posted 11-18-2000 09:11 PM            

Picture by Deborah 11/2/00 Boston

Update:

Current research and observations have indicated that the so-called Sky Chromosome feature displayed in some trails is a feature of a normal contrail, sometimes present, during it's latter disapation phase. This phenomenon has been recently observed to occur in conjunction with a commercial flight which was identified on Flight Explorer. The atmospheric conditions at the time provided for a relatively lengthy contrail persistence in the range of 1 to 2 minutes. Two minutes is the upper-bound for persistence which has been observed with identifiable planes. So, in summary, the picture shown at the beginning of this thread, while interesting, is not considered to be anomalous or related to Chemtrails by this researcher. The highly persistent trails of 30 minutes to several hours, which are not identifiable via Flight Explorer, remain the reason for continuation of current research.

posted 11-19-2000 02:39 AM            

Thermit you should contact deborah and have her explain this further....

I believe I know what kind of aircraft made this.....

Finally someone came up with something more than persistent artificial cloud photo's.

Hardly 'bio-logical' Thermit.....but interesting....

Too bad anyone with with experience on this type of thing probably won't see this....

I swear there's an echo in here now......

posted 11-19-2000 07:52 AM            

I have seen broken contrails but nothing like that. With little that I know, my guess would be the plane was having some kind of mechanical failure because the placement of the contrails, as weird as they are, is uniform in the path or there was something already in the air as the plane's exhaust was emitted.

posted 11-19-2000 12:37 PM            

I see these quite frequently, and please don't hand me that "it only happens in my area" sh*t...

I can see that no one that is left here is serious about getting to the bottom of this unusual trail type ,I sent chickie deb a picture like the one above 6 months ago...slow man.....(woman)...

Your attitude deborah is indicative of a 'know it all'...so I won't share any info with you...since you think you already have a cart blanc on it....

good day...

posted 11-19-2000 01:27 PM            

The truth is, I don't care anymore what what you or anyone else comes up with to "explain" the stuff I've been seeing and photographing since November 1999. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me, either. You don't know me and clearly don't care one way or another what I express here. The atmosphere could implode on us all tomorrow and you'd probably just write it off to some remotely "similar" thing you've seen [ho hum] already. Been there/Done that - that's your bottom line.

If I had a TENTH of your "knowledge" I guess I could be as "cool" as you are, huh?

Be that as it may, and as it turns out, I'm not as stupid as you think I am, Seeker. I have pretty much concluded by now that there will be no "answers" forthcoming to questions being presented by an increasing number of people observing and documenting the mess in our skies. Those, like yourself, who are not bothered by what you see, are fortunate, indeed. The rest of us will just have to make the necessary adjustments and get it through our heads that there is nothing we can do about it.
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAZXRBN9FC.html
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/codec/codeci/webmaster/CommSpaceTrans/Index.html

posted 11-19-2000 08:32 PM            

On October 9th I made a post in the carnicom forum, titled ‘One final note...’, in which you responded.....
http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=3320.topic

“Elvis...
Will pass on the slide show [have seen it] but thank you for the very thoughtful summary of your viewpoint. I happen to agree with most of it [you still "left out" the ozone issue, however - why?]”

If you agreed with most of my viewpoints then.....why are you still struggling with heavy contrail activity in and around Boston? It seems you have slipped out of remission.

Boston will only get worse before it gets better. Jet traffic is scheduled to increase 180% over then next 10 years. If you have the flexibility, I would suggest relocating to an area away from commercial and/or military air traffic corridors. As they say, out of sight....out of mind.

Deborah, you are too smart to get caught up in this ‘chemtrail’ hoax. I see you as one of the leading researchers in the fight to reduce and regulate global air pollution.

posted 11-19-2000 08:45 PM            

You could at least try.....

>Those, like yourself, who are not bothered by what you see, are fortunate, indeed. <

I refer to your statement, you don't know me, you don't know what really bothers me, well, closed minded angry people bother me...

>The rest of us will just have to make the necessary adjustments and get it through our heads that there is nothing we can do about it.<

Sounds like you all are quitter's ?

And yes, there's not much you can do about air travel....

Providing you don't quit...keep looking at those thin little trails...you never know what you might find.....

Communication closed

posted 11-19-2000 10:07 PM            

You did? This hard drive only goes back to 4/10 and I just went through everything you've sent me. ???????

posted 11-19-2000 10:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Deborah:
>>Too bad, that the photographer neglected to show the entire contrail with the jet included.<<

I didn't "neglect" ANYTHING. I have one lens, a 50mm, with which to work. And as you can clearly see, a visual field which often must accommodate the reality of the typical urban landscape. Your "assumptions" are spurious, as usual.

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posted 11-19-2000 10:55 PM            

better yet here it is....

