posted 03-24-2001 01:46 PM            

You no longer have credibility with me. You make assumptions about my post, on informaiton never proffered. I believe you to be a misinformation agent and will henceforth regard you as such.

posted 03-24-2001 04:01 PM            

Anyway...I can see some haven't read or don't agree with my posts, that the ideas and logic should speak for itself, and they keep falling back on this credibility issue.....which I don't think can be all that important on an anonymous message board with alias names anyway.

About all we can do on a forum such as this is let the validity and logic of the comments stand for themselves...but for what it's worth, I think Mr Digler has proven quite well at this point that he is in fact a pilot.

Pilot's are individuals just like everyone else, with individual opinions...and I don't see how one could assume that someone has lost credibility or is a “disinformation agent”, simply by stating opinions, or personal experiences that differ from your own.

posted 03-24-2001 05:18 PM            

its amazing. evidently if anyone has an alternative opinion as to what is in a photo then they have to be a government operative. at least you are consistant. you have jumped to this conlcusion using the same logic and means as your chemtrail conclusions.

thermit. i didnt mean to portray that no pilots believed in chemtrails. my point was that i know of none (outside of CY). there are evidently very, very few pilots who do. this seems odd as it should be the most obvious to this group of people.

freedomsinger and nsasucks,

posted 03-24-2001 05:57 PM            

Note, I wasn't accusing anyone of calling names though....just of having a name-calling mentality. "Dirk Digler" may in fact be a porn star name....hey I'm not disputing that or even really care. My point was simply that I don't think it matters what we call ourselves on this board, or what "credibility" we have....as long as our message and logic is valid. I mean, think about it; What credibility do any of us really have on this board? I don't know Mr. "NSA Sucks" from a hole in the wall. I probably wouldn't recognize you in person even if you described yourself. How does any of us really know who any of us really are at all?

The point is.....we don't. All we have is the logic and validity of statements and comments that are made, to go by. We can attack the subject matter or content of the message...but is it really logical to attack the person, given the fact we really don't know who anybody is anyway? Hell, we all may be agents from the numerous agencies! Wouldn't that be a hoot!

I've tried the insult game in the past, and I'm even participating in it at the moment in response to some folks like Seeker and Algebia on Christy's board...because they are hopeless cases who will never engage in intellectual discussion. But I can tell you one thing, I know full well it never gets anywhere. Only goes in circles and makes people angry and feel bad. Why even start down this road when you don't have to?...is all I'm saying....

Remember my previous points:...It's possible to disagree without being disagreeable. This takes work...and I don't see the point of working so hard to be disagreeable, when you've got one party of the conversation here, "Dirk", who has given every indication that he wants to communicate in a respectful fashion...regardless of who he may actually be in person.

The negative or accusatory insulting approach can only accumulate into something non-productive and ugly......I should know. I've had about a thousand of these types of conversations with every one from Elvis, to Seeker, to our infamous “housewife from Indiana”, to Alcor, to Jay Reynolds to Sedona. I'm an expert on insults at this point, and I feel every one I issued in return fire was well deserved....but why does it have to be that way when there really is no need for it? Why call Mr. Dirk Digler a porn star (even though that may in fact be the name of an actual porn star, which is in-turn an alias in itself). Why accuse people of being “agents” when you can just as easily respond with civility to the subject matter at hand? I don’t get it....

In the tear jerking words of the upstanding individual and fine speciman of a human being we all know as Rodney King;

Can’t we all jus git along??


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posted 03-24-2001 06:36 PM            

p.s. besides aviation we also have our political leaning in common.

posted 03-24-2001 07:30 PM            

September 1997, Colorado Springs Int Airport: I am sitting at the bar, waiting for my flight ot Kentucky, Mostly pilots don't hang out at the bars, because it is frowned on by airport management. On this day, I am chatting with an former FBI agent who is helping me with my particular problem. Two men in civi attire sit a few chairs away. They start talking in aeronautical terms about windspeed, micro-shears, and other aviation lingo. They mention aloud, to no one in particular, about the "spray plumes" they noticed coming from KC135 tankers, "patterning from the south/southwest, 22 angels."

My FBI friend turns to me and says, "Naw, the airforce isn't spraying anybody."

That was the first time I had ever heard about chemtrails. Six months later and Thomas is all over the radio talk about CTs. Do the math.

In October of 2000, I am staying in a hotel used by Wackenhut field agents. They handle a lot of the security for black ops AF bases like Area51. I meet one at the pool. We both know who we are - I'm sure he's there to "befriend" me. He was. I mention CTs, and he, having about six drinks in him, says,

"I got no problem with that. I'll be out of the country by May next."

posted 03-24-2001 07:54 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lulu:
I don't see how a pilot can NOT believe the chemtrails that he/she sees while up in the hazy, lined skies. You'd be insulting their intelligence to insinuate otherwise. It is the FEAR of speaking out, of speaking the Truth, that holds them back; but a few who do...speak the Truth. I want to thank the pilots who have come forward.

