posted 10-25-2000 03:05 PM            

When you are a guest in someone's house it is rude to talk more than them. Jay Reynolds, you have become tiresome. As the host, I am asking you politely, to scale your postings back.

posted 10-25-2000 10:40 PM            

I don't think it is fair to just separate people into catagories.....isn't that discrimination ? How about number on the rest of you ?

I also think that ltc is right and jay has been asked quite a few questions....

The knee-jerk reaction of an alcoholic is to deny the addiction....

I also believe the same to be involved when some experience knowledge that they were not aware of and immediately feel inferior...causing some to lash out at this new knowledge.....(not pointing fingers)

If some cannot handle the truth, or facts, well I think thats where we get our problem, although it may show on this board, it is also a society thang.....

It still baffles me why some take things so seriously.......

These are just words and it is you that put meaning to them......

I like this board thermit,and you have shown to be a reasonable webmaster, but the first banned individual (other than vec) and I will leave too...

My idealism is more important than my curiosity...

posted 10-25-2000 11:32 PM            

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I don't think it is fair to just separate people into catagories

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What categories?
It's just numbers, I oughta have the highest ratio dangit! been postin' since damn day 1. I'm jealous of this new kid on the block tryin' to get bizzy in ma' shit.

But on the positive tip Jay has made a few very decent posts, IMVHO. A few less timewarp prognostications would be cool...

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Now, I really wish that people could act like adults, use politeness, common decency, moderation, respect, irregardless of their respective opinion on the subject at hand.

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but the first banned individual...

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I have no desire to ban anybody.

Seeker, let me ask you this: "Say you built a house though your own effort and funds, then you invite some guests to stay, but one of them kept crapping on the floor. Would you just clean it up and apologize to the other guests, or would you kick the one out?"

posted 10-26-2000 12:02 AM            

Now that's a tuffy...

Here's what I would do since you asked...I would insist, that crapping on the floor isn't what goes on in my house, then hand them the broom....if they continued I would whoop their a**....

Now, jay is not crapping on the floor, and like I said don't see much wrong here myself...so what you might do is plainly state on the front on the BB, your criteria for posting...just a suggestion...

I must admit, I like to have fun with sore hump..I mean throat...I try to treat all with respect,but we all have our sides of the truth, yours, mine and the truth and sometimes it does get out of hand, I haven't seen anything other than cy's "reynolds is a fraud" thing that even slightly bugged me....

Tell ya' what , all posters' here go to CNN's online political chat room,post a few ideas , makes this look like heaven...

posted 10-26-2000 09:12 AM            

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where are my "standings" in your analysis?

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The 'numbers' are all derivable from the Member List page...

posted 10-26-2000 11:12 PM            

Now this is not my idea mind you, but suppose there were a separate de-bunkers section? We could call it the Debunker crap-on-the-floor room (if you will). But let me just ask you de-bunkers...seriously, would this idea work? Would you guys stay in your corner and let the people who wanted to seriously talk about their chemtrail sightings, observations and theories go un-harassed? Then, if someone wanted to know what the de-bunkers were thinking, they could go over there of their own free will.

Now here's my opinion for this idea: I don't think it would work. If it would work, Jay would still have his site up and running and all the people who wanted to de-bunk would go over there and pat themselves on the back saying how right they are. Problem is, people that have actual observations of anomolous occurences and serious questions if we are in fact being sprayed, do not seek out de-bunkers. De-bunkers, instead feel the need to seek out them and explain to them what their lying eyes are telling them!

I believe that there are far more deep-seated psychological reasons in the mind of the de-bunker that motivate them to do this, and it has nothing to do with the search for the truth. They are obviously not satisfied with themselves. They must convince the world to think their way (whatever that way may be) for them to feel fulfilled. But who are they convincing really?? My best estimate here is ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE!! Pretty soon they will only succeed in driving away all the people who want to sincerely discuss their observations of chemtrails, and then there will be nobody around but the de-bunkers, patting themselves on the back......Then who will they have around to convince? Get out the Depends, now that I think about it, Christy's right, it may be the only thing that works with these guys.

posted 10-27-2000 12:12 AM            

Segregation? (sp)

If you would pay attention cy, it clearly says "chemtrail and related" ANYTHING GOES !

I don't know what is worse your whining or the elvi......

Guess you missed canex's explanation of "ice crystals"..and why contrails persist....

meow

posted 10-27-2000 12:34 AM            

And NO, I did not catch canex's explanation, was I supposed to? Did you hold a de-bunker's meeting and you're telling me I wasn't invited?....I believe we were referring to my conversation with Jay, not canex, so that is irrelevant anyway.

