?

Are all of the doctors on the NWO's payroll?

I'm still not even slightly concerned about contrails, or chemtrails if you like to call them that. What's in a name?

Brand new C17 out of Pope, leaving a gorgeous contrail from horizon to horizon.
Absolutely beautiful. Just like when I was a kid. Takes me right back. Thanks guys.

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Sore Throat
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posted 10-20-2000 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Notice that The Rooster won't address the FACTS of my post.

Are there differences between the mortality charts I posted? You bet!

Have they raised the baseline and epidemic threshold? They sure did, across the board despite the fact that the reporting changes that they are attempting to "compensate for" only went into effect before the 1999-2000 reporting season. Why run these increased thresholds back through previous years?

You won't get an admission from the Rooster that this is at least a significant error on the part of the CDC. There is no way he will acknowledge a coverup or duplicity on the part of the CDC.

The Rooster struts and crows, but won't acknowledge facts.

He also has no idea who I speak to.

So have at it Reynolds. Does your critical eye allow you to see the error in the presentation of the CDC mortality data?

We're watching.

Blow some of that bad breath on this.

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JayReynolds
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posted 10-20-2000 08:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So now you are willing to complain about the reporting changes you tried to ignore last year, throat? You think I don't remember?

Maybe you don't remember the nice nurse who began last year believeing in chemtrails, but who eventually became so disgusted with you calling her profession fools, and ignoring the fact that "epidemic levels" occur normally, that the reporting changes had occurred, that demographics and even AIDS has affected the deaths due to pneumonia?

Yes, she eventually became so disgusted with your pitiful attempts at snipping facts from references because they didn't agree with your contention that she quit and has never returned.

Throat, ever wonder why most people don't jump when you speak? It's because you have about three seasonal tunes that you play,
Fall&winter- CDC coverup, epidemic illness
spring- shiptracks are massive "spraying" in the Pacific
summer- contrails ARE NOT NORMAL IN THE SUMMER

Get some new material, throat, all your old stuff has been debunked so many times it's pitiful.

People are bored with it, and so am I with you.

I see no error in the CDC data. If you believe so, convince even one doctor to stand with you on this "coverup". I understand the first is the hardest, so get cracking.

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Sore Throat
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posted 10-20-2000 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me lead you by the nose (err, beak) through this Rooster.

"Prior to the 1999-2000 season, a new case definition for a P&I death was introduced in the 122 Cities Mortality Reporting System. It was recognized that one potential effect of using this case definition was to increase P&I mortality measurement levels in comparison to previous seasons. During the summer of 2000, the P&I mortality data were analyzed to determine if the modified case definition had affected mortality estimates. On the basis of this analysis, we estimate that there was an approximately 0.8% upward shift in 1999-2000 mortality estimates. The 0.8% shift did not represent a true increase in mortality. To adjust for this upward shift in mortality estimates, the 122 cities P&I mortality baseline and epidemic threshold for the 2000-01 season have been adjusted upward as well."
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/flu/weekly.htm

Note: Since the "reporting changes" went into effect only before the 1999-2000 flu season, the 0.8% increase in the Seasonal Baseline and Epidemic Levels should only have been from that point forward. As even a child (but perhaps not a Rooster) could plainly see, this elevation of baseline levels have been extended back through the 1997, 1998, 1999 seasonal data, WHICH IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE!!!!

I don't expect Reynolds to confess that he is wrong on this issue (at least Kunz had that degree of personal integrity), but it should be obvious to unbiased observers.

Roosters only crow.

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JayReynolds
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posted 10-21-2000 09:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can nitpick about how something is charted all you like, throat. However,
the fact remains that complaining about it on an obscure messageboard mostly read by chemtrail believers will do little to get them to change what you believe is in error.

Perhaps you feel that your claim that these figures are "doctored" proves "chemtrails", or that some disease is being "sprayed"?

Well you couldn't be more wrong.

Perhaps you feel this makes you the 'big-man' you always hoped to be but never could become?

So, what are you going to do with this idea of yours?

I predict you will copy-and-paste it to about five messageboards where you hope your fellow believers will be grateful for your "excellent research", whereupon you will feel better about yourself. It will become part of the "chemtrail legend" and will be repeated amongst the flock- baaaa-baaaa-baaa.

However, it will never be bought by real doctors, you will never develop the speculation past that point, and nothing will ever come of it beyond that.

The reason is that you fear actually promoting your idea outside of the clique, it risks rejection, it risks exposure of your foolishness for believing that communicable diseases need to be spread by airplanes from 6 miles high.

But don't let my thoughts on the matter urge you into inaction, dear throatee, prove me wrong. Contact some real doctors. Contact the CDC. Contact the NRVSS lab in your area, nationwide for that matter.

