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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 02-19-2001 04:16 PM
   
 Note that one group is contrailing, and one isn't. The heights would be indistinguishable from the ground. Thanks to our old friend LTC8K6 for these submissions. 
To me these images illustrate the value of a tool like Flight Explorer to determine which planes are what and what altitude they are traveling at. My current research would not be possible with out such a tool. (Thanks C-Deb!) 
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 02-19-2001 04:21 PM
One thing to add, using Flight Explorer, I've also seen that the contrails at different altitudes can vary greatly during the same time period. For example, you might see 15 second contrails at 37,000 ft. but see 15 minute contrails just below at 33,000 ft.
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cydoniaquest
nobody
nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 02-20-2001 01:36 AM
I tell you Mark....If anything could make me re-think my view on chemtrails.....this photo might just be it! I didn't even realize that piston aircraft could produce contrails like that....let alone that thick. If debunkers are smart, they'll want to hold onto this photo. It's a keeper.Still, there are so many other anomalies in other photos...that I'm not convinced either way. The stop and start trails..and many other of the "chemtrail identifiers", like the one I saw descend to ground level on a hot June day, have not yet been explained to my satisfaction.
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n4wind
New Member
Benicia, CA USA
11 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-20-2001 12:56 PM
During airshow maneuvers, pilots inject diesel into their craft's piston engine. It emerges partially burned leaving a white trail. Question: is the diesel injected into the intake or the exhaust side of the engine?
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Phil
Senior Member
Wisconsin
30 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 02-20-2001 01:24 PM
Yes we know that heat causes contrails. But do they persist?, these photos do not show enough sky to make a determination. what did catch my eye in the first pic, is the beautiful natural clouds, when was the last time you saw clouds like that?------------------
Best Wishes Phil
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 02-20-2001 01:36 PM
 As LTC8K6 points out, there is nothing new about persistent contrails. We've had 'em for decades. Of course the persistence is dependent upon the engine type and running conditions, the temperature and humidity at flight altitude. It isn't a black and white situation at all. I've started on a Myths page to clarify some of the misconceptions I've heard regarding contrails. My research shows that verified genuine contrails in my area have had persistence of up to 25 minutes. This isn't very common, but it can occur. Most contrails in my area are in the 5-20 second range. Even though, I've measured some highly-persistent trails at over 5 hours, I've never observed a verified contrail with the same persistence. That combined with the fact that the highly-persistent trails are only observed coming from flights that don't show up on Flight Explorer indicate to me that the military is involved in some large-scale operations over the city for more days than not for the days where the sky not overcast. What are they up to? That is all people observing this phenomena want to know...
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mark sky
bin Rydin
SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 02-22-2001 12:27 AM
Yes, this is all very nice, and we would all love it to know that "all that is happening" is "just some non government organization"
takeing over the world.
What a relief...
all they want is to control the fronts and starve out the real people that really grow your food.
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cydoniaquest
nobody
nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 02-22-2001 12:38 AM
During airshow maneuvers, pilots inject diesel into their craft's piston engine. It emerges partially burned leaving a white trail. Question: is the diesel injected into the intake or the exhaust side of the engine?N4Wind, I always thought it was a type of parafin they injected into the intake manifold to get the white smoke. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong). I would think diesel would produce black smoke if injected into the intake, and present a fire hazard if injected into the exauhst manifold.
