posted 11-25-2000 01:53 AM            

What started out as one story, on rBGH, has now turned into 3 stories. The first is the rBGH story. The second the firing of the reporters by FOX. The third, the complity of all the major media, by not reporting on this.

To anyone who does not care about these stories, could you please explain to me why ?

I have not seen this story covered by one stinking MASS media outlet. How can two news reporters, getting fired for refusing to bown down to demands from Monsanto on the night before the airing of their story on rBGH, not be an important story? These two reporters were well respected and worked for a Fox News affiliat T.V. Station in Florida. The fact that these two reporters sued Fox News and won, also has not been reported. If it has, I imagine it was only in a few "obscure" places.

Does anyone, besides me, think that this is disgusting? Why can't I get anyone to care about this story?

Please let me know any mass media sources for this story. If you are not interested in this story, then please tell me why. Thanks !

Brent

(excerpt)
After a five-week trial and six hours of deliberation which ended August 18, 2000, a Florida state court jury unanimously determined that Fox "acted intentionally and deliberately to falsify or distort the plaintiffs' news reporting on BGH." In that decision, the jury also found that Jane's threat to blow the whistle on Fox's misconduct to the FCC was the sole reason for the termination... and the jury awarded awarded $425,000 in damages which makes her eligible to apply for reimbursement for all court costs, expenses and legal fees.

The whistle-blowing journalists, twice refused Fox offers of big-money deals to keep quiet about what they knew, filed their landmark lawsuit April 2, 1998 and survived three Fox efforts to have their case summarily dismissed. It is the first time journalists have used a whistleblower law to seek a legal remedy for being fired by for refusing to distort the news.

The journalists, who happen to be married to each other, have not been offered full-time work in the mainstream media since their experience at Fox and in court. This website, created by former television news producer Jon Duffey, was posted on the day the whistleblower suit was filed. It continues to provide details of the suit and subsequent appeals, as well as recent developments regarding rBGH and other genetically engineered foods.
http://www.foxbghsuit.com/

(more)

I have not seen this story covered by any major players in the media. Please let me know if you have seen any major media outlets cover this story.
Thanks.

Brent

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posted 11-25-2000 02:48 AM            

But it's too damn good and convienent to drink it by the gallon from the store,milk straight out o' the udder...is rather rich and will give the average man the trots.....

Have been trying to figure out a reasonable sinister plan for rbgh but can't,or haven't yet...until then will have milk.....

Got it ?

BTW, you mention "water down" 7 times Brent.....

Oh, and have you no comment out of all your photos...on the thin lines ????

You know brent you have been posted on a few boards,ever thought for minute that the FEDS are the ones on your side ?

stirring de' pot....

posted 11-25-2000 03:47 AM            

I was not even asking about the rBGH story in my post. That story is important, but right now I am asking about the other aspect of the story, which is the control of the media.

As far as mentioning "water down", I did not write that. Everything below the second posting of my name, comes from results from a search engine. They are only the first few, since most people don't have time to do tons of reading.

What lines on ALL my photos are you refering to?

I know there are wires in one parking lot, where I shot a small percentage of my photos, but these are the only lines that I am aware of. Have you looked at all my photos on the net? There are approximatly 100.

Please tell me what lines you are referring to.

I am confused about this sentance..."You know brent you have been posted on a few boards,ever thought for minute that the FEDS are the ones on your side ?"

What do you mean by this? I know that not everyone in the Federal Government is evil. I know there are at least a few good people who work for the Federal Government. Unfortunatly, most are too afraid to come forward and tell the truth. I can' blame them though. Until more Americans start caring about "real" issues and admit that most elections are nothing more than puppet shows, I wouldn't risk my life trying to tell the brainwashed public the truth either

If you could clarify these points, I would appreciate it.

Thanks.

Brent

posted 11-25-2000 07:26 AM            

When the truth about rBGH surfaced, I took personal responsibility and cut milk consumption in this household down to cooking use only. But on the other hand, as many times as I've tried, I can't quit smoking so I understand why some people won't give up milk. I crave a big cold glass every once in awhile. But when I consider all the products out there that mess with Mother Nature in one form or other, the best I can do is attempt to keep what I ingest as natural as possible. There are thousands of things we put into our bodies as a society, from processed food to pharmaceuticals that benefit the economy but have lasting negative side effects. We can use the knowledge we have for our benefit, but "you can lead a horse to water . . ."

