posted 01-10-2001 03:49 AM            

Any truth fellas...

Dear Seeker,

It's truly a sad thing I have to tell you tonight. It has been confirmed
that "Thermit" is a bold faced liar who can never be trusted to tell the
truth ever again.

As you knew, at the carny-com board, on December 29th, "Mark Sky" called for
his cohorts to begin a campaign to have my website deleted. http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=3954.topic

They got riled up because I posted at my website a message from "Mark Sky"
that still remains on "Thermit"s messageboard. The message gives "Mark"s
chemtrail theory, that aliens are responsible, yada, yada.
What really went on in their minds was embarrassment being associated with
that idea. http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000171.html

In the message he actually invites me, saying,"So now dearElvis {and the
jay~seeker machine} Feel free to broadly paint me with your "Kook~brush" for
I have given you the ammunition you need to fire upon me will you
immeadiately discredit or will you copy this to a data base like "theseeker"
does and fire it out 11 months later?"

Well, nothing happened for about a week, but I can imagine the lies they
must have told my service provider, Fortunecity, probably included that I
was a murderer, or any worse criminal they could think of. Maybe they even
used Carnicom's spam machine and fired out "hundreds or thousands" of
emails. One day last week, my website was gone, my passsword and username
was no longer valid, and Fortunecity won't respond to me anymore.

You, know, Seeker, what they did was sort of like burning down a person's
house, a house I built by hand piece by piece, but it wasn't just that that
bugs me still, it's the hate they show against me expressing myself, and
their stop-at-nothing censorship, while they profess to love freedom. I
guess I was right when I called Thermit a Nazi, because I actually thought I
could straighten this out by writing him, and so I did.

I asked him directly if he played a role in destroying my website.
At first he acted like he didn't know what happened, but when I asked him
again, he said,

"I see.
I'm sorry that this has happened.
I did provide Mr. Sky with a link to your page
about him, as I thought he had a right to know.
Would you not agree?
The loss of your website was never an intention,
I did not participate in any email campaign."

Well, "Thermit" turns out to be a bold-faced liar.

I know because someone more honest than he is and who knows exactly what
went on informs me that "Thermit" is the one who started the whole campaign,
he gave the order the day before Mark promoted it at Carnicom's, on Dec.
28th, and supplied the email address for Fortunecity, he even supplied the
quote from the terms and conditions that they planned to use against my
site.

And of course, Thermit's little part asking "Would you not agree?" is just a
liar's technique for distraction. "Thermit" knows damn well you posted the
link to the webpage I made about "Mark Sky" at his own messageboard a week
before, and pointed it out directly to Mark then.

So, when I first came across "Thermit"s webpage last year, it looked like he
might actually be willing to get to the truth. When he banned all debate to
a separate forum, I got pissed and left. And how about this, during the last
week while they were all plotting to destroy my website, he kept sending me
registration acceptances to begin posting again at his messageboard, four
times in all. But when I wrote nice posts, they were never accepted. When I
asked him if he was ever going to let me post again he told me I was banned,
so I guess he was just taunting me with the emails.

I'm sure some people will say what he did wasn't really so bad, and maybe
it's OK to lie to Jay Reynolds, since they all hate me anyways for showing
them the truth. Heck, they said the same thing about Clinton when he got
caught with his cigar in the wrong place, too. Some people still love him to
death, even after he lied to their face, huh?

But as for me, I can never trust the guy, for anything, or anything he says,
ever again, maybe he's been lying to us all the time, or will try to lie
about all this. I can almost guess which ones will stand by him still, even
after being a proven scumbag liar.

I give you permission to share what I've told you here with anybody else,
anywhere you like. I know you seek the truth as much as I do, and will do
the right thing. The truth conquers the lie, effortlessly, like a bulldozer
over saplings. Liars stand no chance.
They always lose.