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Deltastarr
Senior Member
Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
16 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-22-2001 03:35 PM
Wow! Those WW11 Pictures of planes and trails are interesting and a "surprise" to me...haven't seen pics quite like that before! I wish I could feel at ease now and say to myself...The trails not a worry afterall! I have been "researching" these trails for almost 2 yrs. now and taking pics of same and have web-page at DS-4 thanks to my colleague Izakovic, and am "avid" sky-watcher for many reasons, and have observed some "disturbing" scenarios in reference to the chems. It seems they make folks sick with nasty "flu-like" illness, (I've had 3 bouts of that). They produce particles and "angel-hair" strands at times. The content of trails often cause burning of eyes, dry throat, skin irritation, and myriad of other symptomolgies. Also, very anomalistic behavior of "chemplanes", I"ll explain more later...hubby pestering me to go somewhere. Have had chemplane actually "buzz" neighborhood, low-altittude of 1,200 ft or so, poring chem spray out of left side of plane, 3 observations of chemplanes following one exactly behind the other...aerodynamically, this is not possible for jets, basic physics of it tells the turbulence, , disturbance, and lack of O2 to occur from first jet would knock second one out of air...they are so low altitude, so close almost look attached but NOT refueling procedure!!! Some very odd black jets in area at times but mostly probable Boeing type 707 E-6 Tacamo Navy planes witnessed...could go on but go for now...will get back about it though...Thanks, Deltastarr
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cydoniaquest
nobody
nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 02-22-2001 04:08 PM
Now I'm not sure if I buy the chemtrail sickness theory (only because I personally haven't had a flu or cold in four years....and I live in Sacramento which is "hit" quite regularly). Had food poisoning.....but I blame that on a Wendy's hamburger, not chemtrails. Still, I keep open to the possibility that chemtrails could be a delivery system for an unknown biological agent, and I do take people for their word that they are getting sick.....just that I don't think we've seen any direct proof (such as lab analysis) for chemtrails as the cause, as of yet.As for the low level flying at 1200 feet....was this over a town or farm land??!! And you say they were dumping a spray of something out the left side?!!! My God!.....Hopefully next time you'll get pictures, Delta!! This would be an offense of the greatest magnitude...it should be in every paper in the United States. Certainly I have no doubt that somebody would snap a shot of this and have it in the local paper. 1200 ft AGL is around airport trafic pattern altitude (jets might actually be at 1500 to 2000 agl on the downwind leg). Are you sure you mean this altitude? And if so, do you live near an airport? I'm sorry, but I have a little bit of trouble believing that "they" would be so bold as to fly at this altitude and risk being seen by thousands, obviously spraying, in blatent violation of several major FAA rules and city laws. Let me tell you something, if this is true what you are saying....then I believe it would be about as direct correlation between chemtrails and sickness as you can get, if the town comes down with something nasty after an event like this. I have trouble swallowing this story because I think there would be nation-wide outrage if this were true....because it would be photographed by someone and in some newspaper somewhere. Even a rougue government is not going to be able to supress a whole town or city! If it happened in LA though (Los Angeles)...I guess they could say that they were just shooting a movie and nobody would notice. ADDENDUM: Ok, I see by one of your other posts that you live next to an AFB. I think this explains a lot.
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Deltastarr
Senior Member
Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
16 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-22-2001 08:06 PM
Hi Cydoniaquest, I'm sorry hubby pestered and I had to leave posting un-finished as I can certainly see where I left ya "hangin in the wind" more or less with my posting. Clarification ahead for you, hopefully. Where to begin, Firstly, I gotta tell you, I really live in "the sticks", country/woods area of NW Louisiana. What few neighbors we have actually are having a bad time of it health-wise. Yikes, I have so much to explain here...I am very much out-doors person so notice a lot of the "chem" scenario. The few neighbors DON'T notice much sky-wise or "plane-wise" as we are about 15 miles away from a SAC Base. It is not unusual for actual air-force planes to fly well below the limit so no one thinks much about planes period. I can prove even B-52's fly TOO LOW via pics. Have one pic at DS-4 of B-52...they sometimes fly at "tree-top" level. Complaints to base accomplishes nothing. Had a gal pal go to base about the problem plus ask about chemtrails and I guess that's where she went wrong...MP's copied her drivers Liscense and escorted her off. Her brother in FAA and other relatives in DEa, NTSB, etc. No one says zilch about any of it. Have had helicopters so low, tree leaves blow off...no recourse, denials is about it. Actually, I did take a picture of 2 Jets breaking every FAA "reg" you can imagine,...Firstly, very low altitude, one EXACTLY behind the other, same altitude of 1,800 -2,000 ft., NOT a refueling operation, very low "noise" ratio for size and height of planes, area of sky clear though "chems" in distance. I