posted 11-28-2000 09:41 PM            

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I assume your ozone generator is manufactured by Alpine. Alpine Industries uses the 'Amway' method of distribution i.e. pyramid marketing. If you check the Federal Trade Commission web site you will find past and present litigation between Alpine and the US Government.

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Yeah, it's essentially an Alpine. I know about their distribution method, but I skipped that by purchasing it on Ebay and saved a lot, still overpriced, but worth it. I also am aware of the litigation, it really doesn't matter. These devices are great. I think it's ironic how the establishment declares "ozone alerts" when it really should be a "pollution alert". It's like calling an infection a "plague of white blood cells".

posted 11-28-2000 10:01 PM            

>Keep in mind that a 747 produces the same amount of toxic pollution during taxi and takeoff that an automobile produces traveling 53,000 miles.<

How many more cars are there than planes elvis ?

So stratospheric pollution is more important than lower tropospheric pollution ?

Visually it ain't much to look at (contrails) but it is hardly a real problem, now....

I think your a "band-wagon" green elvis.

posted 11-28-2000 11:37 PM            

"A 0.04 ppm newly government regulated ozone machine would take over 24 hours to clear a small room of it's contaminants...that is if no new contaminants have entered the room. Whereas a cold plasma or 10 ppm ozone machine could do the job within 15 minutes."

An ozone generator produces pure ozone and is rated on grams per hour, not parts per million.

Ozone is used for many things including water purification. The City of Los Angeles has two of the largest ozone generators in the world in use at its sewage treatment and potable water plants.

Ozone is the second most powerful biocidal agent known to man. At higher levels, ozone is a toxic gas which causes severe respiratory problems to those with diminished respiratory function. At even higher levels, ozone theoretically could kill, although there are no recorded deaths from ozone poisoning.

The primary component of smog is ground level OZONE.

posted 11-29-2000 12:38 AM            

I said "Keep in mind that a 747 produces the same amount of toxic pollution during taxi and takeoff that an automobile produces traveling 53,000 miles.

You said "So stratospheric pollution is more important than lower tropospheric pollution ?"

posted 11-29-2000 01:05 AM            

Now compare that to cars..in the same respect...

posted 11-29-2000 07:36 AM            

Snow tells a story. In urban areas, within hours, the snow is blackened from auto exhaust along the roads and streets. I live near an international airport, and the undisturbed snow in my backyard doesn't exhibit signs of contamination. When I lived in a rural area, on a road less travelled, black snow wasn't an eye sore until you drove into town.

Although I live on the edge of a suburb surrounded by corn field, our town has a law against outdoor burning of anything. We have to accumulate yard waste in a pile and apply for a burning permit (one per year allowed.) So I found this interesting regarding the State of Washington -
Ecology to end outdoor burning ban as weather shifts
OLYMPIA -- The Washington Department of Ecology (Ecology) will cancel a statewide ban on outdoor burning tomorrow (Thanksgiving Day) at 6 a.m. The calm weather conditions, which have trapped pollution near the ground over much of the state since last week, are starting to change.

Local bans on outdoor burning, as well as restrictions on wood-stove and fireplace use, may remain in effect in some areas. People should monitor local radio and TV news for current information on indoor and outdoor burning. A home with no other source of adequate heat may heat with wood even during a ban on indoor burning.

"Even if burning is allowed, we urge you to use cleaner options," said Ecology meteorologist Tim Allen. "Wood smoke is the number one air pollution problem in residential areas during the fall and winter."

The microscopic particles in wood smoke can be inhaled deeply into the lungs and damage delicate tissues. Young children, the elderly, pregnant women and people with respiratory or heart ailments are at the greatest risk from this pollutant. Outdoor exertion that causes deep breathing -- such as play, exercise or heavy physical labor -- can increase your exposure to these particles and other pollutants.

posted 11-29-2000 09:42 AM            

If there is a problem with the fuel causing ill health, this $4 million study should find it. So far, they find chronic pulmonary obstructive illness more prevalent than in the county as a whole, but murders are 50% higher there, too. People over 65 actually live longer there than the county as a whole, though.

Good research, documented as no chemtrail has ever been: http://www.metrokc.gov/health/phnr/eapd/reports/cancer/

posted 11-29-2000 08:35 PM            

WASHINGTON (AP) - Nearly half of Americans suffer at least one chronic disease, everything from allergies to heart disease - 20 million more than doctors had anticipated this year, researchers say.
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGA2TKJM5GC.html

posted 11-29-2000 10:09 PM            

"Preventive care - weight management, disease screening, nutrition, exercise, geriatric assessments for the elderly - can stave off many chronic diseases. "

So what was your point of posting this article? That people get diabetes from air pollution too?

posted 11-30-2000 01:29 AM            

EPA RELEASE :

Why has EPA revised the ozone standards?
Ozone has clear, documented impacts on human health, crops, and ecosystems. EPA first promulgated ozone standards in 1971. These standards were last revised in 1979. EPA reviewed the scientific information for ozone in 1993, but based on studies published through the late 1980s, the Agency concluded that the current ozone standards were adequate to protect human health.

Since that time, however, over 3,000 new studies on ozone have been published. Many of these new studies show that ozone can cause adverse health effects at levels below the current primary standard. For this reason, EPA has revised the primary standard to provide a higher level of protection than the current standard.

EPA