posted 02-28-2001 12:23 PM            

Until the full force of LTC8K6's B-17s was brought home to me, I was favoring the theory that "chemtrails" were part of a weather-modification system that creates cloud cover in order to alter near-surface atmospheric pressure and thus affect the paths of the five kinds of air masses:

Cold and dry Polar Continental (PC)
Cold and wet Polar Maritime (PM)
Warm and dry Tropic COntinental (TC)
Warm and wet Tropical Maritime (TM)
Very cold and wet Artic Maritime (AM)

and redirect ocean currents --even the Pacific currents responsible for El Nino, La Nina and the cholera-causing warm currents of waters in the Indian Ocean-- by creating surface winds to push masses of surface water here and there.

But such a grandiose theory, ascribing so much power and competence to the global elites (rich, powerful, and secretive as they are), and resting on our confidence that chemtrails are fundamentally different from contrails, simply could not be justified if the normal contrails can exhibit the same characteristics as those we have been labeling chemtrails -- i.e., LTC8K6's strong case that the thick persistent trail we see need not be chemically and functionally different from the vapor trails of B-17's or, presumably, of the "stock models" of contemporary jet engines.

But yesterday I saw something that triggered a better theory -- one that takes recent compelling criticism into account and fits all the well-established facts of this phenomenon known to me.

I was outside enjoying the fourth day of crystal-clear sky over Yakima -- old-fashioned Yakima weather, like we have not seen for years! -- when I caught sight of a long thick contrail in the southern sky with a break in it (a gap, caused by some difference in some quality of atmosphere obtaining only in that short stretch of sky in the jet's path), and following along that trail on a close parallel course was a second jet also leaving thick contrail -- exactly what for two years I had been saying was the laying of "Venetian blind" trailing that eventually closes to become cloud heat shields etc. But now I was not thinking that. And then, the second jet, following close beside the trail of the first reached the point in the first jet's trail where the break (gap) occured and, sure enough, when the spot was reached the trail of the second jet also disappeared over the same stretch, so that there were now two parallel tracks with side-by-side gaps begining and ending at the same air-patch boundaries.

The critics were right. What is strange is not the contrails (except for the volume and patterning in recent observations), but the condition of the atmosphere with respect to
condensation through which the jets pass. But when I woke up this morning it all came together.

The Test Grid Theory

The cris-cross contrails are a test grid
that is laid out in the sky in order to
see where the HAARP "cloud burner" is hitting.

We know HAARP is involved with cloud dissipation. But how does the military
conduct target practice with HAARP? How can they see that they have successfully heated the targeted spot? They need visible targets and visible results. Also, they probably want to avoid "eating" natural cloud, so they create target cloud -- the contrails we call chemtrail.

They create a grid of contrail around the target area and then they hit the grid with HAARP energies and observe (probably from space) what portion of the grid gets burned away.

If this proves to the the right theory, then we must acknowledge an intellectual debt to LTC8K6.

posted 03-01-2001 12:53 AM            

Your three parallel trails with breaks
occuring side by side resemble the
two trails I saw over Yakima on the 27th.
(By the way, the Seattle earthquake measured
4.2 on the Richter scale here in Yakima.)

You say of the first of the Brookings sequence that "all the bars start and stop where the spray was turned on and then off"
which is how I usually interpreted similar observations in my two years of observing
(and reporting to newsgroups rather than to websites like this one). But how do we know that it was really someone flipping the
on and off switch and not rather the plane
passing through a patch of air too warm and too dry to generate contrail given the temperature and vapor pressure of air leaving the engines?

I am far from denying that the contrails
are part of a secret project and highly
unusual, but I am saying that they do not have to be made of exotic stuff for that to be the case.

What is it about the Brookings series that makes them unusual and suspicious? I say
it is the fact that the three or four contrails were running parallel to each other, not that the gaps occur at the
same apparent location, not that they turn
to cloud, even unusual cloud afterwards.

The photos at
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000248.html

certainly cannot be explained by me. But,
again the fact that catches my attention is the first of the series showing the parallel
deployment -- what happens to those trails afterwards can be the result of any number of natural or HAARPed action.

You say that "not all jets that flying through a given airspace at the same time produce visible emmissions and that you have seen sprayer planes and non-sprayer planes, all of the same general type, cross a space within minutes of each other leave normal trails or not even the hint of a trail and then the next plane leaves a broad mark.