got my trees in the pic as point of reference to help discern plane body, height, etc. Hubby ex-military also witnessed and was very perplexed. Pics developed. Should have been perfect pics as the "visual" was very good to the naked eye for both of us, yet pics of two "craft" (planes), barely visable while trees and sky clear and perfect. Submitted pics to investigation and also to my web page of colleague Izakovic at DS-4. Haven't heard from either. I hope he has equipment to enlarge or "clean-up" image and post it as it could be proof of something anomalous or otherwise. What few neighbors down the road we have, all have had several "flu-like" illnesses, one 6 yr. old girl has cancer now and just learned a lady nearby, 6 mos. pregnant, is carrying dead baby and has to have induced labor. May I ask your age? Don't have to answer but heres one reason...the chem problem seems to affect the very young, old folks, or those with compromised immune system. I have GulfWar Illness, so that could factor in, I suppose. Can't get clear answer as VA or Military docs will not admit to Mycoplasma pathogen from war anyway or DU problem. My colleague in Croatia has testimony to the fact of "chem-illness" to folks also. There has been mention of lab tests done in reference to contents of chems but it is true, there have not been tests made of actual spray as it is being spewn into the air, which would be the optimum scenario! I assure, I tell true observations and info as I personally percieve them and of course, there is always room for error and never pays to be closed-minded when researching and I hope I am not guilty of that. I have much more about the subject and especially about the unusual charactersitics of the planes I've observed and hope to address any and all inquiries from anyone to the best of my knowledge and capabilities! I agree, people should be concerned and irrate but it is amazing the apathy I encounter from local Media, can write congressmen, Military, whatever, and so far, no good result. I hope you are physically fit and well and stay well. You are fortunate in that! There has even been some theory that perhaps certain people may have a "pre-disposition" to particular chemicals or pathogens, much as in the GWI scenario and the GWI vets share my frustration, as no one acknowledges a problem there also. I truly hope there is no "sinister" agenda or purpose to the chems but as I always say, in reference to it all, I hope for the best, but sometimes expect the worst! I'd LOVE to be wrong on this one...Hopefully, not DEAD wrong! Blessings and take care. P.S. The 2 planes I mentioned, so close they looked almost attached, , same size and altitude...I know just from basic physics and common sense that jets cannot behave that way as the thrust, lack of O2, turbulance and atmosphereic disturbance caused by first jet would "knock" second plane out of air! Aerodynamically, , it is not correct scenario...yet "visual" was so low, clear, and witnessed by hubby also, cannot explain or understand what was witnessed. I hope that pic gets put out for my page...God, I get so frustrated by it all. I know what I am witnessing, have 139 I.Q., (not a little ole lady in tennis shoes in a trailer park married to my brother and such). To lie about a matter that may be of significance or consequence to many people would be un-thinkable! I can give more detailed info about possible planes involved when requested. Bye, Deltastarr
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Moose
Senior Member
Fargo, ND
24 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 02-22-2001 08:44 PM
Deltastar, I am very interested in your anamolous sightings re the spray planes. I'm not sure I agree with your claim that these planes could not fly close together: witness the Blue Angels in their sky-hi-jinks. Of course I did not see what you and your spouse witnessed, so please take that into account.
I saw a huge plane fly low over Fargo, ND, last summer. A friend who was with me and knows aircraft, was unable to id the plane. I trained my binoculars on it, and was unable to get it into focus clearly for some reason...it was a clear day and this behemoth was flying relatively slowly, so I had time (and lots of practice) to sight in on the thing, but no joy. Strange.
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Deltastarr
Senior Member
Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
16 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-22-2001 09:02 PM
P.S. again...Can't keep a "good" woman down. Anyhow, Husband and I have had government and military affiliations for years, lived near air-bases and being originally from N.Y., Phillie, and N.J. area near major airports, know what we are observing and not apt to "jumpimg" to conclusions or making "bad" I.D. visual of craft and craft behavior. We are not "happy campers" in reference to the airforce planes flying too low but you know something, they can do as they please...One of our concerns is the contents in the fuel of Ethyline Dibromide and "other" possibly harmful ingredients in the jet fuel, to say nothing of the "noise" pollution levels, etc. Ever had a B-52 fly so low over your house, your glassware rattles,?...to say nothing of your teeth! The Airforce is not responsible for the spraying...I believe they have an interest in "weather Control" by the year 2025, as any branch of the military would...these are not airforce planes! They have commercial style bodies but have been refitted for "other" purposes, upgraded engines, perhaps hush kits, and foriegn registry and used by unknown faction for unkown agenda. Navy has Boeing 707 E-6 planes..anyway...Have witnessed way too many "infractions" and DIRECT