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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-02-2000 05:01 PM
   
I've subscribed to Flight Explorer Personal Edition and will be studying it for a while to see what I can determine...
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-02-2000 05:28 PM
Wow ! look at all those X's and grid patterns !From what I understand, the only difference between the pro edition and the personal , is real time weather data.... and you can use the ADDS link I gave you for weather, and it is basically the same thing...so I've heard... Sorry about getting testy earlier, I did not post twice . I done this a few times....I know how to post..I swear !  ------------------
T/S
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JayReynolds
unregistered
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posted 11-02-2000 07:28 PM
When I had the pro edition, which was way back in ancient times(july of 1999), they also offered archived nationwide data on CD-rom. Think of the possibilities! Jay Reynolds 209.142.172.186 |
elvis lives
Senior Member
Pismo Beach, California
143 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 11-02-2000 07:55 PM
Just another day in paradise.....
http://www.avweb.com/sponsors/fe/images/fe_usa.gif
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Swedishoo
Vigilante
North Pinellas County, Florida
280 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 11-02-2000 07:57 PM
12 hour Winds Aloft Forecasts
03 Nov 2000 - 01:00:07 UTC
FDUM04 KWBC 021442
DATA BASED ON 021200Z
VALID 030000Z FOR USE 2100-0600Z. TEMPS NEG ABV 24000 FT 3000 6000 9000 12000 18000 24000 30000 34000 39000 HOU 1616 1613+12 1713+08 1917+03 2225-11 2337-21 246336 246945 247256 Thermit, did you notice any non-dissipating chemtrails today that also showed up on your Flight Explorer? Christy
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nodebbunker
Senior Member
Indiana USA
200 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 11-02-2000 08:38 PM
All Right! In no time at all, you'll be able to look at GOES 8 and say, "It looks like it will be a contrail day!" Early mornings are best to watch before traffic gets too heavy. Wait til you see it at Noon!
Be sure and keep a journal as you watch them lay the trails. Good Luck and have fun.------------------
just a housewife from Indiana
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-02-2000 09:23 PM
Christy, no, there were no trails today that I saw. Will take some time to study this...
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JayReynolds
unregistered
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posted 11-03-2000 08:20 AM
node wrote, "Early mornings are best to watch before traffic gets too heavy."In Surface based Observations of Contrail Occurrrence Over the U.S., April 1993 - April 1994, Minnis etal, the paper states,pp7-8, (referring to normal contrails) "Figure 11, a plot of the maxima as a function of longitude, shows that, except for Loring AFB, the times of primary maximum(contrail occurrence) are found near 0830 local time over the eastern US, during the late morning or late afternoon over the central US, and during the early morning or late afternoon in the west." see:http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/data/sass/auxiliary/RP1404.pdf Jay Reynolds 209.142.167.80 |
nodebbunker
Senior Member
Indiana USA
200 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 11-03-2000 04:14 PM
It's easier to track them in the morning before the sky is hazed over. The early morning contrails are the first of the day and can be seen with the dawn here, planes coming from the east, turning at Indianapolis headed for St. Louis. I've captured photos where they appear to be flying together, even 4 and 5 at a time. But they are flying different altitudes, different speeds, and usually not more than 2-3 minutes apart.By watching the Goes8 satellite yesterday, I predicted we would have trails here today and sure enough, this morning by 11:00AM the sky was hazed over. THERMIT: How did you get the FE screen to past over like that? ------------------
just a housewife from Indiana
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-03-2000 04:35 PM
1. Setup FE for picture.
2. Use imaging software and do a screen grab.To make it easy, you can send it to me and I'll do the rest of the steps...
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Falcon
The voice of sanity and reality!
87 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 11-04-2000 07:41 AM
So, Thermit how goes the study of the US airways system then?  Do you really think the "Chemtrailers" are actually going to show up on this thing?! 
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-04-2000 08:38 AM
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Do you really think the "Chemtrailers" are actually going to show up on this thing?!
I guess that means you think they are military?
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-04-2000 09:32 AM
Picture from nodebunker:
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nodebbunker
Senior Member
Indiana USA
200 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 11-04-2000 10:37 AM
Thanks! Thermit. Since FE updates every 2-3 minutes, I thought people would like to see what I'm watching in that 2-3 minute window. This shot is from my journal, Oct 30, 2000 at 9:40AM, showing central and northern Indiana and western Ohio.
key: aqua planes are high altitude (CORRECTION - High AND low altitude flights)
aqua lines are high altitude airways
yellow lines are low altitude airways
red planes are arrivals
lat/long are indicatedSomeone asked me recently the value of FE? IMHO, I'd pay alot more for it to know I wasn't being "sprayed." ------------------
just a housewife from Indiana
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-04-2000 12:16 PM
Those red boxed off areas, is that MOA, or iceing/turbulance ?BTW, you got one helluva lot of planes there Deb ! ------------------
T/S
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nodebbunker
Senior Member
Indiana USA
200 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 11-04-2000 09:46 PM
I do beleive those are MOA's, bit I have all those checked off on the filter, I will go back and change it to just MOA's. I have to use the ADDS weather page to determine weather conditions, i.e. icing, turbulence but mainly use that for rh.If you think that's alot of planes, heck that was a Wednesday. Mondays and Thursdays are incredible. If I adjust it to show tracking history like Thermit did above, I wouldn't be able to read the screen. ------------------
just a housewife from Indiana
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-05-2000 12:22 AM
I can't wait to get this software....One thing I will learn is who is up there, I am 200 miles from any populated area larger than 40,000... Post a pic deb of one of those 'busy' days, but size it ...please! some of these photos size are requiring me to scroll left to right to read posts ! Ack ! 