Jay Reynolds

PS: I also hereby announce that instead of one website to destroy, they will
soon have three to deal with, and double that soon after.
I will never be silenced by these nazi jackbooted thugs.
*******************************

Chit hit the fan....?

posted 01-10-2001 08:47 AM            

I can affirm that these are Jay's words and that he is more relaxed when writing to individuals. Since Jay is no longer allowed to post here, how would you expect him to confirm this in his own words?

It's not coincidental that Will Thomas, Carnicom and their counterparts feel strongly enough about "chemtrails" to pay for, maintain and keep chemtrail websites. These chemtrail websites have several purposes and have served their (web) masters well. Said websites have attracted the small percentage of the Internet public that would be vulnerable to the power of suggestion, which is their intended purpose. This is what they are counting on. Their agenda has snowballed by copy-cat websites, and like good gossip, the power of suggestion peppered with endless but unproven possibilities and misdirected good intentions of the followers becomes truth in the minds of the vulnerable.

This is an ages old human fraility that has been worked, reworked and over worked through recorded history. It is conducted on large scales and small scales, systematically, through phases and objectives to reach a goal. Every human is born with this natural ability, but most people don't realize how it works or that it exists. This is exactly what makes them vulnerable to the manipulation of those who understand it's workings. It has a name.

Jay Reynolds doesn't need anyone to come to his defense, nor do I for that matter, or Seeker or any one who understands what I'm stating here. But those originating the chemtrail issue who claim to stand up for truth, justice and the American way participate heavily in censorship. They ignore, dismiss or ban any one who is counter-productive to their objectives, therefore, the copy-cats follow suit.

I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend yout right to say it. If it makes you feel better to attack me personally, then have it. It fortifies me.

posted 01-10-2001 09:18 AM            

Mr. Reynolds has a long history of Internet abuse related to the chemtrail issue, including intrusion into people's PRIVATE lives via e-mail, and is well-known to the community of people involved with this issue. The appropriate action has been taken in this case, and I, for one, am going to contact FortuneCity and thank them.

posted 01-10-2001 09:54 AM            

Aw, Jay, you used to called me "Dear" too, even after you called me a Nazi. So disingenuous.

It's truly a sad thing I have to tell you tonight.

Not for you, you know you love this.

It has been confirmed that "Thermit" is a bold faced liar who can never be trusted to tell the truth ever again.

Not really, of course, most debunkers felt this way already.

As you knew, at the carny-com board, on December 29th, "Mark Sky" called for
his cohorts to begin a campaign to have my website deleted.

I didn't see any mention of "website deletion". It was only the personal attack, that was offensive. This site has never condoned personal attacks.

They got riled up because I posted at my website a message from "Mark Sky"
that still remains on "Thermit"s messageboard. The message gives "Mark"s
chemtrail theory, that aliens are responsible, yada, yada.
What really went on in their minds was embarrassment being associated with
that idea.

Maybe it was calling Mark "The Drunken Chemtrail Poet Laurate", or the other insults. Really sad Jay. Why don't you stick to science, instead of the personal attacks?

In the message he actually invites me, saying,"So now dearElvis {and the
jay~seeker machine} Feel free to broadly paint me with your "Kook~brush" for
I have given you the ammunition you need to fire upon me will you immeadiately discredit or will you copy this to a data base like "theseeker" does and fire it out 11 months later?"

Searching for justification?

Well, nothing happened for about a week, but I can imagine the lies they must have told my service provider, Fortunecity, probably included that I was a murderer, or any worse criminal they could think of. Maybe they even used Carnicom's spam machine and fired out "hundreds or thousands" of emails. One day last week, my website was gone, my passsword and username was no longer valid, and Fortunecity won't respond to me anymore.

I doubt that anybody said you were a murderer, it was probably just the personal attack.

You, know, Seeker, what they did was sort of like burning down a person's house, a house I built by hand piece by piece,

Except that you keep a backup of your site on your computuer, so it isn't really like a house at all. Just reupload the files.

but it wasn't just that that
bugs me still, it's the hate they show against me expressing myself, and
their stop-at-nothing censorship, while they profess to love freedom.