violations of FAA "regs" for the planes to be an innocent "operation"! They criss-cross at same altitude, (not mistaking this as many are low-level,) so it isn't that it is an illusion because of distance or a re-fueling operation. Have witnessed at least 4 "near-hits" from these planes flying in an irresponsible and illegal manner. I have pictures, some on web page and more to come from recent days and some of them are most unusual...As for newspapers getting involved, or media of any kind? Been there, done that...guess what? They aren't interested or willing, put it that way, for whatever reason. That is why I hope posting photos will bring something to the fore. I plan to spend more time than ever catching shots and especially of the planes actions. The day the one came so low, it was unusual in that it "roared" and usually don't hear much noise from chemplanes but went low and fast from one stand of trees to the other, we live in woods...I nearly broke my neck trying to get to camera in my office...don't make that boo-b00 anymore! I literally wear the camera around my neck like a necklace...I'll get the shot alright, my chances and opportunities are getting better but do have other obligations and people to consider and help out...it takes a tremendous amount of dedication and perserverance to get involved in research or investigations of any kind if one is going to do the "job" right. And I plan to do just that! Many other people are becoming "aware" and doing like-wise so good or bad, whatever is occurring or not, we'll know one way or the other. It takes a lot of time away from other things and why would anyone bother about it unless they have an "intuition, premonition, "gut feeling" whatever you call it, that all is not well in our skies. I have seen days where so many chemplanes are doing illegal moves and causing S shapes, H shapes, 3 rows of X shapes...not normal flight paths or contrails just going from one airport to another. Some days there are way too many planes to be something as simple as that...one web page has a chemplane actually doing some kind of "roll-over" move creating a really bizarre pattern chemtrail while other chemplanes flying near it in formation, again, against FAA "regs" for commercial craft! The pic is worth a 1,000 words! It's not mine but it's around in archives on either www.sightings.com, www.surfingtheapocalypse.com, or cyberspaceorbit.com. I'm not sure right now and not gonna do the research for now for ya. The pics are clear, excellent, and in-your-face! You say why would this activity be done even in plain view? Maybe the powers-that-be don't really give a hoot! Some days, we go to the city, and the sky IS painted there also and no one seems to care that much as they get into their gas guzzling SUV's, drop the kids to ball practise, order up junk meals and go watch Reality T.V. while the REAL Reality is playing out right over their heads! I REALLY hope what is being done is for the "good" of us all, but no one knows yet. Whatever it is, it dosen't "look" natural and it's not nice to fool with "Mother Nature"! Blessings. D.
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Deltastarr
Senior Member
Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
16 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-22-2001 09:34 PM
Hi Moose, Nice hearing from you and glad to hear of your interest and valid, sensible questions. First of all, I may not have been "clear" in my descrition of the "incident". These were two "big-bodied" planes, similar in appearance to commercial jets but with some differences....low altitude yet very low noise ratio for same, (should have been a LOT more Jet noise for their size and height!) Also, these large size jets were not flying "wing-tip to wing-tip" but directly one in BACK of the other! The nose of the second plane was "up the other ones butt", for want of a better technical phrase. Yes, I have seen the Airforce and Navy Flight Shows and they are quite remarkable but husband has even more military knowledge and experience than I, and he witnessed the event also, and this type of scenario is not the "usual"! Took picture of one similar event and hope to have it up on my webpage that my colleague has going, but you will need your manification feature on your computer and good lighting or magnifying glass...was very strange, as we saw a very good visual on the planes because of the low altitude and no chems in immediate area, yet planes came out "fuzzy", same as your pals pic. Some odd "mechanism" at play perhaps? As planes were low enough where our trees were in picture for point of reference and all came clear except planes! Even if these large jets can perform such a move, it is and should be "illegal" by FAA "regs", so what could they have been up to anyway? Something seems wrong about it. Am not an aeronautics expert, but do know enuf to realise two jet liners possibly Boeing 707 E-6 body model, large jets, can not be one BEHIND the other so close they look connected as the second plane could not withstand the turbulance, atmospheric disturbance, lack of O2 etc. I may be wrong about all that but spouse explained to me the feasibility and it makes sense. No one perfect though, could be wrong. Anyway, even if it is possible, highly illegal, dangerous, and irresponsible of the perpatrators. If the pic can be improved and posted, you will see what I mean...Like 2 jets joined, sure same altitude but one smaller so may look like difference in distance but don't think so. Just picture what I mean, you know how a pet dog will be "right behind" the others behind...crudely put, that's the picture...nose to rear, yikes, what a picture to close with but......Blessings and take care.