350x400 "I am not scarface "
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Falcon
The voice of sanity and reality!
87 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 11-05-2000 08:09 AM
No Thermit I don't think they're military because I don't think they exist!This FE thing is quite impressive, but, I don't understand how you intend to use it to prove the existence of these "chemtrailers".
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nodebbunker
Senior Member
Indiana USA
200 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 11-05-2000 11:33 AM
Cross reference to a post I just made at Cliff Carnicom's Board:Author Comment
Chickie Deb
Registered User
(11/5/00 10:25:13 am)
Relax, Moose
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This will show that I have been into this research since January, 2000. If you can get through the bickering in this thread, pay close attention to Michael McDonough, Dogbreath a/k/a Canex and myself. teksphere.com/discus/ Scroll down to "Persistent Contrails formed by Commercial Air Traffic" If anybody remembers this event, it was MY subscription to FE that Michael McD utilized.
Also, you may recall Ken Welch's "debunking" of same. www.sightings.com/politics6/chemndis.htm After rereading this thread myself, the one statement made by Michael Mc Donoough stands out - Feb 23, 2000
>"The fact that our atmosphere has changed to the point where the contrails are more persistent is still a bit alarming to me. Perhaps the atmosphere will cool back down after the Solar Max we shall see. If it does not we will have to start looking at human impact as being the possible cause of the effect. To ignore that fact that a lot of what is being reported is in fact these now more persistent contrails would simply push this issue further to the outside of the mainstream and make it harder to bring to light the much fewer but more serious sightings of chemtrails which the evidence suggests is in fact the field testing of various systems for aerosol delivery of biological warfare countermeasures, and very likely some type of test pathogens designed with markers for identification and the compiling reports of the distribution patterns and the effectiveness of the countermeasures deployed."<
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And this has been exactly my point, to distinguish between contrails from airliners and the much fewer sightings of field testing. I have taken the time and initiative to do this, so why won't anyone else? How can you take a stand on an issue you may not even have witnessed?
Big Thanks to Michael McDonough for maintaining his site in spite of the abandonment "because he went to the other side."
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just a housewife from Indiana
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Swedishoo
Vigilante
North Pinellas County, Florida
280 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 11-05-2000 11:30 PM
So basically McDonough was saying:A. He's baffled why the atmosphere has changed. B. The atmosphere may cool down after the Solar Max, if not, then lingering trails most likely are man-made. Is the troposphere too warm? What happened to the ice crystal condensation theory? C. These persistent contrails are hiding the dangerous Chemtrails that are biological warfare countermeasures, making it harder to differentiate. Christy
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-06-2000 12:43 AM
Read his first report useing F/E,he had a revalation with pic......the stuff your refering to was added after his "repremand" from the chemtrail crowd.Were getting snow on election day ! ------------------
T/S
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Falcon
The voice of sanity and reality!
87 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 11-07-2000 06:11 PM
Has the atmosphere changed? Don't know.Has engine design designed?....yes. Could this have something to do with longer, larger and more persistant trails?...yes Could it be to do with high bypass ratio engines?....yes Does my aircraft leave a persistant trail above roughly 28 to 29,000 feet?.....yes (depending on the airmass) Am I a Chemtrailer pilot?....No Are you all a bunch of sheep being led by a bunch of conspiracy theorists?.....Yes Am I about to feel the wrath of Thermits' tongue?.....Yes (probably)
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cydoniaquest
nobody
nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 11-07-2000 06:25 PM
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JayReynolds
unregistered
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posted 11-08-2000 07:58 AM
The more complete the combustion, the more water vapor formed. Combustion efficiency depends on optimal atomization of the fuel, optimal mixing of air with fuel, the optimal condition of the physical parts, air density(dependent on compressor dishcharge pressure, and maybe altitude), fuel hydrogen content, point of operation on the engine's power curve, and optimal combustion temperature. How these various factors, and maybe more, affect contrail creation comparatively between the designs I don't know. What I do know is that if the planes you see leaving "trails" can be identified as normal commercial planes making normal contrails, "chemtrail" speculation is moot and the discusion can then turn to enviro and aesthetic concerns. Very few people seem willing to even try identifying aircraft by using the Flight Explorer software. They seem to be making a conscious decision to not know one way or the other. This remains an enduring mystery to me, especially since, so far as I know, I was the first to recognize it's relevance and advise the believers during the summer of 1999. Jay Reynolds 209.142.172.162 |
nodebbunker
Senior Member
Indiana USA
200 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 11-10-2000 04:05 PM
So, Thermit. How are your FE studies coming along?
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