You can't save the world, Brent, just take personal responsibility for you and yours and prepare for the worst possible scenerio. The truth will always get suppressed to fit someone else's agenda. But make sure you know positively without a doubt the real truth about an issue before you get on the bandwagon. You just might be calling attention to yourself unnecessarily or giving too much attention to something created to keep your focus off the obvious.

posted 11-25-2000 11:15 AM            

I think most of us know that media cover-ups have been going on for a long time.

Here are 2 websites related to what are (and maybe) 2 of the biggest media cover-ups in the U.S. ever.

The first relates to the huge S&L rip-off that conveniently disappeared, (and was all but forgotten), from almost all media coverage when the Gulf War started, and the second is related to one of the S&L's specifically with incredible implications..... very scary and time-consuming, but potentially the biggest stories of political corruption in our time.

Chemtrails could be a piece of the puzzle? If true, this would surely give credence to very negative theories related to chemtrails, but no doubt the media has been compromised for decades.

For your consideration;
http://www.netmagic.net/~franklin/SW1.html (S&L website) http://www.iahf.com/usa/20000629.html (former FBI Gunderson website)

I meant to add this site related to population control, related to the above sites (implications for chemtrails); http://www.apfn.org/apfn/population.htm

posted 11-25-2000 12:52 PM            

Have you ever researched soy? Just curious.

Defender,

Took a quick look at your links, I will read them as soon as I have time. Thanks. The second piece was pretty long, but I have been to this site before.

TO EVERYONE,

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING........

The Controlled Media....Since 1917!!!
by John A. Quayle (blueoval@sgi.net)

[Comment: There it is, in plain English! The following information gives some hint as to the power of the media, how public opinion can be easily molded and gives some background why the mainstream media does not publicize a lot of information, or allow certain voices to be heard. It was retyped from a copy from the microfilm dept. of the San Diego Library downtown. -JAQ]

THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD FEBRUARY 9, 1917 -
PAGE 2947 & PAGE 2948.
Mr. CALLAWAY. Mr. Chairman, under unanimous consent, I insert in the record at this point a statement showing the newspaper combination, which explains their activity in this war matter, just discussed by the gentleman from Pennsylvania,

[Mr. Moore]: "In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interests, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press of the United States.

"These 12 men worked the problem out by selecting 170 newspapers, and then began, by an elimination process, to retain only those necessary for the purpose of controlling the general policy of the daily press throughout the country. They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest newspapers.

"The 25 papers were agreed upon; emissaries were sent to purchase the policy, national and international, of these papers; an agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interest of the purchasers.

"This contract is in existence at the present time, and it accounts for the news columns of the daily press of the country being filled with all sorts of preparedness argument and misrepresentations as to the present condition of the United States Army and Navy and the possibility and probability of the United States being attacked by foreign foes.

"This policy also included the suppression of everything in opposition to the wishes of the interests served. The effectiveness of this scheme has been conclusively demonstrated by the character of stuff carried in the daily press throughout the country since March, 1915. They have resorted to anything necessary to commercialize public sentiment and sandbag the national congress into making extravagant and wasteful appropriations for the Army and Navy under the false pretense that it was necessary. Their stock argument is that it is "patriotism." They are playing on every prejudice and passion of the American people."

Mr. MOORE of Pennsylvania. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the last word. I am in favor of this paragraph in the Navy appropriation bill, because I think the country ought to be fully prepared for any possible invasion; but I think the Congress ought to be careful about encouraging "rumors of war" when war has not actually been declared. Perhaps it would be safe to leave this matter to the President of the United States and to those who have direct knowledge upon the subject. I call attention, however, not only to these false reports of the Housatonic and about the California, but the steamship Philadelphia was reported sunk since the President was here, and yet the next day, after these reports had gone over the country like wildfire and everybody got excited about the Philadelphia, which naturally attracted interest in that great city and in the State of Pennsylvania, we found the Philadelphia had safely arrived in port, so that report was also in error.