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Deltastarr
Senior Member
Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
16 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-22-2001 10:13 PM
Cydoniaquest, One last P.S. Forgot to put your name up above on last posting. Anyway, you say in California, they would be "irate" and making a big fuss about chemical problems and such, as I've described? Talk about synchronicity, just went to another sight and saw where certain areas of Cal. are having 15 million lbs. of toxic chemicals discovered every year and guess what? No fuss yet. These neurotoxin type pesticides and the like are especially being found near 22,000 kids areas of schools near sites of heavy use of toxic pesticides. If there is such "APATHY" there in reference to all that, than the chemtrail scenario could be carried out as a "slam dunk"...and there are folks in California reporting the trails, need more awareness so even more folks will take notice and respond to their air quality and their "skies" and what may or may not be lingering there. Article at www.sightings.com. I'm really, really done tonite. Have a nice nite.
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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL
Level 64
1115 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 02-23-2001 12:20 AM
Deltastarr,Do you know anything about Evergreen International Aviation? I found "Aircraft Experts" forum at this website very interesting. If you have time, maybe you can check it out and see if that makes any sense to you?
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Deltastarr
Senior Member
Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
16 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-23-2001 04:46 PM
defender, Hi again. I tried to find evergreen Int. Aviation but no luck yet but went into FAA site, trying to find the specific "regs" that would apply to the planes hubby and I have observed. Other postings have mentioned various "regs" so from that even, I realise these "chemplanes" are in violation. I guess I got into the "wrong" thread when I posted on this one as I'm already being considered a liar and being rudely informed of that opinion. I wonder why the ones that feel that way post on a chem site. I wouldn't care to post on a site about lawn mower repair as I have no interest in that. Even if I decide to play "the Devils advocate" and say the trails aren't chems and maybe just contrails but reacting "differently" because of changes in the atmosphere or something, that still does not explain why these planes, whoever they are, are allowed to blatantly disregard FAA rules? Defender, I feel like you understand my outlook. Anyhow, I'm done fiddling with this thread so I might as well go out with a bang...one posting said the planes don't show up on "tracking" by his computer investigations from the website that provides info to track air traffic...so that is proof of no chemplanes...maybe they are "Foriegn Technology"...Like the office at Fort Meade represents...what folks don't realize is the foriegn technology devision there is refering to U.F.O.'s. There, now I'm in for it...I have had to drive past the "flight-line" on base almost everyday, have been very near military jets, in them and flown in a few so being near a SAC base has nothing to do with my "chemplane" sightings, as Cydoniaquest infers, like I'm so stupid, I'm just looking at B-52's or "Hedge-hogs", or KC-135's, etc. Sorry for the "rant"...I'm actually responding to the postings of a few others.Bye Defender, and thanx for the kind welcome at other thread. Blessings and take care. Keep lookin up!
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Norrin Radd
Senior Member
92 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 02-23-2001 05:22 PM
Delta Star,I have also had my fill of the people here who claim that chemtrails are normal. Why anyoenw ould work to try to convince people that they are foolish, is beyond me. As you well know, there are thousands of issues worth working towards changing, so debunking chemtrails is really only for losers who do not care about their country, or freedom, or anything except their own ego's. These people are either paid, or they just don't care about any important issues. Anyways, I hope you will stay in touch with me. You are a good person and I am glad I have had the chance to read your thoughts, hopes and fears. Brent
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Deltastarr
Senior Member
Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
16 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-23-2001 08:34 PM
Thanx norrin radd, I appreciate the support and you betcha, I'll keep you up-dated on any new News here that may transpire during my "sky-watching" adventures. I got 2 neat "hobbies" out of the chem research so I like to think about that and accentuate the positive in that regard anyway...I'm finding I enjoy photography and computers. The "chem" curiousity brought me to both of those...and I've met some swell people too, along the way. I really admire all the research and investigations that you present at forums and I've learned a lot that way. Thanx again and keep looking up! J.
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Deltastarr
Senior Member
Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
16 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-23-2001 08:46 PM
Defender and Moose, I wanted to say hey to you and apologize for getting "off track" while posting back to ya'll. "Skywatching" is interesting no matter what transpires...except when a "flock of birds" drop over, literally...ya'll know what I mean. This ole world and sky is really beautiful and I just hope it can stay that way. I hope and pray the sky isn't being ruined in anyway...gotta wonder though, if Project HAARP can actually "lift" our atmosphere...what next? Anyways, Hi ya'll and have a decent weekend, be safe and well, and Blessings! J.