Now your reference to segregation is a bit melodramatic don't you think? I've got news for you,.... this ain't no democracy (or even a republic here). This is the kingdom of Thermit, and although he has ruled with nobility and with great tolerance and patience, to this point...if he were to boot your sorry hindee, I think you'll be the biggest whiner of the bunch. Stop it man...your hurtin’ my ears, you sound like a nervous cat sliding down a chalkboard...

So take my advise, grab some Depends, and stop the segregation/whining BS...Control yourself man, get some dignity and be an example for your kids to look up to.

Hissssssss'

posted 10-27-2000 01:12 AM            

Now Thermit did say play sweet kidz play....

Now cy if you post questions and people answer them I think it is proper to read the responses...

Your question's were answered by canex here this evening...all but #3 and that is not a meteorological question....

Right here baby :

The serrated edge effect is a fairly common phenomenon in contrails. When there is not very strong crosswind, the contrail can set up a series of convective cells in which there is alternating series of up and down motions. The up motions feed the contrail with new moist rising air that condenses/freezes onto some of the original crystals formed initially in the contrail. some of the crystals grow and fall producing a short fall streak, the "teeth", of the serration. Thus, you get a serrated edge effect, the clear air rising into the contrail where it feeds the crystal formation. Usually you expect the rising air to form clouds and the sinking air to be clear. But in this case, the sinking air is full of precipitating crystals and the rising air is clear until reaches the contrail height. evenetuall, diffusion, and crosswinds mix up all of this organized cellular structure until the contrail dissipates (less moist air) or spreads into an amorphous cloud (more moist air). If i am too technical on these posts, let me know.

Picture this cy, algore recieting your questions...

you have been doing some goreisms lately...

enjoy :

>1.You haven't explained to any satisfaction yet how chemtrails can form in conditions that do not allow their formation.

2.Why we have never seen such massive displays of voluminous "persistent contrail" filled skies in the past (at least in my memory). What about your memory?

3.You haven't explained possible engine designs that maybe could account for these formations, (that I have seen on this board, anyway). You have my own detailed opinion regarding high by-pass jet engines for example....but I haven’t seen yours.

4. Why do the precise stop and start dashed "contrails" (that I have seen with my own eyes) occur.. Have you told us yet?

5. What about the low-altitude formations that occur in temperature, pressure, and relative humidity conditions that would make natural formations impossible? Have you explained this yet?

6. Have you explained the multi-color oilslick displays, and how its possible for the opaque ice crystals found in natural formations to refract light, as a liquid substance would?

7. Have you responded cogently to my own personal comments of witnessing a chemtrail descend to groundlevel? I don't remember you de-bunking me on this point yet.

posted 10-27-2000 02:28 AM            

Seeker, Look what you've gone and done. Here I was in the middle of listening to a Rush replay with my parrot (my only peace of the whole day), and you make me have to go and waste my time with a response....I must have really touched a nerve when you couldn't answer my questions on C&CO...Now you've got everyone here to do it for you...is that it? Keep in mind, as I keep saying, you are the one asking these questions by the fact of posting them here, not me. You took them out of context from the discussion we were having on that board. But never-the-less, I'll respond anyway:

First read canex's post again. It seems to me he is discussing the causes for virga effects seen in natural contrails. There is nothing here I disagree with. Who said there was?

But that doesn't mean he or you have yet answered my first question: He seems to be explaining how ice crystals can form in conditions favorable for their formation.....Who said I was ever saying that CHEMtrails are composed of ice crystals? My point was that contrails which form in conditions not favorable for natural contrail formation is a good indication that we are not looking at natural contrails!

Question #2 was not even addressed by canex there in your repost.

Question #3, as you say, was not even addressed, but it is extremely relevant to the issue.

Question #4 could be marginally explained by rising convective currents, but cannex does not overtly make that argument in this post. Again he seems to be talking about conditions that cause virga effects. Canex does talk about diffusion effects of crosswind currents, which would seem to be another enhancement of my point. Airmasses do mix, but in the cutoff trails we see precision straight-edge cut offs. Properties of air do not differ this severely in nature...especially like in the extreme example of Christy's photo. I have also watched a sprayplane directly overhead cut off his contrail with the same straight-edge precision. One second it was coming from the back of the plane...next second it was not, leaving a precisely stright-edge cutoff trail behind it. So no, you or canex did not address this question yet, or at least to the point of anything approaching an explanation. The best explanation so far, is that the damn plane was spraying something!