Now, whether by design or not I do not know, but it seems that most of these false reports come from London. There seems to be an intense desire there to tell us about German outrages and about American blood shed on foreign ships or to find that some American ship has been shot up.

...and it continues on in the Congressional Record http://www.iahf.com/media.html

BELOW IS A GREAT PIECE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD READ. It is only a couple of pages........ http://www.radioliberty.com/nljune99.htm

(short excerpt)

In an article published in the Washington Post on October 30, 1993, page A21, entitled Ruling Class Journalists, Richard Harwood revealed that CFR members are:

"... the nearest thing we have to a ruling establishment in the United States.... This is not a retinue of people who "look like America"... but they very definitely look like the people who, for more than half a century, have managed our international affairs and our military-industrial complex.... What is distinctively modern abut the Council these days is the considerable involvement of journalists and other media figures who account for more that 10 percent of the membership."

posted 11-25-2000 06:16 PM            

That IS the oldest reference/documentation to media control that I've seen! I remember the movie Citizen Kane based on the life of William Randolph Hearst and his publishing empire. The most memorable quote from the whole movie was when the main character played by Orson Welles said in reference to his newspaper(s), "We'll tell them what to believe!!"

Have you heard that ABC is/was owned by Capitol City Corp which is/was a CIA front company. ABC was (among other things) responsible for inflicting us with Rush Limbaugh in the early '90's, and more recently "Politically Incorrect" w/Bill Maher. These 2 shows and personalities would seem to be diametrically opposed on issues, but it's interesting to note that they've both come out publicly against the 2nd Ammendment. It's clear to me that both of them are disinformation specialists (whether they know it or not). Media entities, like politicians do what they are told by monied interests.

I think the fact that they both have worked for a CIA controlled network is not coincidental. It seems that they are part of a media/govt attempt to cause as much conflict among the American population as possible....keep us off balance and at odds, "divide and conquer". The thing about so many corporations in control of the media, stock market, and politicians is that they are international. I just heard that Daimler-Chrysler will soon lay-off thousands of American workers at factories here in the U.S. and that their aquisiton of Chrysler is now viewed as a hostile take-over! Smith & Wesson, now owned by a British company submitted to the Clinton administration after legal threats and promises of goverment purchases to scare American gun makers into cooperating. This is an example of a foreign country helping to re-write the US Constitution with the help of an American president!!

I don't think that traditional American beliefs and values are really of any importance to these corporations.

There's a lot of things going on. It's fascinating to watch it unfold. I wish I were wrong about this, but we humans and apparently our "leaders" are as fallible and as susceptible to greed and corruption as anyone else. I believe that history does repeat itself and that nothing lasts forever, but I hope the U.S.A. does not become any more authoritarian than it has.

We should not be afraid, but I believe it's high time to break down certain government agencies and open them up to the light of an investigation of our own. JFK suggested that in the '60's. There have been senate subcommittee hearings of corruption, (including the conclusion that JFK was killed as part of a conspiracy), but if the media doesn't report it, we never hear about it, until the Internet anyway. People have become like sheep. A lot of people believe that if they didn't see it on TV, then it couldn't be true!

Communication about conspiracies through the internet is so refreshing after years of garbage fed to us via electronic/print media of the past/present.

C-SPAN seems to be the only legitimate news organization available?

posted 11-26-2000 02:04 AM            

These are the lines of trails brent, that I refer to,ahemmm to the left (thin)....

"I am confused about this sentance..."You know brent you have been posted on a few boards,ever thought for minute that the FEDS are the ones on your side ?"

Simple, have you ever thought that "chemtrails" as promoted is nothing but a device to test the public ?

Naturally brent, most chemtrail promoters are able to do things the average guy would not have the money or resources to do....

organic milk is pretty darn good...

I believe that answers your query...

BTW I am not 'truthseeker'.....some have said I am the devil....not really...but I am very dangerous to those who wish to purport lies....

I have very specific views....

posted 11-26-2000 03:21 AM            

Awesome post! Please, never apologise for getting on a soap box. We need more people to get up and scream the truth from coast to coast. I did not know about the CIA front organization and I must say, that I agree with all your points. C-Span might be the best source for information, I can think of none that are better. Anyways, it is nice to know that others here are not fooled by the media puppet show.

posted 11-26-2000 03:28 AM            

Sorry I got your name wrong. This is a pretty embarassing mistake. About the picture.....did I take that? If yes, where was it posted? I don't remember that particular photograph, but with over 2,000, it's hard to remeber them all. What do you thing the significance of the "thin" lines are? It does seem strange, why aren't they like the others?

