posted 11-29-2000 01:24 PM            

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Subject: [OT]Overheard Chemplane Transmission
Posted By: synap (Registered User)
Member Since: March 4, 2000
Total Posts: 1773
Posted At: 11/27/00 5:20:08 pm
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FWIW just overheard a mil airjockey on 143.250mhz (Airmil freq & over area south of Tucson AZ) warning his cohort in another plane to "watch where you're flying...do you want this to show up on the internet?...in and out of the clouds!" (sheeesh, I didn't have the recorder on and don't have a cam)

At the same time commercial ATC (ABQ Ctr) was routing commercial traffic widely around the area and pilots where objecting strongly! with comments like "yeah, we see what they're doing..." and a few other choice words.

From the altitude and wind/cloud direction, I'd say these (overhead here) trails were headed to MX and SES TX where they'll catch the winter NW wind river to mid-TX

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Subject: Re: [OT]Overheard Chemplane Transmission
Posted By: synap (Registered User)
Posted At: 11/27/00 6:06:09 pm
From IP:

Jimmy--yup 133.0 ABQ Ctr is what my log sez I heard that on. The comm pilots don't usually quip back at the ATC controller on the main freq but after they tell ATC that the diversion wasn't good for them, ATC said "do it...'restrict'" and that's when ATC gets the flame I mentioned.

I've had the VOX running since but nada.

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Subject: Re: [OT]Overheard Chemplane Transmission
Posted By: synap (Registered User)
Posted At: 11/27/00 7:30:22 pm
From IP:

Y2K--I heard the chems on the 143.250 which I have as mil air to air. Mil land mobile also uses and has been heard here using that freq.

Yup, checking my FEMA freqs list I see it's also listed as a FEMA input to 139.250. Haven't figure that yet, I think it's a split RX/TX? or into a mil repeater?...not sure.

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posted 11-29-2000 01:29 PM            

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RadioEng: Registered User
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My only comment on this is that the frequency of 143.250Mhz is assigned to FEMA and isn't a military assigned frequency for aircraft use. But in todays world and the track record of FEMA I guess anything goes.

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posted 11-30-2000 06:44 AM            

They are also dumb enough to say the code name of the operation in the open, even though there is no reason for a pilot to know the code name of the op.(cloverleaf)

They are stupid enough to "spray" at low altitude in daylight.

They are stupid enough to "mark" where they are spraying with huge symbols "written" in the sky, when we have GPS.

They can't get thousands of personnel to take a simple vaccination without a huge protest. ("Take this shot son, it's good for you.", apparently didn't work.)

They could not cover up the Iowa incident despite one hell of a try and a captive crew.

But still they have concealed a huge chemical / biological spraying operation, and have total cooperation from the personnel, even though they are spraying their own families.("Just spray this stuff son, it's good for you.", apparently this worked.)

posted 11-30-2000 12:20 PM            

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They are stupid enough to transmit in the open.

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You said it.

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They are also dumb enough to say the code name of the operation in the open, even though there is no reason for a pilot to know the code name of the op.(cloverleaf)

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Nobody mentioned any codenames in this instance. I think you must be refering to the chemplane transmission hoax.

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They are stupid enough to "spray" at low altitude in daylight.

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I've never seen or seen any evidence of low altitude spraying.

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They are stupid enough to "mark" where they are spraying with huge symbols "written" in the sky, when we have GPS.

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What?? Really don't know what you are talking about here...

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They can't get thousands of personnel to take a simple vaccination without a huge protest. ("Take this shot son, it's good for you.", apparently didn't work.)

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Since the citizenry comprised more than a few "thousand personnel" I suppose you talking about the anthrax vaccinations? Don't understand your point.

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They could not cover up the Iowa incident despite one hell of a try and a captive crew.

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Huh??

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But still they have concealed a huge chemical / biological spraying operation, and have total cooperation from the personnel, even though they are spraying their own families.("Just spray this stuff son, it's good for you.", apparently this worked.)

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Well, (if real) they haven't really concealed it now have they. And if the purpose is biological inoculation I'm sure they would be proud and happy to spray their families.

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Still not even close to believing in them.

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posted 11-30-2000 04:02 PM            

The Navy went to great lengths to blame the U.S.S. Iowa's turret explosion on a supposedly gay sailor's suicide, including fabricating evidence and making false statements. Including having the media believing and printing the Navy's version of events for quite a while. Navy personnel would not accept the story provided by the Navy, and questioned the official version. That's how the truth got out. Despite the fact that the Navy had control over almost all of the witnesses.

If they can't get a few privates to believe that they should take a shot without questioning it, an Air Force chemspray op that is accepted whole hog defies belief. Someone would question the operation, particularly in light of the morale in the military these days.

Marking their "spray" areas to watch for "spray dispersal" or effect is IDIOTIC! The pilot only needs to note the GPS coordinates of his "spray" for that area to be observed by satellite or by any other means. You would only have to point your sat camera at the pilot's logged GPS marks. Or note activity on the ground around those same coordinates to check for effect. "They" would already know the wind conditions in the area "they" were spraying with certainty. This would leave no telltale sky writing and would be much more accurate.

