posted 01-01-2001 04:26 PM
IF YOU ARE SO STUPID, THAT YOU DON'T REALIZE THE POWER OF THE US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, I SUGGEST YOU DO SOME FLIPPING RESEARCH!You can start here, with the spraying of citizens in San Francisco and Minneapolis. This was kept secret for decades, before being released. There were many other similar experiments, according to Dr. Cole, which are still secret. How many were there? How many cities were sprayed? What was sprayed?
Minneapolis was sprayed for two months, by truck and from cannisters on rooftops. The Army went to the elementary school, which was one of the targets, and used a fluorescent light to check all the students for something. The Army kept denying that they did this, even after the spraying itsself was admitted to. They would not admit the use of these fluorescent lights until one brave woman gathered many statements, from many of her classmates, all agreeing that this procedure was done. Then the army finally came forward and admitted that yes, some testing was done with fluorescent lights on students.
If you want to know the truth about this, please buy one of the best documentaries I have ever seen, or at least watch for it on the History Channel.
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HISTORY UNDERCOVER presents a shocking look at the top-secret experiments conducted by the U.S. Military on human subjects. Some were exposed to radiation without their knowledge. Others were the test-beds for the effectiveness of bio-toxins, chemical warfare or dangerous drugs. In the name of "National Security," the truth about these experiments was hidden for years. But as DECLASSIFIED: HUMAN EXPERIMENTATION shows, in many cases they were conducted for far less pressing reasons.
Filled with disturbing interviews with those who took part in and administered these projects, this is an eye-opening examination of one of the strangest chapters of the Cold War, and an unflinching indictment of government at its worst.
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SO HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK WERE INVOLVED IN ALL THESE SPRAYING EXPERIMENTS?
Kind of hard to guess when we don't even know how many experiments there were, let alone details of all the experiments.
For more recent proof of a MASSIVE coverup, all one has to do is research TWA 800. The number of people involved in this coverup is staggering.
Some people will just never "Get It!"
What If You Lost a Loved One Aboard TWA 800, would you care enough to do a little reading?
I have made numerous challenges, at numerous discussion boards, for people to research this one topic, TWA 800, and tell me they don't believe in Conspiracies and don't believe that the media is controlled. The info, just at twa800.com, is enough to make people suspect that we have been fed a bunch of crap from the mass media. If you really, really dig into TWA 800, you will be 95-100% convinced of a cover-up.
Anyone want to prove me wrong? Anyone want to research this and accept my challenge? http://users.erols.com/igoddard/witness.htm
Since the two most credible eywitnesses(my opinion), each viewed a different streak heading towards TWA 800 and they each viewed two seperate explosions. I would say that it seems that the most likely scenario is, either a US anti-missile test gone awry, or a succesful interception of a terrorist missile that detonated too close to TWA 800 and a piece of shrapnel pierced the center fuel tank.
The two most credible witnesses were both National Guard helicopter pilots who were in the air at the time of the trajedy. IF YOU HAVE NEVER DONE SO, PLEASE READ THEIR WITNESS STATEMENTS.
Why have we never seen them interviewed on television? Actually, I saw an interview with one of the pilots, last year, he appeared soulless as I watched him spin his earlier statements. It was sad, I could see a man who had given up. Only one witness interviewed on t.v., occuring 6-7 years after the tragedy took place. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?????????????
PLEASE READ THIS, if you care at all about the truth, please.
I have inculded the first 10 of twenty, OF THE MOST CREDIBLE,eyewitnesses. There were many other witnesses, their statements are also available, if anyone cares about the truth.>Brent http://users.erols.com/igoddard/witness.htm
1) Major Frederick Meyer
Major Frederick C. Meyer of the New York Air National Guard’s 106th Rescue Wing was piloting an HH-60G “Pave Hawk” helicopter over the Gabreski airport at the time of the TWA 800 accident. [1] At a press conference the day after the crash, a reporter asked Major Meyer, “What about what you saw, can you describe it?” Major Meyer replied:
“What I saw was, my first reaction was curiosity.