I am still a little confused by your clarification. You said......."Simple, have you ever thought that "chemtrails" as promoted is nothing but a device to test the public ?"

"Naturally brent, most chemtrail promoters are able to do things the average guy would not have the money or resources to do...."

Test the public in what way? What things are chemtrail promoters doing? The only thing I am aware of really, is the creation of many websites. Many "average" people have the resources to do this.

I guess I really need to have this spelled out for me. Sorry I am not picking up on this.

Brent

posted 11-26-2000 11:07 PM            

Referring to the pic...

>why aren't they like the others?<

I don't know, and would like to....

>Test the public in what way? What things are chemtrail promoters doing? The only thing I am aware of really, is the creation of many websites. Many "average" people have the resources to do this.<

I'm not going forward, for now with this,there is much more to come, but dis-agree with your last sentence, most don't have the time and money brent....

Hey, forget about the name thing...I been called worse....

posted 11-26-2000 11:18 PM            

Sorry should have put this in brents response..

>Interesting, Seeker, I thought you were maintaining that Chemtrail promoters were hoaxing, now you are suggesting they might be part of an organized test of the public, or was that just the Chemtrails themselves? Please clarify...<

This gets hairy, I will say this,and add a few words to your text to explain :

>now you are suggesting they might be part of an organized test of the public's perception, gullibility, influence to act.

That's all for now Thermit, I want to be completely prepared and backed up.

And now for something completely different :

posted 11-28-2000 11:08 PM            

John Swinton, the former Chief of Staff for the New York Times, was one of New York's best loved newspapermen. Called by his peers "The Dean of his Profession", John was asked in 1953 to give a toast before the New York Press Club, and in so doing, made a monumentally important and revealing statement. He is quoted as follows:

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar weekly salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

RICHARD M. COHAN, Senior Producer of CBS political news said: "We are going to impose OUR AGENDA on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that WE choose to deal with."

RICHARD SALANT, former President of CBS News stated: "Our job is to give people not what they want, but what WE decide they ought to have."

NORMAN THOMAS - For many years the U.S. Socialist Presidential candidate proclaimed: "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing what happened."

HERMAN DISMORE, foreign editor of the New York Times from 1950 to 1960: "The New York Times is deliberately pitched to the liberal (socialist) point of view."

WALTER CRONKITE: "News reporters are certainly liberal (socialists) and left of center."

BARBARA WALTERS: "The news media in general are liberals (socialists)."

posted 11-29-2000 01:06 PM            

Seeker,

That is some an awesome animation of a huge CME. I believe that it is very possible chemtrails are being laid to protect us from the Sun. I also believe almost all other theories are posible, but this one has always held a particular fascination for me.

Are you aware of this patent?

US3899144: Powder contrail generation

Light scattering pigment powder particles, surface treated to minimize inparticle cohesive forces, are dispensed from a jet mill deagglomerator as separate single particles to produce a powder contrail having maximum visibility or radiation scattering ability for a given weight material.

What is claim is:
1. Contrail generation apparatus for producing a powder contrail having maximum radiation scattering ability for a given weight material, comprising:

a. an aerodynamic housing;
b. a jet tube means passing through said housing, said tube means having an inlet at a forward end of said housing and an exhaust at a rearward end thereof;
c. a powder storage means in said housing;
d. a deagglomeration means also in said housing;
e. means connecting said powder storage means with said deagglomeration means for feeding radiation scattering powder from said powder storage means to said deagglomeration means;
f. the output of said deagglomeration means dispensing directly into said jet tube means for exhausting deagglomerated powder particles into the atmosphere to form a contrail; and
h. means for controlling the flow of said powder from said storage means to said deagglomeration means.
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US03899144__

posted 11-30-2000 12:50 AM            

"You can't save the world, Brent, just take personal responsibility for you and yours and prepare for the worst possible scenerio. The truth will always get suppressed to fit someone else's agenda."