I don't know about anybody else, but I don't hate you and feel that you should be able to express yourself, which no one can stop. Unprevoked personal attacks are called slander and not protected by law, or morality.

I guess I was right when I called Thermit a Nazi, because I actually thought I could straighten this out by writing him, and so I did. I asked him directly if he played a role in destroying my website. At first he acted like he didn't know what happened

Which I didn't.

but when I asked him again, he said,
"I see.
I'm sorry that this has happened.
I did provide Mr. Sky with a link to your page
about him, as I thought he had a right to know.
Would you not agree?
The loss of your website was never an intention,
I did not participate in any email campaign."

Which is all true.

Well, "Thermit" turns out to be a bold-faced liar.
I know because someone more honest than he is and who knows exactly what
went on informs me that "Thermit" is the one who started the whole campaign,
he gave the order the day before Mark promoted it at Carnicom's, on Dec.
28th, and supplied the email address for Fortunecity, he even supplied the
quote from the terms and conditions that they planned to use against my
site.

I thought the personal attack was quite pathetic, and in my indignation did supply the address and quote. I didn't give any order, or make any request of anyone. There was no intention for Jay to lose his site, the more appropriate response of Fortunecity would be to ask that the slander be removed from the page. If I had known the final outcome, I might not have even mentioned the insulting page. Although I guess I would want someone to let me know if someone was attacking me.

And of course, Thermit's little part asking "Would you not agree?" is just a
liar's technique for distraction. "Thermit" knows damn well you posted the link to the webpage I made about "Mark Sky" at his own messageboard a week before, and pointed it out directly to Mark then.
I actually wasn't, and am still not, aware of this.

So, when I first came across "Thermit"s webpage last year, it looked like he
might actually be willing to get to the truth. When he banned all debate to a separate forum, I got pissed and left. And how about this, during the last week while they were all plotting to destroy my website, he kept sending me registration acceptances to begin posting again at his messageboard, four times in all. But when I wrote nice posts, they were never accepted. When I asked him if he was ever going to let me post again he told me I was banned,
so I guess he was just taunting me with the emails.

Great spin Jay, you really are good. After your own self-imposed exile, you demanded in an all-caps message that your profile and password be removed from my site. Which I did not want to do, because it meant corrupting a datafile. But I did so. I couldn't believe you wanted to come back after the insults hurled as you left. Anyway, you banned yourself by having me remove your password. Thanks for leaving out the part where I explained that your were not being taunted, and that I didn't know that you were receiving the multiple emails, and how I apologized that this had occured. Thanks.

I'm sure some people will say what he did wasn't really so bad, and maybe it's OK to lie to Jay Reynolds, since they all hate me anyways for showing them the truth. Heck, they said the same thing about Clinton when he got caught with his cigar in the wrong place, too. Some people still love him to
death, even after he lied to their face, huh?But as for me, I can never trust the guy, for anything, or anything he says, ever again, maybe he's been lying to us all the time, or will try to lie about all this. I can almost guess which ones will stand by him still, even after being a proven scumbag liar.

Good excuse for dismissing my research. Very clever.

I give you permission to share what I've told you here with anybody else, anywhere you like. I know you seek the truth as much as I do, and will do the right thing. The truth conquers the lie, effortlessly, like a bulldozer over saplings. Liars stand no chance. They always lose.

What about slanderers, what happens to them?

Jay Reynolds

PS: I also hereby announce that instead of one website to destroy, they will
soon have three to deal with, and double that soon after. I will never be silenced by these nazi jackbooted thugs.

posted 01-10-2001 10:09 AM            

In Ireland, we had a line: "I looked at the fence, and what did I see? My bicycle...stolen".

posted 01-10-2001 01:30 PM            

Also,it was from mr. sky's own pen calling himself nuts...friggin' nuts....now thermit how can that be slander when he did it to himself.....?

Deborah, I bet you are in favor of burning books too ? outlawing anything you don't like...?

Sceptic, >how do you go to a website and find it removed<

are you dense man ???

let me show you :
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/mnemonic/1879/

go there and find out....