Question #5: This question relates to number one. If contrails are forming in the same altitudes in which we see liquid moisture (ie. fair weather cumulous)....then odds are, we aren't looking at contrails...because contrails are only composed of ice crystals...NOT liquid water droplets.

Question #6. The point here is that opaque ice crystals do not refract light in the same sense that liquid water droplets refract and break apart light into its respective wave lengths as a prism does. If we see a rainbow effect in a contrail, odds are we are looking at the effect of refraction of light through liquid water droplets. Now a petrochemical, depending on the type of chemical, can remain liquid at very low temperatures and therefore refract light with similar properties of a liquid water droplet. In either case, odds are we are not looking at a normal contrail because, again, normal contrails are composed of ice crystals...which have different refractive properties than water droplets. I've already answered this question Seeker....but look here, you made me repeat myself. I hate that when I'm trying to listen to Rush.

Question #7. Canex doesn't even address this question in your repost.

Stop smoking that stuff Seeker, it's bad for your health and makes you sweat.

posted 10-27-2000 02:45 AM            

Assumption after assumption....

I don't smoke what you insinuate and I said in my post over there I would not address comments from anyone who is not serious....

You can't be serious ! LOl !

I could just hear gore doing your questions....and adding "i'll do something about it"...Lol !

If I'm a hump cy, you are a knob !

I should have saved this one for you cy ...ack !

posted 10-27-2000 03:41 AM            

If you want to get into politics (and some might find that picture of Clinton quite arousing, by the way) You'll notice that conservative Republicans, answer questions directly.

Notice how I responded to every point in your last post. I should also point out that every point you seem to be making, was from my own post and that of canex, and none by yourself, using your own thought process. I notice, you don’t seem to have the capacity to place a lucid thought of your own on these boards. You always post what other people are saying, and how others respond to questions that you yourself seem to have no answers for. What does this say about you Seeker?

You, my friend are doing exactly what liberals do when backed into a corner, and I hate to see it happen to a fellow Republican. You know you can't beat me on subject matter, logical reasoning, or the issue itself, so you respond with name-calling, "goreisms" for example. Well we all know what Gore does...he makes up stories. If you're going to make the accusation Seeker, then please point out where you think I've made anything up here. I simply responded line for line to Canex's post.

"Good heaven's you must be don's brother....

What the hell does this mean and, who is Don?

"Assumption after assumption...."

What assumptions? The only assumption that I made here was that you were smoking something, and from the jumbled, haphazard, irrational non-responsive looks of your comments, I'm beginning to think I'm on to something.

You can't be serious ! LOl !

About what?...you ambiguous hump....I am serious and who are you calling lol?

posted 10-27-2000 02:07 PM            

You posed questions on christy's board I didn't feel I needed to answer them, have done that toooo many times before...so if you remember I ask you to post them here and let others take a shot at them...remember now ? you said if you want to find them post them...

So I did post them here as you agreed , and now you say I recruited others to answer them for me ????...Colors in clouds of water droplets are rainbows colors in clouds of ice are sundogs, halos etc.....you need some sleep cy....

>You know you can't beat me on subject matter, logical reasoning, or the issue itself, so you respond with name-calling, "goreisms" for example.<

I have not tried to beat you at subject matter....mainly as a "believer" you have no subject matter only assumption,that's all you got.....you reject carnicom & w.thomas who are the only one's doing so-called research....so what you have left is an educated guess....an assumption.....

People do not get sick from contrails ,(one more time) the only way what is up there gets down here is by rain, snow, etc....

>Well we all know what Gore does...he makes up stories. <

Like chemtrails ?

LoL

Btw, was it the new geddy lee you were listening to ?

G'day

posted 10-27-2000 02:32 PM            

I didn't think you would just let my last post rest....I knew you'd have to take your shot, defend your honor and self-respect...fair enough.

posted 10-27-2000 02:44 PM            

Believe it or not cy, but out here in the sticks people do just walk or drive right up and start talking to you , took me a while(as a city boy) to get used to it....

haven't had a experience like jay's, but I have talked with military dudes about it, they don't concern themselves with the trails, but the vaccination program is causing the military to lose a lot of good men and women....

Here's a thumbs up for you cy !!!!

posted 10-27-2000 03:01 PM            

I've given Hillary the finger plenty o times but never figured I'd be getting her thumbs-up approval!