I saw something that looked to me like a shooting
star. Now you normally don’t see a shooting star
when the sun is up. It was still bright. It was
probably just at the moment of sunset, and the sky
was very bright. We hadn’t reached nautical twilight
yet, and I saw what appeared to be the sort of course
and trajectory that you see when a shooting star
enters the atmosphere. Almost immediately thereafter,
I saw, in rapid succession, a small explosion then
a large explosion.”[2]
After he made such public statements about a streak of light heading toward and impacting the plane, the FBI moved quickly and placed a gag order on Major Meyer, prohibiting him from speaking to the media. As NYANG Public Information Officer Major James Finkle told the Westchester Weekly, the FBI ordered Major Meyer and the HH-60G crew to “say no more to the media.” [3]
When the gag order was temporarily lifted, Major Meyer told the publication Aviation Week & Space Technology that when the streak of light impacted TWA 800 there was “a hard, very sudden, yellowish-white explosion that looked identical to the detonation of an antiaircraft shell.” [4]
When we add that observation to the trajectory Major Meyer illustrates, which shows a curving trajectory inconsistent with that of a meteor, we can see that his early suggestions of a meteor are implausible, and with his “antiaircraft shell” observation in Aviation Week, I think he also knows that.
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[1] Researcher Tom Shoemaker has established that this location is not compatible with other claims by the NYANG: http://www.webexpert.net/rosedale/twacasefile/jolly14.html
[2] New York Air National Guard, 106th Rescue Wing press conference, July 18, 1996.
[3] Westchester County Weekly: Interested Parties. Robert Davey, December 26, 1996, p. 8.
[4] Aviation Week & Space Technology: ANG Pilot: Jet Hit by Object. D. Fulghum, March 10, 1997.
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2) Captain Chris Baur
Captain Christian Baur was the copilot aboard the HH-60G helicopter piloted by Major Meyer, which the NYANG now claims was over the Grabreski Airport at TWA 800 crash time. What Baur saw was unknown for eight months after the TWA 800 accident because the FBI placed Baur, along with Meyer, under a gag order prohibiting freedom of speech by Baur. It was not until the March 10, 1997 issue of Aviation Week & Space Technology that the world learned about what Captain Baur had told investigators regarding the events that he witnessed on the night of the TWA 800 accident. Aviation Week reported [4]:
Maj. Frederick C. Meyer, pilot of an HH-60 helicopter
from the ANG’s 106th Rescue Wing, has just been freed
from an FBI gag order preventing him from giving inter-
views about the 1996 disaster off Long Island, N.Y.
The copilot, Capt. Christian Baur, remains under FBI
restrictions not to speak about the accident. But two
officials familiar with his testimony told Aviation
Week & Space Technology in detail what he told
investigators...
According to the two officials who have heard both
pilots’ accounts, Baur, on the left side of the cockpit,
saw a streak moving from left to right toward the app-
roaching TWA aircraft before the initial explosion.
“Almost due south [of the helicopter], there was a hard
white light, like burning pyrotechnics, in level flight,”
Baur told investigators from the National Transportation
Safety Board, FBI and a Federal anti-terrorist task force.
“I was trying to figure out what it was. It was the wrong
color for flares. It struck an object coming from the
right and made it explode.” [4]
It is interesting to note that while Meyer saw a streak traveling from right-to-left, Baur saw a streak traveling from left-to-right. Both saw a streak of light traveling unlike a flare or meteor that impacted TWA 800. The difference in directions could be the result of the suddenness and shock of the event causing a confusion of exact details, or it could be that two missiles struck TWA 800. In fact, not only does Major Meyer believe that to be the case, but it’s standard procedure to deploy two missiles to intercept targets. For example, the Iranian Airbus that was shot-down by the U.S.S. Vincenes was hit with two Standard Missiles. Furthermore, as we shall see, some witnesses report seeing two rockets streak toward TWA 800.