You guys are a strange bunch...

posted 01-10-2001 02:07 PM            

quote:

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...I would say he was notified

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Wish I had seen that before, but I didn't.

quote:

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Also,it was from mr. sky's own pen calling himself nuts...friggin' nuts....now thermit how can that be slander when he did it to himself.....?

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I never mentioned that particular insult. I don't think that mark sky gave himself the title "The Drunken Chemtrail Poet Laurate", that was Jay's own handiwork, wasn't it? Anyway, just because someone has the humility to be self-depreciating doesn't give everyone else the license to do so as well.

quote:

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posted by theseeker in another thread:

I guess you fellers would rather sling mud, than research....if that's your perception of the truth so be it....

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What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander,
But then why does Seeker support Jay's slander?

posted 01-10-2001 10:23 PM            

>I never mentioned that particular insult. I don't think that mark sky gave himself the title "The Drunken Chemtrail Poet Laurate", that was Jay's own handiwork, wasn't it? Anyway, just because someone has the humility to be self-depreciating doesn't give everyone else the license to do so as well.<

I don't know how long you have been around, but I have seen on several boards mr. sky refer to drinking while posting, not to mention cutting up pills to look like little airplanes ?....I could dredge them up...but I know and that's enough...

>What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander,
But then why does Seeker support Jay's slander?<

Geeze Thermit...trying to drum up support to get rid of my website ?....well I don't have one...yet....but I will pay for one to eliminate this type of "kamikaze" silencing tactics....

Thermit, Jay has never taken one of my threads and destroyed it with 40 pages of 'coffee house' pabulum....or verbally assaulted me...or lied to me for that matter.

Sorry I side with Reynolds on this one....

BTW, Thermit...if someone did this to you I would feel the same way, it's not politics...it's ideology

I will close with a quote from don (wisequakker) :

"To place one's trust in those who have a lengthy history of trying
to slip past with bald-faced lies is just plain stupid."

regards

posted 01-10-2001 11:39 PM            

So if Thermit took it upon himself to notfiy Mark Sky that he was being slandered on Jay's website, and Mark made a personal plea on Carnicom's messageboard for activism against Jay, and others supported the effort to complain to ForuneCity, then can we assume those registering the complaint did it on behalf of the real Mark Whateverhisnameis, because they know without a doubt who Mark is, exactly where he lives, his business, his family, etc. and this information would defame him in some personal way? Even though Mark's(if that's even his real first name) real name was never used nor did the writer know who he really is, more or less the reader, how does that constitute slander?

Or were you thinking this opinion of Mark Sky as presented by Jay Reynolds would defame him amongst the chemtrail community, the only place Mark Sky is known in relation to Jay Reynolds?

This is not the same thing as when Vec posted a fake newspaper article about Clifford Carnicom. Now that was slander.

But yet, the same chemtrail community who daily, shall we say, expresses their opinion by written word, and accuses agencies such as the United States Air Force and The EPA of covering up crimes against citizens, are appalled when someone states his opinion of them. You are fortunate enough to live in a country where you can speak out against your government, but God forbid someone says anything about you.

Do us all a favor - when the real trouble comes, stay home.

posted 01-10-2001 11:51 PM            

Indeed, the trouble may be here soon...putin is apparently lying about deploying nukes in areas of russia that has been forbidden by treaty....

tsk..tsk

posted 01-11-2001 12:44 AM            

Will Jay ever find happiness after the chemtrail withdrawal symptoms wear off?

Will cy quit his office job and go back to driving trucks or cleaning carpets?

Will seeker ever get his head free...and if so will his colon retract to normal?

Will Thermit pass the lie detector test when asked what really happened to Jay's web site?

Will Deborah move to the country and never look up again?

Will sceptic become a born again optimist?

Will Mark Sky ever reveal his true identity?

Will the housewife from Indiana win an Emmy for her Documentary on "Flight Explorer Made Easy"?

posted 01-11-2001 01:01 AM            

happy belated birthday

posted 01-11-2001 03:03 AM            

~ cha ~ der commissar