posted 03-23-2001 01:05 PM            

if i remember correctly, TOPGUN was a USAF F16 pilot.

posted 03-23-2001 05:57 PM            

I always think it's less important to know the ID of people on these forums, as it is to consider the logic of the subject matter and ideas presented.

After all, what's in a name anyway?....since we are all really just anonymous binary bits of code on an electronic message board that can evaporate into the ether (or a CIA “Carnivore” database) at any given minute. It's especially volatile here in California where our beloved, so-called governor Gray "power-crisis" Davis can shut off the power at will, like Commandant Klink...and there goes Mr Cydoniaquest....back to paper and pen.

Point is, I think the validity of the ideas and the message should stand on it's own, and people should not try to always shoot the messenger all the time and lump others into categories of “de-bunkers” or “non-debunkers”, “fruitcake"...."non-fruitcake”....”whacko"...."non-whacko”...you get the point. Most of us are a little of both anyway, depending on the issue on which we are conversing and the time of day, and whether or not the boss chewed us out today for someone else’s screw up, or the guy in traffic ahead of us on the way home just cut us off and flipped us bird...etc. I think mood sometimes has a lot to do with the level of tolerance for the opinions of others.

I don’t think we should get so married to an idea, that we forget to consider other possibilities though. For example, it’s not going to break my heart one bit to find out I was wrong about chemtrails and that they were all-along really just normal bits of crystallized vapor, blown into something bigger by a reporter named William Thomas with an overactive imagination on a radio talk show that thrives on stuff like this. My own opinion is that something abnormal is going on.....but at the same time, I want to be intellectually honest about it and make sure I am not manufacturing any thing in my mind (as imaginative minds tend to do).....so I believe it’s always important to consider the arguments on both sides of an issue. If I had one of those blindfolded scales of justice you see on “The People’s Court” though, it would be tipping heavily on the side of chemtrails as a reality.

One thing we can be certain of is that the truth is out there, no matter who says it....and I think finding the truth should be the important thing....regardless of identity of the messenger or how creative, outlandish or bland the theories.

Somewhere in between lies the truth...

(Hey Marksky, notice my play on the words "lies the truth"....that's a bit of a Haiku, don't you think? Do I have a shot as a poet...or should I keep my day job?)


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posted 03-25-2001 12:16 PM            

Man....that's gooood stuff, not a sign of cold or flu in the past 4 years!...As they told us not to trust our lying eyes..

posted 03-25-2001 08:03 PM            

If you think about it, all matter and all atoms vibrate at certain frequencies above the temperature of absolute zero. Matter is nothing more than solidified energy, so we could expand this concept of frequency to say that all energy has certain vibrational frequencies.

All my life I've been susceptible to the “out-of-body experience” phenomenon, and these attacks or episodes happened to me quite against my will, in a very shocking way preceded by a very powerful sense of full consciousness in a lucid dream state. The first thing you'll notice when the spirit or soul (depending on what you prefer to call it) transitions from the physical state to the higher vibrational out-of body state, is an audible almost electric buzz sensation. It's as if you're in a twin propeller aircraft and the props aren't quite synched up yet.

posted 03-26-2001 06:02 PM            

What got into you Delphi!?? I thought everything was going fine. I don't brag about my health at all. I just mentioned that I haven't had a cold or flu to show how my perspective was formed about chemtrails (or lack thereof). People form their perceptions by what they experience...and I haven't experienced sickness from them, although I’ve lived under heavily trail-laden skies...so naturally, I’ve come to the perception that there is no relationship between chemtrails and sickness...But that is just one perspective which I’ve made quite clear several times now. I do believe however that there might be an incidental relationship between chemtrails and sickness, but I do not think that is their primary purpose for reasons I’ve stated in so many ways on this board and in this very thread. Incidently, William Thomas shares this viewpoint.

Now if you go back and read this thread, you will understand why I said my arguments fall on deaf ears...because the minute I got through expressing my views about chemtrails and sickness, and saying that people shouldn't lump each other into categories and that they should take each other's thoughts on their own merits....what do people do?...Well they do exactly what you just did obviously. Hence you’ve proved my point, by illustration, that my arguments fall on deaf ears. The other part is humor...some get it, you obviously don't agree. I think it's important to have a light heart even though the issues may seem heavy. I’ve made jokes in the worst of times, and I find humor helps ease the tension, at least in my life. Again that may not be your ball O wax....to each his own.

As for the out of body experiences, you may choose to doubt them, that's fine....I'm not asking you to believe any thing, I was simply responding to the previous post. To one who has never experienced them, I'm sure they sound quite fantastic...but these things are real and they do not fall along the lines of belief systems or political ideologies. Believe it or not, you will experience at least one of these too when you die...and maybe then you will know exactly what I’m talking about....but I realize death, or realities beyond the physical, is an uncomfortable subject in the western culture. To one with more of an Eastern philosophy, this subject might seem more natural....and for me....well it’s been a way of life. I would think it’s comforting to those who have lost loved ones to know that the soul does indeed go on. I know this beyond a shadow of a doubt because I’ve experienced it.

Every human is multi-faceted....not just two sided. My purpose is simply to convey my thoughts and perceptions....no need for you to get upset about that. My reality may be very different than yours, but that's the beauty of seeing the viewpoints of others. We can choose to learn from each other...or we can get angry and proclaim it all garbage, if someone says something that does not line up exactly with our pre-conceived ideas of reality . It's your choice.....and obviously you choose the latter.

Glad you could express yourself and get that all off your chest though...sometimes a catharsis helps....I hope you feel better now.


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posted 03-26-2001 06:34 PM            

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I am a nurse and am privy to the illnesses occurrung and who is getting sick and airplane hanlers are on the list, elderly, people with immune system difficulties, and very young kids...and of course, folks that are handling the stuff up close and personal.

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Delphi,

Can you go into more detail into what you are seeing in your field? Did these illnesses seem to ramp-up at a certain date? Are you actually seeing more aviation industry related sickness?

posted 03-26-2001 06:52 PM            

Ok, is that what's going on? You made it all clear to me now...except for the PTBT thing (what is that?). I told you, I'm with the CIA. I'm countering your counter-intelligence...... Now that we got that out in the open, can we be friends now?

posted 03-26-2001 07:35 PM            

Do you usually make it a habit of accusing people of laughing at AIDS and Cancer patients...of being and agent (for godsake) after completely misinterpreting everything, and then still expect to just babble on about your statistics and have a conversation as if nothing happened? Do you just insult people whom you don’t even know like this in real life?