Ring a bell ?

posted 11-19-2000 11:44 PM            

Anyone who has been following my posts all these months, if they are being honest with themselves, knows by now that I have the following very specific areas of concern in regard to this issue:

** Atmospheric chemistry and circulation as impacted by:

- Transport and photochemistry of various greenhouse gases
- Interaction of surface pollutants and UV
- Subsonic and supersonic aviation emissions
- DoD, DoE and DoC projects ongoing in the upper atmosphere/lower stratosphere in preparation for positioning of space-based weapons and communications systems and commercialization of space transportation

** Stratospheric Ozone Depletion

>>...but lacking backup info, it proves nothing with regard to your firm belief it is "spraying."<<

You again assume incorrectly. Sorry, but I don't know how else to put that. I have no "firm belief" in the concept of "spraying" and have stated as much on several occasions.

I DO feel very strongly that what I am observing is evidence of our atmosphere's inability to process the waste being generated by a combination of factors. I realize that this possibility doesn't bother you and would not try to persuade you otherwise at this late date. I also do not feel it is unreasonable to think that something is being discharged along with the emissions from the already "available-for-the-purpose" fleet of commercial aircraft to either alter atmospheric pH or block UV, both of which may be contributing to the "problematical" photochemistry of surface pollutants which interact to create excess O3.

I am about done posting on any boards exploring this issue as I feel my time is better spent continuing to research these specific areas of concern.

As for backup information, please note that I did not originally post the photograph in question. I submitted it to Thermit as I felt it was relevant to the issue at hand and apparently he agreed, as evidenced by his taking the time to create the "insert." [Thank you, Thermit.] On Thursday, 11/2 and Friday, 11/3, previously "clear" skies were covered in a matter of 3-4 hours with trail after trail and the resulting dispersion formations. The photograph was taken facing ESE. The sky 180 degrees to the west presented quite a different picture at that moment - I don't think I need elaborate. There is hardly a day anymore, in this area, where the sky is actually FREE of one form or another of "whatever-it-is." The local meteorologists now tell us when we will, and will not, "see the sun."

Like I said in my previous post, I've reached the conclusion that what I am seeing is not going to change and that there is nothing I, or anyone else can do about it. I also know exactly WHY this is so. The challenge now is to make peace with this reality and move on to more constructive modes of inquiry.

Deborah

posted 11-21-2000 12:52 AM            

I find these thin trails a case of either very specific atmospheric conditions , or an action....

The pic I posted looks terrible and as soon as I find the original I will post it...

posted 11-22-2000 02:37 PM            

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Stop and think about this. If there was a planned domestic aerial spray program in progress...WHY would they spray the skies on a beautiful, clear, sunny DAY...in front of God and everyone.....when they could spray at night in complete secrecy?

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This is off topic, but it is one of the best comments made, so I'll address this first. Well, there is such a thing as a persistent contrail, and of course these are seen in the both the day and night where the conditions are right. So it's not like this is something unheard of, although this is more common in the colder climates. So, why would they spray in the daytime? Since trails can be detected both day and night (via moonlight, etc.) it would destroy plausable denyability if persistent trails were detected only at night. It may also make operations safer and logistics simpler.

Okay, so I've heard it mentioned that this is a broken trail. Yes, but why? This second picture, also by Deborah, shows other trails very close that look perfectly normal. Like Seeker says, "either very specific atmospheric conditions, or an action". Now, if I take the 'specific atmospheric conditions' as the reason and also apply this to the 'Sky Chromosomes' picture at the beginning of the thread, I find that a tough sell. I am certainly willing to buy that atmospheric conditions will create dashed trails given the right conditions, but the scale is just too small, in my opinion, in the 'Sky Chromosomes' shot. The spacing between the pairs of trail segments shows this.

I think nodebunker is getting a little closer in looking to an explaination that is due to something with the jet itself. Engine trouble? Maybe. Falcon has attempted to explain very short dashed trails before as due to engine surge. Maybe.

posted 11-22-2000 06:59 PM            

"Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it looks like a spray system running out of juice...Maybe?"

You are not a conspiracy theorist. They all live at the carnicom board. I see you as on the fence, patiently waiting for something new to happen that could sway you one way or the other.

As far as night spraying vs: day spraying goes...If it's under my command, it happens at night...for two reasons:

First, the hardcore chemtrailers maintain we are being sprayed at 10,000 feet and up. You could easily locate, photograph, and identify this type of spraying in the daylight. Why would the military risk their entire operation by flaunting us with daylight spray shows when they could spray after dark with little or no exposure?

Second, the winds are normally stronger during the day, which would cause the spray to drift away from the intended target areas. In the wee hours of the morning, when all is calm, the spray would disperse more evenly and you could fly lower to dispense it. Keep in mind, the C130's used by the Air Force Reserve fly 150 feet above the ground at 230 miles per hour when they spray for insect infestation. Why spray at 10,000 to 30,000 feet during the windier part of the day when you could spray in the calm of the night at 5,000 feet or lower?

Also, how long does it take them to spray the country with biological warfare vaccines? It’s been over 2 years since this project supposedly began. Shouldn’t we be inoculated by now?
http://www.af.mil/news/airman/0298/spray2.htm http://www.aerounion.com/asd_a2_2.jpg