Show us some action, do something with your idea, go ahead, surely there must be at least one honest doctor out there that is not "in on the secret and part of the conspiracy", knock yourself out, put Jay Reynolds right in his place if you will.

For how could I argue with an extensive coalition of doctors who are fully informed that the CDC is engaged in a massive coverup of 0.8% of all deaths prior to 1999 due to P&I mortality? Who knows, you may even receive the Nobel Prize for your service to humanity!

Today, October 21, 1999, I predict nothing will ever be done by Throat, he will never actually find even one doctor that supports his idea, and will never show us how he will be rejected by all doctors he encounters.

He simply hasn't the guts.
It won't happen.
I read him like an open book.

Jay Reynolds

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Sore Throat
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posted 10-21-2000 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"nitpick"

The data presentation is either correct or flawed. We're dealing with deaths. Amazing how easily The Rooster crows that this is inconsequential.

The ChemTrail coverup will be exposed.

There will be a day of reckoning.

There will be accountability.

Our respective roles will be a matter of public record.

I'll be able to live with mine.

We'll see about the infamous, "All In Normal" Jay Reynolds.

Time will tell.

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Sore Throat
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posted 10-21-2000 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot, Reynolds' place in the history of this issue has already been aptly described by one of his own peers, Colonel Ed White.

Colonel White reminded us that Reynolds is a mere WATERBOY!
http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb850181&MyNum=96189026 6&P=Yes&TL=961306016

I wonder if ol Colonel Ed has ever spoken with Lt. Col Den Ardinger, retired USAF and 29 years experience, including squadron commander of a KC-135E unit?

http://www.rense.com/general4/ret.htm

So just what experience do you have Rooster to refute the experience of Colonel Ardinger?

Probably an unfair question to a "WATERBOY"!

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Sore Throat on 10-22-2000]

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JayReynolds
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posted 10-21-2000 02:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, who can say if the mysterious Col. Ed exists, I asked him for credentials, he would not respond.

As for the Rense pictures, I believe that whole thing is a hoax by the Beaver County Militia.

The photos look like normal contrails and cirrus. I also liked what Amy Hebert had to say about it.

Of course, just what we need for "proof", more contrail pictures.

Still waiting on those hundreds of photos from William Thomas "clearly showing" KC-135's spraying out the tailbooms.

Gosh, when did he say he had those, wasn't it back in April of 1999?

How will it sound next year when we are still waiting for throatie's airplane cabin filter analysis?

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Sore Throat
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posted 10-22-2000 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Today, October 21, 1999, I predict nothing will ever be done by Throat, he will never actually find even one doctor that supports his idea, and will never show us how he will be rejected by all doctors he encounters."

Well Rooster, you finally got the month right, but you're stuck in the past century...in more ways than one.

You seem to be rather rattled Reynolds.

...or is it just a function of being "Clueless in the Ozarks?"

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-22-2000 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Throat , think back don't you remember that exact wording posted elsewhere...say LAST YEAR !

the statement is as true today as it was back then....

your unbelievable...literally

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Sore Throat
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posted 10-22-2000 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a loyal minion you are Seeker. Always there to suck up like a lapdog, to do your master's bidding.

If every there was an obsequious "WATERBOY"
... you take the cake.

After two repetitive failures, maybe today The Rooster will jump up on that barnyard fence, fluff his feathers and crow out yet another of his predictions and actually get the date right.

...maybe,

...but I'm not making any predictions.

He seems quite flustered at the moment.

Nice of you to rush to his rescue Seeker.

If you sit up and pant you might even get some table scraps.

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-22-2000 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Throat,

anytime I can point out what a stinking liberal, communist, green hump you are,I will....

BTW, my master would be God...something I'm sure your liberal ass does not belive in....only chemtrails is your God right throat....

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T/S

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JayReynolds
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posted 10-22-2000 01:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I predict that by the end of next year, 2101, only sore throatee will be left muttering to himself,
"CDC, it's a coverup, CDC, it's a coverup".

This activity will take place during all his waking hours in the far corner of the dayroom at the psychiatric ward of a hospital in the San Francisco Bay area. He will never recover his sanity and will become a burden on his family, who can no longer deal with his paranoid delusional behavior.

By that date, almost all others presently involved with the controversy will be doing their best to forget their former belief in "chemtrails" and claiming to have been skeptical of the idea all along.