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Lulu:

Who has "come out" publicly? I know of no legitimate, credible pilots who have come out with any stories of them spraying the civilian population. I've seen pilots come forward about UFO sightings, but definitely not about any type of spraying. I, for one, with all of my security clearances, flight time, and experience, have never heard of such a thing until reading about it online. And that is the truth, whether or not you choose to believe it.

If there is truth to the chemtrail phenomenon, then I would lean more toward the weather modification theory or the EMP shield theory than the virus or poison theory that so many seem to subscribe to. Cy and several others have a few interesting ideas about that.

Have a good weekend all.

posted 03-24-2001 08:09 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by TintDude:
Hi Maverick, I'm very curious about your security clearance. got any good tidbits you can share?

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Tidbits such as...? I couldn't even if I wanted to. That would be getting off of the subject, and my name's not Wen Ho Lee.

Since I've never heard anything about Chemtrails before, I don't have to relegate it to the "can neither confirm nor deny" phrase that so many seem to use these days. I can DENY it, because I've never heard it. I'm not breaking any rules by saying it.

I'll have to re-hash an old post I already made if you ask me the question about if I did find out about something. Rest assured that the need to keep secret things secret is not even in the same league as the need to stop an illegal act, especially when it involves your friends, family, and loved ones.

Maverick

posted 03-24-2001 09:39 PM            

An AF pilote denying chemtrails!

posted 03-25-2001 02:57 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by TintDude:
Well if you can't speak about what you do know or if you found out someting, then why are you here? Whats the point? Are you here just to debunk?

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I'll re-type my last paragraph:

"I'll have to re-hash an old post I already made if you ask me the question about if I did find out about something. Rest assured that the need to keep secret things secret is not even in the same league as the need to stop an illegal act, especially when it involves your friends, family, and loved ones."

Is this not satisfactory? Well, let me simplify it for you if you don't understand. I will tell the world if I found out that something was going on in our military that was aimed at harming my family, my friends, my relatives, or even "John Q. Public" for that matter. There's a big difference between giving out our most guarded secrets (Wen Ho Lee) and putting a stop to an illegal act.

I thought that was what I was saying in my quote above. So, what's your point?

What I will not (and can not) talk about is everything that I do have the privilege of knowing but is stamped with some type of classification. Believe me, most of it is not the most interesting stuff, anyway. Most of my briefings involve things such as foreign weapons technology, weapons proliferation, tactics, and countertactics.

Disclosure of this type of information is 1) illegal, 2) idiotic, and 3) not in my your or my best interest to divulge. So, respectfully, quit trying. You're well off of the subject of this post and you're wasting all of our time. Feel free to join me on my own message board if this is not to your liking. I'm sure that Thermit will agree that we're getting nowhere here.

My site is: http://pub31.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1

Goodnight.
Maverick

posted 03-25-2001 09:29 AM            

Here is invitation form Ohio Citizens Against Chemtrails. They announce Second Annual Protest against Chemtrails on Saturday, June 23, 2001 at 1:00 p.m. in front of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio.
Details on this page of my site:
http://deepspace4.freeservers.com/pages/soon/soon.htm

posted 03-25-2001 10:00 AM            

What's your problem? Do you just hate the military? Are you a socialist, liberal whiner who is so thin skinned and has to have his way so much so that anyone with a differing opinion is automatically a “liar” and "sack o dung"? If so, why don’t you go over to CTTUSA...they’d love you over there.

What "Top Gun" said was clear as a bell to any moron with half a brain...He even said it TWICE that given the choice between secrets and families and friends he would protect the latter every time. That's a damn heroic attitude if you ask me, yet still that is somehow not good enough for you and you remain completely clueless. Even worse you resort to the liberal tactic of calling him a liar and debunker, when you can't deal with a counter argument on its own merit. To further illustrate your sniveling lack of character, you go whining to Thermit about “debunkers”.

posted 03-25-2001 11:26 AM            

For everyone who sees and smells a rat, well you do.

First, part of the process of being a mole is to endear yourself to those in power in a given environment, ala, establishing your BONAFIDES - SPY TALK for being helpful without really comprimising information. Once that is established, it's obvious what his work here is:

Establish PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY so that when new people plug into the scene, there is reasonable doubt about CTs. Is TG a pilot? Probably...or there is a pilot at hand, spoon-feeding the correct answers. TML, is right, he was over at CCs board a few months back with completely different set of lies for that board, different now than what he is stating - that means no consistency.

But is does do one thing. By going to early Jan/late December, you can cross-check his statements there, with his statements here, (AS WE'VE DONE) and yes, TML is right: he is lying to us.

I'll repeat: HE IS LYING TO US.

What does that mean? Probably Wackenhut field agent, as they handle security out in the "world" for the Airforce. Wackenhut is run by the CIA, works closely with the DIA, ONI, and dozens of other agencies.

IS he a pilot? Does it really matter?

What matters is what is happening in front of you? Again, Plausible Deniability was an invention of the agency back in the 1940s and goes something like this