"No Lieutenant, we don't need the GPS or the wind data, we're just gonna make a giant Roman numeral 3 with the spray and try to watch where it blows."

Yeah, right!

Still no sale. Still can't believe "Chemtrails" are even contemplated by anyone.

Why are people still using Thomas as a source? Didn't the EDB debacle ruin any credibility he might have had?

Maybe I need to stop banging my head against this wall. It will feel so good when I stop!

posted 11-30-2000 06:48 PM            

Thermit...That thread would make a good comic book. I will let Duncan tell you why again. This is a quote from one of his previous posts.

(1) The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence. The President; Congress; SecDef; Director of the FAA; the entire command structure of the various armed services; every military man or woman who flies, maintains, fuels, and overhauls aircraft; every commercial pilot and crew member; every meteorologist; and every aerospace engineer who builds, sells, modifies, or maintains the entire fleet of worldwide commercial aircraft comprise a group of about half a million people. Every one of them would have to be in on the plot. And in the X number of years that this "chemtrail" stuff has been going on, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has come out and said anything about it! What is the chance of a plot that requires the help of a half-million people being secret for more than six milliseconds? Zero.

posted 12-01-2000 07:20 AM            

You have no evidence whatsoever that Maxygen is involved in "shamtrails", yet you continue to insinuate that they are. That is most unfair.

The air in most modern jet airliners is NOT filtered when it enters the cabin. It does not get filtered until it has circulated a few times. The cabin air in a 747 is only about 50% filtered and 50% fresh air at any given moment, so passengers ARE exposed to chemicals in the atmosphere. Who started this "filtered air" garbage anyway? If you want a sample, all you need to do is ride in a 747, or better yet, one of the new 717's that uses 100% fresh cabin air. Take a jar with you. The cabin air is filtered in the same manner the air in your house would be filtered if you bought a HEPA air cleaner. It is gradually filtered as it circulates, but not when it enters.

I have never seen a pilot take off without doing a walkaround of his plane. He would immediately notice any new attachments, and he wouldn't be fooled by any cover stories.
He would need to know about the spray tanks, as their changing weight has to be accomodated to keep the plane from crashing.
You can't just tack on a tank in any old place. The CG is too important. So, again, you are insinuating that Boeing is involved without any evidence whatsoever. I really hope someone begins to spread rumors about you being involved in illegal activities. Perhaps then you would see how unfair it is. And, I hope they don't let you respond to the charges either, or they put your response on page 31 down in the corner.

When I was in the Army, you could not have gotten me to spray, pour, or sprinkle anything on anyone without my questioning it. I did not have to obey orders that violated the law. I have always been a bit nosy, and would have been asking lots of questions, I can't believe even a few thousand people would not have a few nosy busybodies amongst them.

posted 12-01-2000 10:03 AM            

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Thermit, your half dozen planes are really getting around! Wow! And for years too. They are "spraying" in every state in the union on the same day according to chemtrail reports. Don't forget the rest of the world and the oceans, too! Those are really good pilots, man!

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That's pretty weak. I never said it was only six planes, I said six planes can cover a lot of ground. I see you continue to take the most rediculous interpretation you can to argue against.

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You have no evidence whatsoever that Maxygen is involved in "shamtrails", yet you continue to insinuate that they are. That is most unfair.

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I never said Maxygen was involved in Chemtrails. Statements regarding Maxygen are simple reporting of facts.

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I have never seen a pilot take off without doing a walkaround of his plane. He would immediately notice any new attachments, and he wouldn't be fooled by any cover stories.

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Weak. Weak. Weak. You seem to be dredging up the idea of commercial pilots being involved with some operation without their knowledge. I have never espoused such an idea. If you and I are having a debate, why do you keep debating points that I don't subscribe to? I guess it's because you are not interested in honest debate. Even Elvis has come up with better arguments.

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The whole idea is utterly ridiculous.

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posted 12-01-2000 12:34 PM            

This is a chemtrail board and much of the chemtrail community is far more fanatical and radical in their beliefs than you are. However, you do associate yourself with them, so you also promote their ideas whether you actually believe them or not. I am glad that you are not too "ban happy", although it would be good for me.

Would you be proud and happy to "biologically inoculate", whatever that means, your family without saying a word? How many people do you think you could get to go along with you before they began to question?

Since biowar agents can be changed radically at a moment's notice, how would "they" know what to give you to spray on your family? It sure would be embarrassing to spend "X"-million dollars to inoculate the whole country against "A" and then have the enemy shoot "B" at you! Especially since the enemy will likely shoot quite a few different ones at us at once. They will not rely on 1 to do the job of disabling us.

Why would "they" inoculate the oceans?

