posted 11-16-2000 11:12 AM            

>This thread is closed and it will be deleted in the near future. Readers are advised to take in seriousness the reference given above that those who repeatedly incite and foment disruption will be removed.

Adequate time and notice for all participants to recognize and to identify the offending parties is usually given on this board. Deletion of threads may also be interpreted as a forerunner to removal. A consistent standard of evaluation has been used throughout the two year history of this forum, and the objectives of the board are stated above.

The previous post entitled, 'To Those In Doubt', as referenced above, may also be of value.

Sincerely,

Clifford E Carnicom <

Sorry, if I put this under the inappropriate topic.

posted 11-16-2000 06:52 PM            

Nagdt, good to see you again. I don't know if that problem is a bug in the banning aspect of the ezboard software or just a general problem of trying to ban uses by IP address, which is quite tricky. I've had the banned message stop me from posting too, quite a surprise the first time. It is unfortunate because of the confusion it creates when not intended. Yeah, I thought about the billboard idea too, but figured it probably cost too much.

posted 12-10-2000 11:00 AM            

Thinking about the chemtrail propaganda, not to side step global warming, through "community participation" via message boards and websites on the net, I see a definite correlation with numbers 4 and 5 below which I have out-taked from the following:
http://www.radioliberty.com/kjos1.htm

Out-takes:

1) SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT. The guiding principle of the new universal education system is "sustainable development." People everywhere must be taught "facts" about environmental "risks" that are sensational enough to scare them into compliance. They must be persuaded to accept unthinkable limits on consumption, land use, transportation, and family size. Everyone must protect resources for future generations, say UN leaders, but they agree that the real meaning of sustainability is based on the E's: Environment, Economy, and Equity, which point to a redistribution of the world's resources-money, energy, water, and people-in order to create global equality.

2) The similarities between the Communist Manifesto and the UN agenda (outlined in the Beijing Declaration and incorporated into the Habitat Agenda) should be a call to action. Both revolutions--

* Use psychology and sociology to establish the victimhood, blame and anger needed to fuel the revolution.
* Use education to conform minds to the new ideology.
* Use synthesis (blending opposing views into compromise beliefs that match new goals) to produce group consensus.
* Promise economic equality to seduce the masses.
* Spread hatred toward "extremists" who refuse to compromise.

The Communist Manifesto led to religious, moral and economic bankruptcy. Yet UN-led activists and their US partners are determined to fulfill their utopian visions.

3) "STEP 1: IDENTIFY A LEADERSHIP TEAM" (11)

"Concentrate on gaining the involvement of the 15 percent of people typically open to new ideas-and ask them to help involve the other 75 percent.... Try not to spend too much time responding to the... unwelcome actions of the 10 percent who may actively oppose your change efforts..."12 (Community Action Toolkit)

Hitler's Mein Kampf: "The most striking success of a revolution will always have been achieved when the new philosophy of life as far as possible has been taught to all men, and if necessary, later forced upon them."13 He tells his followers to "sift the human material it wins into two large groups: supporters and members.... A supporter of a movement is one who declares himself to be in agreement with its aims, a member is one who fights for them.... and corresponds only to the minority of men."

4) "GUIDE TO GETTING OUT YOUR MESSAGE"

"Find information that lends credence to your argument and creates a sense of urgency." "One of the best ways to influence public opinion is to influence the news and information that people rely upon in making decisions."19 (Community Action Toolkit)

Hitler: "The first task of propaganda is to win people for subsequent organization.... The second task of propaganda is the disruption of the existing state of affairs and the permeation of this state of affairs with the new doctrine...."20

Sustainable America: "Community-based coalitions can create educational media campaigns..., disseminate high-quality information on community issues, and promote public discussions that identify solutions to problems." (p. 90) "Accurate information built on basic scientific research established the foundation of knowledge needed for sound decisionmaking...." (p. 61)

Agenda 21: Use "neighborhood surveys, community meetings, and public forums to directly engage the resident population in identifying and analyzing issues...." (p. 45)

5) FALSIFYING EVIDENCE TO WIN SUPPORT. "Accurate information" and "analyzing issues" are two of many seductive euphemism that deceive the public. Truth and facts matter little. What counts are stories and "scientific" arguments that evoke the "right" response: a willingness to submit to unthinkable controls in order to save the earth. For a glimpse at the twisted data used as evidence for environmental risks, ponder the following comment by Dr. Frederick Seitz, past President of the National Academy of Sciences:

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a UN organization regarded by many as the best source of scientific information about the human impact on the earth's climate, released "The Science of Climate Change 1995".... I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer review process.... More than 15 sections... were changed or deleted after the scientists charged with examining this question had accepted the supposedly final text... The following passages are examples of those deleted:

* "None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to... increases in greenhouse gases."
* "No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to... man-made causes."

"IPCC reports are often called the "consensus" view. If they lead to carbon taxes and restraints on economic growth, they will have a major and almost certainly destructive impact on the economies of the world.... Their effect is to deceive policy makers and the public into believing that the scientific evidence shows human activities are causing global warming.21

"Without "proof" that humans cause global warming, globalists lose their strongest argument for world governance. Therefore they cannot let mere facts slow the spreading public persuasion that humanity's future rests in the hands of UN-US environmental 'saviors.'"
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* Spread hatred toward "extremists" who refuse to compromise.

AND

Try not to spend too much time responding to the... unwelcome actions of the 10 percent who may actively oppose your change efforts..."12 (Community Action Toolkit)

My point is what person, including myself, labelled as a "debunker" and banned at the Carnicom message board have not felt the brunt of this wrath? Regarding my stance on global warming, that wrath was extended to this message board when I was called ignorant and stupid on another thread.

There is no tangible proof of "chemtrails" as there is no proof of global warming. Now that El Nino and El Nina are on hiatus, perhaps, and only time will tell, if we have witnessed nothing more than cyclical climate change the past few years. Examination of conscience may help some decide who are the real "sheople" in denial.

posted 12-10-2000 08:14 PM            

If you have roaches, you buy a bug bomb or two and set them off in the house...to kill the roaches....you don't stay in the house while conducting this proceedure...

So if your correct dr. lethal....where do these NWO people who ok'd the spraying go ?

T/S

posted 12-10-2000 10:04 PM            

This is a question for the Debate and Debunking Forum. It is answered in several threads as well. Define "definitive" proof there - I'm sure myself as well as members of Congress would demand tangible proof in spite of this e-mail sent out by CACTUS announcing their petition:

We're going for it! I got the word from Clifford Carnicom about a week ago
to begin the process. We do not need absolute proof, only enough to establish that something is indeed happening in the skies above us!
Please take the time to print the Petition out. It is attached in both Word
and Rich Text Document. The Petition will soon be at several websites as
well.
As you fill the forms out, they should be mailed to Clifford Carnicom
(see
address on form). Let's do it!!!
PS. If you have a website or a business, could you put the Petition in
a prominent place? In addition, please distribute this email.