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maddog
New Member
11 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-07-2000 01:12 AM
  
I live in Chicago and last Sunday October 29, 2000, I saw 5 tankers flying in formation about 300 m apart in a staggered fromation all spraying, I did not get a picture because i too slow but if anyone did or has seen something like this let me know.
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Falcon
The voice of sanity and reality!
87 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 11-07-2000 05:58 PM
Maddog, SO WHAT?!It's a regular feature of numerous military exercises world wide. You describe them as "tankers", were they? You don't know, there may have two tankers and three transports or any variation of the above. After all, we all have to train for various tasking requirements.
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maddog
New Member
11 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-08-2000 11:04 AM
There were five KC-135 stratotankers, I should have been more specific. I know formation flying is SOP in the armed forces, but five 135's flying so close, and at such a low altitiude, and all spraying? I was just curious if anyone has seen this before.
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LTC8K6
35 HOTEL / MOLE / LAME MORON
Tar Heel State
267 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 11-08-2000 02:49 PM
How did 1,000 feet get to be "so close"?
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maddog
New Member
11 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-08-2000 03:09 PM
It looked pretty close too me, whats the closest a formation of aircraft that large could fly?
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LTC8K6
35 HOTEL / MOLE / LAME MORON
Tar Heel State
267 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 11-08-2000 03:41 PM
Apparently I have no idea.How did you estimate their altitude/separation? It's very hard to do.
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Falcon
The voice of sanity and reality!
87 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 11-08-2000 06:27 PM
LTC8K6, good point.It's very difficult to judge distances and altitudes from the ground. As for how close large a/c can fly to each other, outside the SOPs it pretty much comes down to pilot skill and ability at formation flight! Have you ever seen how close you have to get during air to air refueling in a big jet? What height were these guys "spraying" at?
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maddog
New Member
11 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-08-2000 08:01 PM
The way I judged distance was by its size. I live close to O'Hare Intnl airport, about 25 miles and thier approach altitude is approximately 8,000 ft when they pass over my house, according to the FAA. The ammount of detail I could see was just a hair less than the detail I could see on a coomercial 707, which is the same plane. The distance between I just judged, but it might be a bad guess.
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Blackclaw
New Member
Dayton, Ohio
7 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 11-08-2000 08:44 PM
I flew on an air refueling flight as an observer aboard a KC-135. I'd say the distance was less than twenty feet.------------------
-Blackclaw
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-08-2000 09:28 PM
Blackclaw, is that the distance between refueler and refuelee? That seems a bit close for formation flying of multiple tankers...
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thermit on 11-08-2000]
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maddog
New Member
11 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-09-2000 01:27 AM
At any rate, they were really close, unusually close. I always thought that planes that large would cause too much turbulence, but I am not an aerospace engineer.
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Falcon
The voice of sanity and reality!
87 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 11-09-2000 10:20 AM
Flying Very close is a well known and well used tactic. It makes it very difficult for a radar operator to assess how many a/c are in the formation. It has to be practiced as does the refuelling.
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Blackclaw
New Member
Dayton, Ohio
7 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 11-09-2000 08:41 PM
That was the distance between the the tanker and the receiver. (Although at one point we hit a bit of turbulance and the nose of the plane we were refueling lifted up and I thought it was going to get a whole lot closer.) The tanker I was in was the tail end of a three member trail formation with a separation of about one mile.But essentially the aircraft we were refueling (A big plane, a KC-10. Yes, we were refueling another tanker. It was kind of a weird night.) was flying close formation with us. It's just not something big planes like to do for very long because it takes a lot of pilot concentration. But in WWII, bomber pilots did it for hours on end. ------------------
-Blackclaw
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goldrush
Senior Member
No, Calif. USA
109 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 11-09-2000 10:12 PM
Check this site out for formation pictures and aircraft groupings. See if there is something similar to what you saw. http://www.131.84.1.31/photos/aircraft.html
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goldrush
Senior Member
No, Calif. USA
109 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 11-09-2000 10:23 PM
I should have dropped the www. Try http://131.84.1.31/photos/aircraft.html
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Blackclaw
New Member
Dayton, Ohio
7 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 11-10-2000 07:33 PM
Thanks for the link GoldRush.------------------
-Blackclaw
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av8r
New Member
orlando, fl, usa
2 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 11-10-2000 10:40 PM
hi mad dogcould you please post a picture of the 5 KC-135's spraying at low level? thanks in advance
av8r
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elvis lives
Senior Member
Pismo Beach, California
143 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 11-11-2000 12:28 AM
I think maddog is pulling our chains. His last post was July 19th, almost three months ago. Maybe it is just a coincidence that his post in July had to do with KC130 pilots....hummmm
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000005.html Three months later he just happens to pop in and mention he saw 5 KC135 tankers flying in formation spraying chemtrails....hummmm.
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maddog
New Member
11 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-12-2000 08:20 PM
Well for one Elvis, I said I didnt have time to get my camera, and if you want to see pictures there are 1000's on this website and its links alone. Secondly are you acusing me of lying?
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