You cannot conduct flight ops willy nilly without consulting the FAA. Even MARSA requires prior written authorization. So how are "they" avoiding collisions or near misses with the multitudes of commercial aircraft (If you think commercial aircraft aren't involved, that is.) without involving thousands of FAA personnel?

My half-dozen planes comment was tongue in cheek. I am well aware of what you meant by your original comment. I don't agree that 6 planes can cover a lot of territory, though. 6,000 wouldn't cover the reported territory on all chemtrail sites.

posted 12-02-2000 02:31 AM            

Odd that this type topic would 'resurface' under these conditions....

162.525 is our local amature radio noaa band for weather alerts....

I have heard f-14's above talking but not very far away, right above head....

It was cool the pilot said "going up to 21"...then went straight up and did what we call here as a U-ee......

posted 12-02-2000 06:39 PM            

I would like to hear Thermit's answers to these 2 questions you posed.

1. "Since biowar agents can be changed radically at a moment's notice, how would "they" know what to give you to spray on your family? It sure would be embarrassing to spend "X"-million dollars to inoculate the whole country against "A" and then have the enemy shoot "B" at you! Especially since the enemy will likely shoot quite a few different ones at us at once. They will not rely on 1 to do the job of disabling us."

2. "Why would "they" inoculate the oceans?"

posted 12-03-2000 12:16 AM            

Thermit...Today's realities are you don't spray millions of tons of inoculates into the wind at 30,000 feet to vaccinate the United States of America. That's absurd.

Anthrax vaccine is delivered in 6 PRECISE injections over a period of weeks. One screw up and forget it. HOW THE HELL DO YOU DO THAT FROM 30,000 FEET?

To make matters worse, you are suggesting they mix and spray a batch of vaccines to cover all the possible combinations of bio warfare. That is unthinkable, and theoretically impossible to accomplish.

If this is your only theory as to why chemtrails exist....welcome to the debunkers forum.

posted 12-04-2000 12:04 PM            

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That's your opinion. Just because you call it absurd doesn't mean it's not true. Many improbable things are true. For example, there is this lizard that shoots blood out of it's eyes in four foot streams as it's last defense against attackers. Scientists dismissed reports about this lizard for years for obvious reasons. But, lo and behold, it turned out to be true. It was true the whole time, even when scientists refused to even consider it. The people making the claims didn't have proof (i.e. videotape), but yet they were absolutely correct.

I don't have all the answers, but the truth will come out eventually, what ever that may be, no matter how improbable it may or may not be. So don't get yourself too worked up in the meantime.

posted 12-04-2000 12:18 PM            

Sorry but I wasn't asking you about lizards.

Anthrax vaccine is delivered in 6 PRECISE injections over a period of weeks. One screw up and forget it. HOW THE HELL DO YOU DO THAT FROM 30,000 FEET?

posted 12-04-2000 12:23 PM            

In the last two years why has no one come forward with a diffinative clear evidentiary video tape of "spraying" ?

posted 12-04-2000 12:42 PM            

Unfortunatly, it is subjective whether chemtrails are abnormal from contrails. So, what would constitute proof?

If you have ever a ring around the entire sun, you might think that maybe we aren't crazy. These rings do not show up well on film, but they are something to see.

I still don't understand why people find this so hard to believe. Just by examining all the contrail testing done by NASA, I think , more people should realize that they didn't do all that testing without a reason.

Anyways, it is a fair question, unfortunatly I don't have a good answer. i have a question for you though.......

How come wgen Minneapolis was sprayed for months by the military, from trucks and rooftops, why didn't people notice. Also, why did the military deny using fluorescent lights to examine school children, then after one brave woman gathered statements from many of her class mates, the military finally admitted the truth?

Why do so few people care about the aerological spraying of American cities with biological agents? Why aren't more people screaming for investigations? The Government has admitted to three experiments, San Francisco, Minneapolis and New York subway. How many more were there?

Why are people so closed minded?

posted 12-04-2000 12:51 PM            

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Anthrax vaccine is delivered in 6 PRECISE injections over a period of weeks. One screw up and forget it. HOW THE HELL DO YOU DO THAT FROM 30,000 FEET?

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The first three shots are given in two-week intervals. The following three shots are administered at 5 to 6 months after the previous dose. The program also includes an annual booster.

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25 monkeys vaccinated with 2 doses.
Challenged with anthrax aerosol 8-38 weeks later
All Survived

10 monkeys vaccinated at 0 & 2 weeks
Challenged with anthrax aerosol 2 years later
9 Survived

10 monkeys vaccinated only one time
Challenged with anthrax aerosol 6 weeks later
All Survived

20 monkeys vaccinated at 0 and 4 weeks
Challenged with anthrax aerosol 10 to 20 weeks later
18 survived

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http://www.anthrax.osd.mil/Site_Files/vaccine/vaccine_info.htm

As you can see a single shot has been shown to provide measurable protection (lack of death) for the highest order animal that has been tested. So now that I've shown that it is not as precise as you preport, the only question is how can they vaccinate from the air. The answer would be low-concentration relatively continuous exposure.