No offense, but this sounds kind of like a defeatist attitude. I think Brent should be commended and encouraged for his drive. Fear is the enemy. Disinformation specialists rely on it to suppress the truth. The world needs more people like Brent, TS, Thermit, you and everyone else who dares to stand up and ask questions.

But don't let them scare you. Though it may not seem like it, in the end they always lose. I believe that there is a higher power who is a great source of courage and strength. It's up to YOU to decide which way to go, not someone telling you how to think. You don't have to save the world, but you sure can make a difference if you work together and pray for direction without killing yourself in the process!
__________________________________

Brent & Seeker,

That patent sounds like the real deal!

It sure sounds encouraging. Maybe definite proof of a chemtrail delivery system?

posted 11-30-2000 01:34 AM            

Most people are not aware that there is a war going on, several conflicts at once, within U.S. and foreign intelligence agencies. The Internet really is a battleground of information and disinformation. It's also been happening in organized media communications for decades as far as I can tell, maybe centuries. But it's been a losing battle with television because of the profit motive. But now there's the Internet.

It's all about control, like it always has been. Like that old song "Everybody Wants to Rule the World".

I know about the CFR thing, but I also believe that no one, no man-made entity or organization is infallible or omnipotent, as much as they believe they are and would like you to believe they are.

I think that being active on the Internet is one of the best things you can do. We're really lucky to have this and I'm grateful to whoever or whatever is making it happen. The fact (or my understanding), that it was created for military intelligence communication applications tells me that some of these people will never quit and they have a real sense of duty and anger about the injustices that have been going on worldwide for such a long time. No amount of money can buy them off. They are determined and motivated.

It couldn't be happening without help from higher places. Remember that you are not alone, not by a long shot!

posted 11-30-2000 02:27 AM            

Asking questions is most healthy,we have to ask them and know our own limitations in interpreting the answers....somewhere in the balance lies the truth...

I have specific views and most of them don't reflect the intensions of this board but my partisianship is not set in stone and is most definately open to new ideas,the contrail generator patent was posted on Michael higgins board a long time ago, I do not think that's what has been seen, I also think maybe Deb has merit in speculating what we see is the by-product of "cleaner air" or the result of some of the air quality regulations being enforced inconjuction with a higher amount of air traffic....

Contrails are artificial clouds in the sense that they would not be there if not for man....and to think that this would not in a minute way influence the weather is short sightedness....whether it be mitigating weather,or radiative forcing in the upper atmosphere....contrails do affect our environment....visually more than anything....

Here's my book :

Contrails do not help or hinder sickness

Contrails do spread make X's grid's and white out the sky

Some contrails look much different than others

Number three is where I'm at right now and do as much as I can to figure it out.

>I know about the CFR thing, but I also believe that no one, no man-made entity or organization is infallible or omnipotent, as much as they would like you to believe that they <

Defender, I could not agree more....

posted 11-30-2000 02:47 AM            

I am definetly not convinced of any theories being the correct one. I still believe weather modification is the most likely, but I have not ruled out any theories or combination of theories.

I find the patent interesting, especially since it would have several different applications, including influencing the weather.

posted 11-30-2000 09:11 AM            

I knew that someone would make that comment. Defender, let me make it clear that I fear nothing except God Himself. And that is a good fear. My statements about personal responsibility are based on life experiences. I was born in 1952 and have seen alot; the education continues and I take nothing for granted. I personally find it unproductive to speculate and assume the worst surrounds me without preparing for same. A man's days are measured from sunrise to sunrise. I choose not to be an activist for an unproven idea such as chemtrails. I choose to support truth, justice and the American way, sans U.N. or communist interference. My approach to the issues is not the same as Brent's, your's or anyone else. But I am hardly a defeatist.

>"I think that being active on the Internet is one of the best things you can do.<"

It's easy, it's fun and can be done anonymously from the comfort of your home, right? If we got hit with an EMP, bio-bomb, nuclear bomb, civil war, economical crash, natural disaster, etc., I wouldn't want to be wondering why I allowed myself to waste time on the internet instead of taking steps to accrue and maintain resources. I have been active on the net as well as locally on certain issues I feel strongly about. Again, hardly a defeatist. The Internet is the most impersonal forum available and a great distractor from the significant.

posted 11-30-2000 10:31 AM            

quote:

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The Internet is the most impersonal forum available and a great distractor from the significant.