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cydoniaquest
nobody
nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 02-23-2001 09:13 PM
Wow Delta,It will be a while before I digest everything you've written, but I have some time to respond to one thing you say: "Anyway, you say in California, they would be "irate" and making a big fuss about chemical problems and such, as I've described? Talk about synchronicity, just went to another sight and saw where certain areas of Cal. are having 15 million lbs. of toxic chemicals discovered every year and guess what? No fuss yet." You have to understand....I thought you were saying that this aircraft you observed was flying at 1200 feet over a populated area dumping "stuff". If that were the case, I stand by my thoughts. I realize there is apathy....but not THAT much. People would be up in arms......that's why this scenario doesn't happen.....(or at least that I know of), in broad daylight.
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Deltastarr
Senior Member
Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
16 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-23-2001 11:10 PM
A "Heads-up" for you guys...go to http://WWW.sightings.com Talk about MORE synchronicity...there is an article there written about illegal AND bizarre chemplane occurrence that happened right in the center, low at the flight-line of a MAJOR SAC Base...The article is written by a fellow that used to work on base and witnessed this! I would like to be able to reach him...I feel vindicated. If it can happen there, it can happen ANYWHERE!!! READ IT and then re-think maybe. OH YEAH, CYDONIAQUEST...YOU'RE RIGHT>>>YOU DON'T KNOW!!!
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cydoniaquest
nobody
nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 02-24-2001 01:56 AM
But see Delta, you're still talking about occurences that happened over, or within the proximity of traffic patterns of airforce bases. Isn't this what you said? Now if you saw this happen over a city, well then I'd say you might have something that would get people talking nationally. There would most probably be people snapping pictures of an outrageous incident like that. This would also validate the chemtrail theory for sure! There could no longer be any argument that this was possibly a contrail at 1200 feet AGL, and there would be no question they were spraying something! Am I wrong? In fact, I'm not even saying that you are not seeing something significant; You might have even seen a chem-plane on return from a mission to re-load, still dribbling some of its payload.....just that you didn't see these jets overtly spray a town or city at 1200 feet, now did you? I've never heard of a jet spraying a town or city at 1200 feet yet......and it would certainly be a first if this was the case....something that you would definately want to report to the police, the FAA, this board, Carnicom, Joyce Riley....and anyone else who deals with this issue. But if this happened at or around a base, from aircraft possibly approaching to land, it's not quite the same thing is it? Maybe, in this case, we need to ask another question, though: Why would they spray their own?
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Deltastarr
Senior Member
Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
16 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-24-2001 08:04 AM
Cydoniaquest, Last time I'm gonna talk to ya...Why would they spray their own?1) They are being told what they are doing is for the good of man-kind, like mass innoculation via aerosol, helping improve the ozone or weather 2) The airforce isn't doing it so they are not spraying there own and whoever IS may have vaccine against it and if it is a "black-op", those kind don't care about anything anyhow! Now your arguement goes to altitudes because you have nothing else left. I never said chemplanes in the city are at 1,200...In city they are as low as 18,000-20,000...and I know lots of people that take pictures and try to submit to media, it don't happen. Besides, most people don't do so much about anything because they don't care about anyone but themselves! As for FAA, been there, done that...Tried all your brilliant suggestions already! Why do you think I post Pictures and articles on the web? Because that is the only place still "free" and left to reach vast amounts of people. And finally, call the Sheriff to report? These "pot-belly" stovers take 45 minutes to an hour to show up for a B and E, they sure aren't gonna worry about other such events as I state occurred. You sound an awful lot like a "chem-de-bunker" from other chemsites called Jay Reynolds. Anyway, I don't care who you are or what you think or believe as you have a closed mind on the subject and I'm going to keep doing what I do inspite of you or anyone else. Like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about negative aspects to chems, but until we are all sure... Me thinks "You protest too much"! I explain and educate...you manipulate and don't think...if you have kids and what I say is true, you are the one that should at least check it out more instead of attacking and bitchin. I'm done wasting time with this thread...only came back to inform that picture is working now at Rense Site with article..last nite, no pic was up yet. Do what you want, believe what you want...You probably voted for Bush too...New World order probably would do something sinister like mentioned and not give a s##t! Bye, dweeb.
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Deltastarr
Senior Member
Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
16 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 02-24-2001 08:10 AM
For anyone who missed the picture at Jeff Renses Site in with the article about the "chem" event over SAC base, the picture is there today with the article and wasn't yesterday. Worth checking out. The site info again is http://www.sightings.com/general8/xmarksthespot.htm Just www.sightings.com enuf as noticed other chem related articles today also. Well, bye folks, done posting at this thread now as got too much to do investigating and don't want to take away time from that. Bye and good luck.
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