So have I -- but were they different kinds of planes, differently equipped planes?
Certainly that is possible, but it is also possible, despite what you have described, that they were identical planes and engines
and fuels. How do I figure?

We look at a region of blue sky and from the ground it looks tranquil. But even clear sky can be rapidly ascending, unstable, even
turbulent. (And yes it can be relatively still too.) SO perhaps the plane that left normal trail and the plane that left no trail and the plane that left a thick chemtrail, perhaps they only appear to have crossed the same parcel of air. But maybe
the ambient air was invisibly replaced by air with completely different contrail-supporting characteristics (humidity, temperature, pressure).

THe streaking smurf is beautiful. The
jeting arms remind me of mare's tails
which occur when cloud slowly decends
into faster moving air below -- yet on
the streaking smurf the tails seem to be
blowing out in jets from within.

But there can be verticle motion in the atmosphere as well as horizontal. There are
anabatic fronts where the atmosphere around a fron is rising and as it rises cooling adiabatically. As the front moves in and passes by many stages with different kinds of
cloud enter the parade -- los of unstability,
perhaps, over the Pacific near Brookings, involving convection of the warmer waters under the colder air of the polar maritime airstream -- no I really don't know what I'm talking about -- but at least get the idea that MAYBE nature can do a streaking smurf.

The color properties you mention leave me
with no answers. Same with the sundog.

Certainly the "test grid" theory explains none of that. But right now I'd say that the
grid theory plus lots of allowance for nature to be wild as it works on contrail
over several hours may possibly account for what your camera has recorded -- at least as well as the human-pest-control-fumigation theory anyway. (And I do believe in a
dangerous deviant elite with lots of hidden power and arrogance to match.)

Dick

posted 03-01-2001 03:52 AM            

talk a good line
perhaps the real line
we will forget

get a good set of binoculars
and call me back

i am through with talking to the deaf dumb and blind fools

you got to chose if you want to
live in the plastik land
and sell your ALMIGHTY SOUL

or take the truth in hand

one who claimes to have looked and searched
for TWO YEARS
yet comes home to dinner
without even an herb

shall go hungery at my table
cowering in the corner
with the other ubserds

whezzleing into sanity
full of blurbs
with no hope
of taking home a prize

never studying that above
that we know, as the skys

caught in a rain storm
wet from stupidity
dripping at my door
hungery and threadbear
having never looked up

for shame
to come to this site

posted 03-01-2001 10:32 PM            

If LTC8K6 had acknowledged that abnormal
contrailing could be part of the HAARP program -- who knows what opinion
dams might have given way among those
who read but do not post?

You know, not one specialist from the
25 scientific newsgroups I invited to
the clandestineweathermodification
ezboard bothered to visit, much less to
venture an opinion. (And clandestine weather modification is still a far better theory of recent so-called climate changes and of 1990's weather disasters than is "global
warming." Better evidence. Better geophysics. Better sense.)

I am a vain old fart and love
being the center of attention and
controversy. And for that reason
I am a "blind dumb fool" who
has "sold his soul," as Mark Sky
wisely intuits.

And strong second thoughts do
nag me that the "test grid"
theory is vastly insufficient to
account for all those thick trails
throughout the world over these last
several years.

But consider this:

Do you think my wishy-washy "test-grid"
theory set back public recognition of
the chemtrail problem more than does
the instantly polarizing and authority-alienating "NWO" topic has?
What official would dare be caught investigating the phenomenon when he knows
his colleagues in the Congress or the
bureaucracy associate it with their death enemy, anti-establishmentarianism?

In furthering a scientific
theory the man I try to satisfy is the
sceptic, the fussy but fair thinker like LTC8K6. Him I understand. I have no
understanding of how we who understand
the conspiracy of chemtrailing are
supposed to interrelate or what we should
be working together to achieve.

Enough said.

(You can kill this topic as far as
I am concerned, Thermit.)

