posted 03-19-2001 09:55 AM            

Cy and Goldrush, get you cameras ready, you are going to get a real dousing soon. The mess in the sky above me is incredible again.

Most of the sky to the N. is complete white out already and progressing to the east.
A lot of preformed trails are coming in from the coast.
These trails are fanning out at a much faster rate, coverage is much faster and complete.

Question: Could HAARP be pushing this stuff?
Could HAARP make this stuff fan out faster and spread more easily? I think so.

Is anyone having dizzy spells this A.M.??

Is anyone having a problem with
diorientation this A.M.?
Does you mind feel sluggish, not able to concentrate??
A lot of people are weak and unable to function at 100% Could HAARP signal and the chemtrail combination be the cause. YOU BET!!

posted 03-19-2001 12:21 PM            

I know HAARP gets blamed for a lot of things, but I don't think they'd need HAARP to push this stuff....the prevailing winds aloft from the west do just fine. Nick Begich agrees that HAARP is much more limited than people think, and that there are many more facilities like it, probably a form of missile defense, over the horizon radar, and/or ionospheric heater. It could conceivably manipulate the jet stream by heating pockets of air, although I'm not so sure I think there is a connection between HAARP and chemtrails (but then, you never know....I'm willing to keep an open mind).

posted 03-19-2001 01:14 PM            

Remember in school when the science teacher would take a bunch of iron filings and place them on a piece of paper.
Then he/she would take a magnet and place it under the paper and the filings would align in the same direction??
This is the effect that I'm refering to.

When these initialy start in the early a.m., this is what the trails look like, all aligned/oriented in the same way, but spread out in a thin layer. Sort of like wispy cirrus.

It looks as if they have been aligned by some force other than the prevailing winds.

This happens at the start of every white out
and seems to enhance the spread of the next application of chemtrails.

The spread to total whiteout used to take approx. 5 hours. Now the same affect can be done in about 2 hours with much less aircraft involved.
You may not be able to see this affect from you locale because it is well formed and heading your way about two hours before you actually see the results.
This early a.m. the same thing happened and it was all spread to the north and south prior to the chemtrails coming,but all with a East/West alignment.

We have total white out here with an enormous ring around the sun. But a relative small amount of trails for the coverage involved.
David

posted 03-20-2001 06:27 AM            

Many, many childern are coming down with some sort of flu like symptoms and lung congestion. Coincidence? I think not. The more that they spray, the more new symptoms appear.
A friend of mine is taking his 11 year old daughter to Childerns Hospital with some sort of MOLD spores in her lungs!!
How many times have you heard of this? None I'd wager.
And I believe you are correct about the elderly, seems that they are not doing so well. A lot of OBITS in my small area of the world.
By the way, its nice to see that I am not the only imsomniac on this board.

posted 03-21-2001 10:59 PM            

on the subject of chemtrail induced sickness. i would like to see a study done on pilots, ground handlers and other airport workers. if there are chemicals being sprayed into the atmosphere you would have to assume that it would be all over the skin of the airliners that fly through this airspace. with the amount if direct contact that pilots and ground handlers have with them, you would think that they would be highly susceptible to these illnesses. i personally do not know of any problems but that doesnt mean that its not happening. i would love to see some research done into this.

posted 03-21-2001 11:49 PM            

We also have this brown/red crap on the horizon all of the time, never goes away.

Have you noticed this: a white out forming but not complete. Part of the sky to the front of the white out will be most to somewhat clear. Extending from, above or just in front of the white out will be long thin, cloud tendrils with a white/blue-ish look to them?

These "tendrils" will be oriented in the direction of the prevailing wind, nose first.

Anything you can think of about the white out condition that looks new or progressive please let us know.

posted 03-22-2001 12:55 AM            

I live in the country also and agree, it is nice to sky watch and listen to the night sounds. I live close to a large lake so we hear loons often, (relatives also).

Could you tell more about the particulates?
What was the sky like during the raining down of this stuff? Did it come from a dripping trail or a low cloud or fog?
Here we have this fog or "smog" looking stuff that is really thick and Very out of the ordinary. It's been here for the past couple of days and just keeps getting thicker. Good luck to us all, David.

posted 03-22-2001 10:56 AM            

actually, i was thinking of normal airline ramp handlers. not the actual handlers of the chemicals. from what i gather, most believe that massive spraying is going on all over the country. it would stand to reason that the airliners that fly through this environment would be covered with residue both inside and out. you would think that there would be a major health problem with them and also airline pilots who are also around this all the time. also, air that enters the aircraft is not filtered immediately. it is eventually as it gets recirculated through the cabin. but you are breathing a certain amount of unfiltered air. you would think that pilots and cabin attendants would be at high risk also.

-"I heard one theory a while back that the substance could possibly be loaded into tanks by the honey wagons (tanker trucks used to collect waste from aircraft restrooms). People would just think that these tanker trucks were unloading waste from the onboard toilet"

you are partly correct. i agree that the majority of the flying public would be fooled by this. but there are enough people around, myself for one, who know that lav truck operators do not where special "clean" suits when servicing the lavs to be suspicious about this.

posted 03-23-2001 11:01 AM            

not sure who you were talking to on other boards, but it wasnt me. this is the only chemtrail board i post to.

didnt mean to get your feathers ruffled. i have stated that i am interested in this subject. i am just trying to give you alternative explanations to some of the accounts here. there are some things that i cant explain and these observations intrigue me, but a large number of accounts can be logically explained by known means. that doesnt mean that nothing is happening. do you believe that every account reported is a genuine chemtrail sighting? is it possible that some sightings are incorrectly identified as chemtrails. i mean, i believe UFO's exist but i dont believe that every sighting is genuine. quiet a few are innocent mistakes. if you are not willing to analyze all accounts individually and weed out the conventionally explained then you are doing this cause a disservive. do you want to go to the main steam media and your congressman with a bunch of photos of normal contrails? why not eliminate those.

by the way, you may want to look up the definition of debunker in the dictionary. you will find that it doesnt apply to me.

posted 03-23-2001 11:26 AM            

I took Dirk up on his advice and called someone at the Burbank Airport and they say the medical station there is VERY BUSY right now and couldn't take my call. A friend who works at Alaska Airlines says a great many of the baggage handlers have flus, are calling in sick right and left, and I've asked her to pleas - please go public with this. I'll keep everyone posted.

posted 03-23-2001 12:42 PM            

i applaud your efforts. but dont you think saying that that there is a connection based on one phone call to one airport. it is quite possible that they are hiring alot now because of expansion or the fact that it is common for airports to hire seasonally (?). now i dont fly into burbank so i am not familiar with their circumstances but you may want to check into their "medical station". i live my life in airports and i can tell you that at most airports any medical facility on the field is there for the passengers not employees. if employees are sick, they do not go to the airport facility. this would be unvelievably expensive for their company. the companies have local facilities that they send their people to.