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That can be true, but not necessarily. The internet is a tool, and it depends on how each individual uses it. The most significant thing to me relates to spirituality and I have been able to use the internet in ways that have assisted me in understanding and focus, etc. in that regards, however the internet has also, at times, been a distraction. So it cuts both ways, it isn't the tool, it's the person and how they use the tool.

posted 11-30-2000 11:50 AM            

I don't mean to sound too confrontational. There is a personal element lost in non-verbal communication, (message icons notwithstanding!). For what it's worth, I believe that the higher power I mention is a benevolent God and that this entitity is omnipotent, infallible and loving. I think nodebbunker and I have a difference of opinion/belief here in that I don't believe God should be feared.

And I could not disagree with you more on this statement;

"The Internet is the most impersonal forum available and a great distractor from the significant."

I don't mean to sound like I am pigeon-holing anyone (maybe I do sound like that?), but I don't want Brent to think I am making it sound like he is convinced of any single theory, like CFR because of a comment he might have made. I personally believe that CFR may really be at the root of most problems, (in fact I'm even open to the possibilty that world affairs are influenced by extra-terrestrial/supernatural powers like those mentioned in Bramleys, The Gods of Eden!).

I am also open to many ideas including the possiblity that chemtrails are a good thing, but my approach to this chemtrail phenom is from a socio-political & historical viewpoint. In light of the tremendous number of crimes against U.S. and world citizens by elements of organized government and splinter-groups alike, (that I believe have been proven and are not a source of speculation), I choose to take the view that the chemtrail phenom is malevolent. There certainly seems to be evidence that it is. But as I said, the Internet is a battlefield of ideas, information and disinformation as we all know. It's good to communicate this way because we do often have a tendancy to find an idea and stick with it without questioning it's authenticity.

Like most of us, I don't know what chemtrails are, but I am convinced that someone knows, and it's obvious that the people who do know are keeping it a secret. Criminal activities usally ARE kept secret, so I think it is clearly appropriate to look at this with a certain amount of suspicion.

You might say that I am playing the "devil's advocate". I think I'm justified in approaching it this way to see if there are links and common denominators as there so often are when it comes to organized crime activities.

I'm very wary about being lulled into a sense of security by those who might try to downplay the possible negative implications that these chemtrails may hold for us. There are many debunkers who are part of the problem when they do that. At the same time, I am wary of people who I percieve to be engaged in fear-mongering, blind-siding, side-stepping and all of the other strategies employed by disinformation specialists and "debunkers".

Nodebbunker, since when does being active on the Internet preclude someone from being a community activist?

posted 11-30-2000 12:29 PM            

Here's the first I saw of the Powered gizmo....

>From: John M. Novak
Date: Thu Jul 20, 2000 9:37pm
Subject: US Patent for "Powder contrail generation"
http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?pn=US03899144__

US3899144: Powder contrail generation

Inventor(s): Werle; Donald K. , Hillside, IL
Kasparas; Romas , Riverside, IL
Katz; Sidney , Chicago, IL

Applicant(s): The United States of America as represented by the Secretary
of the Navy, Washington, DC

Abstract: Light scattering pigment powder particles, surface treated to
minimize inparticle cohesive forces, are dispensed from a jet mill
deagglomerator as separate single particles to produce a powder contrail
having maximum visibility or radiation scattering ability for a given weight
material.

What is claim is:
1. Contrail generation apparatus for producing a powder contrail having
maximum radiation scattering ability for a given weight material,
comprising:

a. an aerodynamic housing;
b. a jet tube means passing through said housing, said tube means having an
inlet at a forward end of said housing and an exhaust at a rearward end
thereof;
c. a powder storage means in said housing;
d. a deagglomeration means also in said housing;
e. means connecting said powder storage means with said deagglomeration
means for feeding radiation scattering powder from said powder storage means
to said deagglomeration means;
f. the output of said deagglomeration means dispensing directly into said
jet tube means for exhausting deagglomerated powder particles into the
atmosphere to form a contrail; and
h. means for controlling the flow of said powder from said storage means to
said deagglomeration means.

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