All except the one who goes by the name "Mark Sky". Egged on by promoters such as his best buddy "Sore Throatie", "Mark Sky" will commit suicide next year, firmly convinced that aliens are causing complete cloud cover over the Pacific Ocean to obscure their massive operations designed to change the DNA of all life forms in the Pacific northwest to reptilians.Also Mark Sky believes they are causing massive dieoffs of bracken to which they are allergic, and intend to kill all amphibian life forms, especially the froggies, whom the reptilians consider their only real competition on this planet.

"Mark Sky" will leave a suicide message which will be found next to his body by Josephine County Sheriff's deputies in the Kalmiopsis Wilderness Area in which he says he has been forced to do end his life rather than surrender to the reptoid shape-shifters, who include the Queen of England, Henry Kissinger, and Mick Jagger of The Rolling Stones.

Clifford Carnicom will retreat into his desert redoubt, securely barricaded against the hordes of people trying to get back at him for his deceptions.

Jeff Rense will find another subject to hype.
His fans will quickly forget how he hyped chemtrails, because they actually believed it, too, plus they'll be wrapped up in something new.

William Thomas will never find employment as a journalist again, having ruined his reputation and those of many others, he will be forced to eke out a living scraping barnacles from fishing boats in a greasy shipyard. He will continue to be estranged from his military family in the US, to whom he has become a MAJOR embarrassment.

Contrails will continue to be seen as before, and increase at least at the 7%/annum rate. Some will be persistent, and 99% of the people in the world will never notice them.

These are more of my predictions.

Jay Reynolds

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Nola30
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Tuscaloosa AL U.S.A.
41 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-22-2000 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nola30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeker,
Just because someone disagree's with you doesn't make them an atheist or a communist. You have really shown your true color's and it is not very pretty. As for Reynolds, everyone knows he's a fake and a fraud. If I were you I would distance myself from him, unless you want to go down with his sinking ship. Your comment's to Throat were mean and uncalled for. I think you ought to be ashamed of yourself. But since when did my opinon ever count to you? If this is what this board has become, I don't know if I will keep coming here. This is just another place for people to go at each others throat's . I see enough of that in the real world, I don't need to see it on a damn computer screen.

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Thermit
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posted 10-22-2000 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

I predict that by the end of next year, 2101...

I too think that this Chemtrail thing will be wrapped up in the next hundred years...

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Sore Throat
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posted 10-22-2000 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thermit,

You see why I wouldn't make any predictions about The Rooster, Jay Reynolds, coming out of his self-absorbed delirium to manage to get a date right.

What a laugh!

The only thing more amusing is watching Seeker rush to his rescue.

By the way, Three Strikes and You're Out Rooster!

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 10-22-2000 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nola,

I have no quarrel with you and certainly don't remember addressing you the same way I do sore hump......

To me you have 2 main types of people involved here those who are interested in new info and curious, and those who run off rampantly at the mouth with no regard for facts, Sore hump has time after time used other peoples info to continue his mis-interpetation of the facts, he also taken information and left out key parts of text that would discredit the theme that he wishes to purport, that nola is the "true" definition of a "dis-information" agent.

Sorry Nola if you don't like what I say, he hasn't said much good about me either, but I post what I post...warts and all....

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T/S

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JayReynolds
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posted 10-22-2000 08:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I profoundly predict that in twenty years, by January 1st, 2200, no one will ever remember either contrails or chemtrails.
They might be discussed in obscure history texts or those related to the aberrance of human behavior. In those books, I will be the only one whose name anyone recalls. They will say, "He was rude, but he was right".

I sincerely predict these things, but am not an oracle, seer, or sage, but merely a man.

Jay Reynolds

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Sore Throat
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posted 10-22-2000 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I profoundly predict that in twenty years, by January 1st, 2200, no one will ever remember either contrails or chemtrails." Jay Reynolds

Have you ever read Kurt Vonnegut's "Slaughter House 5" Rooster?

The protagonist of this novel was named Billy Pilgrim who became unstuck in time.

Any relation? You seem to have a real problem with dates? Need a calendar, or is this just a George W. form of dyslexia?

You just keep those predictions coming though.

Sooner or later you may get a date right...

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Nola30
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posted 10-24-2000 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nola30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeker,
I won't apologize for having feelings. It seems that most people posting here only have feelings of hatred and sarcasm. I, for one, am a tender heart . If you guys can't be rational , what's the point? Aren't we all adults here?

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My father was making the contrails over Dresden, Throatee. He sees nothing different except the planes are bigger and instead of flights of 1000 B-17s, we now have 6000 commercial planes in the air all day long.
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Ode to "Throatee"
Throatee, my little stuppa, the pool-pa is coming for all your bad-bad foma. The duffle you believers have set up is busy-busy-busy, but I no de trut'. You granfaloon gwine be gon' soon.
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Uncle Jay-Jay Calypsomon

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