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[4] Aviation Week & Space Technology: ANG Pilot: Jet Hit by Object. D. Fulghum, March 10, 1997.
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3) Colonel William Stratemeier
According to initial New York Air National Guard reports, Colonel William Stratemeier, Jr. was piloting the New York Air National Guard’s C-130 aircraft in an area called “JAWS” near the TWA 800 accident on July 17, 1997. Aviation Week & Space Technology reported that the pilot of the C-130, who was Col. Stratemeier, “said he had seen what appeared to be the trail of a shoulder-fired SAM [Surface-to-Air Missile] ending in a flash on the 747.” [5]
In the next issue of Aviation Week, however, Col. Stratemeier had a different story, saying: “We did not see smoke trails [from a missile], any ignition source from the tail of a rocket nor anything that illuminated the sky.” [6] While Stratemeier changed his story, Meyer and Baur did not, and as a result Meyer and Baur were hit with gag orders while Stratemeier was not.
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[5] Aviation Week & Space Technology: Terrorist Fears Deepen With 747’s Destruction. E.H. Phillips, P. Mann, July 22, 1996, page 20.
[6] Aviation Week & Space Technology: ANG Eyewitnesses Reject Missile Theory. David Fulghum, July 29, 1996, page 32.
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4) Sven Faret
Sven Faret, a pilot of 27 years with over 3000 hours flight time, was flying over Riverhead, Long Island with his friend Ken Wendell on the evening of the TWA 800 accident. He was flying at 8,500 feet about 17 miles from the accident. In his report he states that a “short pin-flash of light appeared on the ground, perhaps water.” Moments later he witnessed the cataclysmic explosion of TWA 800.
I asked Sven if this “pin flash of light” rose upwards vertically from the surface, and he confirmed that it did. He noted further that it was “like a rocket launch at a fireworks display,” and that its point of origin was “near the shoreline or in the water.” [7] [8]
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[7] http://www.erols.com/igoddard/sven.htm
[8] Full report: http://www.webexpert.net/rosedale/twacasefile/aviator.html
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5) Vasilis Bakounis
Vasilis Bakounis is an engineer and pilot employed by Olympic Airlines. At the time of the TWA 800 accident Bakounis was on a descending course heading toward a landing at Gabreski Airport. As he told the Greek publication Eleftherotypia [9]:
“Suddenly I saw in the fog to my left toward the
ocean side, a small flame rising quickly toward
the sky. Before I realized it, I saw this flame
become huge. My first thought was that it was a
flare that had been launched from some boat —
possibly someone lost at sea looking for help.
This flame then started to quickly lose altitude
and a few seconds later there was something like
a second explosion, where the fire increased again.
“Remembering this scene in my mind several hours
later, I thought that it looked like the flare
had left some boat and then, due to malfunction,
the parachute that holds it up, so that those
who can come to help will see it, had caught
fire. But the weather conditions did not allow
for those trains of thought at that moment.”
“For a Few seconds I thought I would have to
change course and proceed south toward the
direction where I had seen the fire in the sky.
But I was already at a very small distance from
the airport with a single engine plane and very
poor visibility, and below me was the Atlantic
with its sharks... So I thought it was more
sensible to land, and five minutes later I re-
ported what 1 had seen to the airport authorities.”
The last five accounts of what fits the profile of a missile more-so than any other phenomena, are all the accounts of pilots, who are “trained observers,” and therefore the accounts of pilots are considered to be “highly credible” by definition. Yet even with witness reports of a rocket-like steak of light from five pilots, federal authorities insist that there is “no evidence” that a missile hit TWA 800.
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[9] Eleftherotypia. Greece, August 23, 1996. By Aris Hatzigeorgiou.
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6) Tom Dougherty
On July 17, 1996 round 8:30pm, Tom Dougherty of East Quogue, Long Island, was on Fire Island in front of Dockers Restaurant when he heard two loud booms. He turned around to look for the source of the booms and to the southwest he saw a flame shooting up into the sky. As he told me during an interview:
“I saw a whitish red-orange flame go up and explode,
then it came down in a shower of different colors.