Wishy-washily yours,

posted 03-02-2001 11:11 AM            

Ahead of us at about a 60 degree angle above the horizon, a small dot of cloud appears. Over the next 3 min. it "grew" to the size of a poker chip at arms length, was roundish and gray/white. From the left top edge of this cloud, a small formation of "cloudlets" began to asend. Each was small, and longer than tall. About ten of these went up
and stacked one upon another with some space between them, grew to about three times the size of the Mother cloud and stayed there. After a few mins. a short chemtrail appeared on the right side of the mother cloud.
In about 45 seconds, the whole think just winked out!! Mother, kids, streak and all just disappeared without a trace.

posted 03-02-2001 11:17 AM            

quote:

---

tell us your sky is normal
put the muzzle up close to your temple
and blow that stuffy feeling
from your head

"it won"t hurt"
a bit

---

Poetic license to kill revoked.

posted 03-02-2001 07:34 PM            

I hate to sound like a debunker here, but you just perfectly described a natural process of cloud formation due to orographic lifting. If moist, relatively warmer air, is forced upward by terrain, it will eventually cool and reach a temperature where the moisture can no longer be retained by the airmass, and clouds (visible moisture) form.

This is why we see clouds and rain on the windward side of a mountain. If you drive over the Sierra-Nevada mountain range for example, you notice that the windward side is green and forested (because it gets all the rain) and the leeward (Nevada) side is desert.

You'll find this true of every mountain range in the northern hemisphere that extends from north to south, because the direction of the air currents in the nothern hemisphere travel west to east due to the rotation of the earth and the coriolis effect.

In this situation, when moist, warm air hits the mountain and is forced upward due to orographic lifting, the air does not cool necessarily due to expansion, that's why I'm careful to avoid the word "adiabatic" lifting. In other words it does not loose density and therefore tends to fall on the leeward side. This is why pilots are careful to avoid flying too close to the leeward side of mountains on windy days. They could encounter a downdraft that exceeds the rate of climb for their aircraft.

posted 03-03-2001 03:14 AM            

Yes

Standing lenticular is one such mountain cloud produced by orographic lifting, also an indication of CAT (clear air turbulence) downwind from a mountain range. Every pilot knows to treat these with great respect.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by cydoniaquest on 03-03-2001]

posted 03-03-2001 03:12 PM            

David merely mentioned the formation of
the cloud, but the critical observation
was that he saw it "wink out" within
seconds after its gradual formation and
after the short bit of contrail appeared.

Was there a mountain, David? Did the
cloud appear to descend when it winked
out?

Has anyone ever observed the sudden
disappearance of normal cloud when
contrail appears? (This is inconsistent
with the test-grid idea, but not with
CWM, e.g., as a method to suppress rain.

Cydoniaquest talks about the formation:

you just perfectly described a natural process of cloud formation due to orographic lifting. If moist, relatively warmer air, is forced upward by terrain, it will eventually cool and reach a temperature where the moisture can no longer be retained by the airmass, and clouds (visible moisture) form.
...we have a natural process here where clear moist air forms clouds over the windward side of mountains, looses it's moisture as it rains out, and then descends in the form of clear dry air on the leeward side."

David mentioned the horizon, but not
mountains.

David says:

"Two days ago I saw this. Driving south, 10 a.m. pst. Sky clear, no clouds, wind calm.
Ahead of us at about a 60-degree angle above the horizon, a small dot of cloud appears. Over the next 3 min. it "grew" to the size of a poker chip at arms length, was roundish and gray/white. From the left top edge of this cloud, a small formation of "cloudlets" began to asend. Each was small, and longer than tall. About ten of these went up
and stacked one upon another with some space between them, grew to about three times the size of the Mother cloud and stayed there. After a few mins. a short chemtrail appeared on the right side of the mother cloud.
In about 45 seconds, the whole think just winked out!! Mother, kids, streak and all just disappeared without a trace."

posted 03-03-2001 03:35 PM            

Now clouds such as these can also occur many miles down range of mountains, so it is possible that the mountains might not be readily discernible as the cause. CAT (clear air turbulence) also extends many miles down wind from mountain ranges. Any pilot will confirm this.

I am not "debunking" as you say, just merely offering a more obvious explanation for what Mark describes. These types of cloud formations are well known.

posted 03-03-2001 08:13 PM            

mark sky, the above was exactly what I was referring to. Those are typical mountain clouds.

The above pic, on the other hand, is a bad case of contrails or chemtrails. We are still trying to figure out which, aren't we..

Who knows what Deborah's talking about.