It was definitely a flame. It looked like fireworks
going up, like Grucci fireworks. It was going away
from us, to the south. I saw it go up and it almost
disappeared and then I saw this glow in the sky.
Then one piece fell, it just flopped out. It might
have been the nose section. And then a couple seconds
later, maybe 3 or 4 seconds, that’s when the whole
thing came down. I wouldn’t have even looked there
if it hadn’t been for that flame coming off the ocean.”
Dougherty said that the source of the upward streaking flame was to the southwest of his location. Describing the trajectory of the rising flame, he said: “It went up part of the way then it shot the other way, and then it corrected itself,” continuing on an overall curving trajectory until the initial explosion. He indicated that this slight course correction in the trajectory occurred about 1/3 of the way up.
Dougherty was about 1/4 of a mile from the beach and could not see the sea. After TWA 800 had fallen to the sea, Dougherty ran to the beach to see if he could determine where the missile came from. Once around the sand dune that blocks the view of the ocean, he saw nothing on the beach or in the water. He noted as have most others that there was a fog that evening that limited visibility to around 6 to 8 miles.
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7) Paul Runyan
Paul Runyan, a retired Grumman worker, was attending a weekly event at the Yacht Club located on Union Avenue along the north shore of the Great South Bay, Long Island. He was sitting with friends on a picnic table around 8:30, when, as he told me during an interview: “I saw what looked to be a rocket, fireworks, or something going up and at the end there was a big explosion followed by a big ball of white smoke. Then something started to come down. It was just a flame, then it broke into three parts.” When I asked him if the rocket had an exhaust trail, he answered: “Yes, like a big fireworks.”
Runyan also told the New York Daily News: “It looked like a big skyrocket going up, and it kept going up and up, and the next thing I knew there was an orange ball of fire.” [10] Runyan was also interviewed by the Suffolk County Police Department.
When I asked him about the location of the rocket, Runyan said, “From where I was sitting it came from the southeast.” The beach-front dunes blocked his view of an exact launch point. When I asked him if the others in his group had seen the rocket he said: “Of the group, I was the only one who said they saw something going up. Some of our people were over at the beach and they saw something going up, but they won’t admit it.”
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[10] New York Daily News: Probers Slam Flight 800 Missile Story. By W.K. Rashbaum, J. Ruthenberg, and P. Schwartzman, 11/09/96.
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8) Roland Penney
Roland Penney is a Long Island resident who told Newsday (9/1/96) that he saw a steak of light rising upwards that looked like a “Grucci firework,” which left a “thin white line” trailing behind it. He asserted that “It was something going up that hit that plane.” His son Randy was sure that “whatever it was, it had something to do with the plane crash.” When I interviewed Roland Penney I discovered that after he witnessed the accident he went out in his boat hoping to rescue survivors, but alas, there were no survivors.
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9) Phyllis Torney
Suffolk County Police Department reports state that on July 17, 1996 between 8:00 to 8:35pm, Phyllis Torney was on a private boat proceeding in a southerly direction entering Mt. Sinai Harbor, Mt. Sinai, NY, on the north shore of Long Island when Torney saw what appeared to be an “orange flare” rise just above the tree tops to the southeast of her location. Torney also saw an explosion estimated to be about 20 miles to the southeast.
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10) Darell Miron
Suffolk County Police Department reports state that on July 17, 1996 Darell Miron was walking near the dump station next to the Smith Point Campground front office, when he observed “a white streak moving skyward” to his southeast. Miron said that the steak was moving to the south. Miron could not determine how far away it was or if it came from land or sea. At the apex of its trajectory the streak burst into a puff of white smoke and then yellow sparks. Orange flames then descended into the water in two columns.
Of possible significance, Miron also told the SCPD that there was a ship or boat in the area of the incident the night before. The craft stayed in one spot for a long period of time.
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