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Dirk Digler
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126 posts, Mar 2001

posted 03-26-2001 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk Digler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this is an honest question for everyone here. i am trying to get an idea of just how far people think this conspiracy spreads.

now i will be the first to admit that predicting the weather is far from an exact science. but they do a fairly good job. i look at aviation weather forecasts (TAF's) all the time and they are pretty close most of the time.

my question is why havent the meteorologists noticed that the conditions are not what they are suppose to be. i have seen numerous posts about "total white-outs", "the day started off crystal clear now its completely overcast with chemtrails". if the conditions aren't correct for cirrus and persisting contrails and yet it happens anyway, dont you think that the meteorologists would notice this. are they all in on this also.

i keep reading comments about the "sheeple".
the "sheeple" wouldnt know if a trail is normal or not. they are not trained for this. so why is it surprising that they do not notice anything.
but there are enough professionals out there who you would think that chemtrails would be absolutely obvious to. they wouldnt have to be directly involved with the conspiracy but would be in a position to see
the results of it.

-pilots - they are up there with the trails. should be painfully obvious to 50, 75 , 90% of them.

-doctors - they are the ones diagnosing the diseases. they are the ones observing the supposedly flooded emergency rooms and doctors offices.

-meteorologists - they are the ones seeing the weather do things that it is not suppose to do.

now i know that some will come back to me with a pilot here, or a doctor there. i am sure that if you looked hard enough you could find a doctor who believes that the queen of england is a reptilian alien! (i saw this on either renses or bells site)
if this were happening you should have more than a handfull of these professionals.

yes you can compartmentalize secret ops in the military. only a few have to know the truth. but how do you silence all of the civilians that i mentioned above?

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 03-26-2001 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dirk, the conspiracy is, IMO, basically limited to those with a need to know in the military.

Most people aren't very observant, thus they don't notice the Chemtrails.

Some people are observant, but they tend not to notice the subtle clues. People generally tend to fit what they observe into their mental model of the world. Thus Chemtrails are put into the contrail pigeon hole.

A very few are observant and thoughtful enough to realize that things have changed.

Analysis of the situation with tools like Flight Explorer have shown that these highly-persistent trails that have at least a magnitude more persistence than contrails (for a given time period) are most likely military. This has been observed by Swedishoo in Florida and myself in Houston.

Of course this conspiracy has incredulity on it's side. It is hidden in plain view. But it takes a lot of time and disciplined observation.

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Dirk Digler
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126 posts, Mar 2001

posted 03-26-2001 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk Digler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the comments thermit. i agree with you to a point.

the general public is not obsrevant or knowledgable enough to notice this. i agree.

but my point is that pilots, doctors, meteorologists and other professions are not only very observant, but they are very observant in these exact fields. while a 7-11 clerk my not notice anything unusual in our skies or hospitals, these other professions would. (this is not a slight to 7-11 clerks, they just arent trained for these type of observations).

their job is dependant upon being very observant in these areas. i can only speak from the aviation perspective, but in my mind it is impossible for these folks NOT to notice something. this only leaves the possibility that a large number of them do know but choose not to speak out. this is almost as unlikely to me.

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Thermit
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Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 03-26-2001 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Meteorologists don't look at the sky, they look at computer screens. Once, a Chemtrailer pulled one of these people outside to see the sky overcast with cirrus aviaticus on a day when it was suppsed to be clear blue skies. They were quite surprised.

Doctors don't look at the big picture, they treat symptoms. Even if they did, there are all kinds of weird heath things going on. I'm sure they are just happy business is good.

Pilots have their eyes on the sky all the time. But they aren't looking for Chemtrails or conspiracies, they are trying to fly safely from point A to point B, hopefully.

It isn't a vast conspiracy in participants, only in scope.

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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts


Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 03-26-2001 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup. People have lots more than chemtrails on their minds. I happen to have a job in which I sit at a computer all day, and these discussions help keep my neurons firing. When I worked in a lab, I arrived at work in the dark and left in the dark. I didn't even know what season it was, most of the time.

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cydoniaquest
nobody

nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000

posted 03-26-2001 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cydoniaquest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mark I think you hit the nail on the head here.

I'll just take one aspect of your points, which is the question "why don't meteorologists notice"?

Fair enough question.....but let's just throw aside the idea of chemtrails and conspiracy for a second, and just look at it as if these were normal contrails.

It is readily observed in just about every city and state of this country that a perfectly clear blue sky can become occluded and easily turned to overcast by these "contrails". This is just a simple observation. I see it all the time here in Sacramento. In the morning the sky starts off clear blue; The weather reports all predict cloudless clear blue skies all day....yet suddenly we get these jets leaving huge voluminous white "contrails" and by the time noon rolls around, these spread into a thick haze or overcast conditions.

Now without getting into conspiracy theory or chemtrail theory, this is just occurring and it is an easily and readily observable phenomenon just about every where you go in the United States. I could ask a similar question, that if these are just normal contrails, why don't meteorologists take into account their effects on weather either??? Oh they may say “partly cloudy conditions expected later today” or “overcast expected in the evening” but they never give contrails any credit....when in fact contrails may be a major player! I don’t think there is any code on the significant weather prognostic charts or the teletype terminal forecasts that identify contrails either.

The point is, whether they are contrails or chemtrails....they are undeniably happening....and they are undeniably the cause of overcast conditions and occluded skies, and therefore they do affect weather conditions. Basic observation will show this to anyone. Why then, don't meteorologist include or consider these "normal contrails" in their reports?......

Good question...


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RidesTheWind
visionary


The Void
1359 posts, Feb 2001

posted 03-26-2001 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RidesTheWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys....The weather forcasters here in Maryland were baffled to say the least with that big Nor Easter that was supposed to be that never was. We were nice and safe and pretty dry under the chemdome, but they are still talking about that one!!I don't think they have a clue.I just sent correspondence
to them today concerning chemtrails. As far as relating how I feel about how far and deep this conspiracy goes I have to be very honest and tell you Dirk that I wouldn't give out any info on that. You appear too eager and hungry for information on what we feel all the time.You remind me of someone
from the other side trying to figure out how this side works.Sorry to say that but its what I feel,and I'm usually right on with my intuitions.If you're cool,I'm sorry you are getting put through this, but thems the breaks.One of the drawbacks of computers. I hope there is no hard feelings.Sorry.

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Delphi
Mystic Warrior


S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001

posted 03-26-2001 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delphi   Visit Delphi's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ridesthewind, Good for you! You are very likely correct in your assumtions. On every chemsite I got to, you always find the "airplane" experts, or "weather experts" or "scientific" experts to try and make us doubt or own observations and knowledge and common sense. Notice how "artfull" Dig called us "stupid"? Why wouldn't meteorologists be suspect...anyone that thinks the evening news at all 3 major stations isn,t "scripted" is blind. You can click remote and each reporter will be on the same topic, word, or sentence. Why not the same with weather guys...they want a job and that worries them more than possible "erased" chemtrials off of the Gov. satellite images. Many of us have emailed info and pictures to weather tv folks and NEVER get a response. Something must be "going on". As for pilots, the commercial planes are usually higher and anyway, maybe they don't report the trails for the same reason they don"t report UFO'S. They wanna keep their jobs. And as Thermit mentioned, why would the Doc's question a money-maker like the "flu-like" dealey? It is all about money, ever see the ad on tv about the guy in E.R. where they wait til his credit card is accepted before they help? No "house calls" nowadays, it's a big business now, the Hypocratic oath is rightly named.

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cydoniaquest
nobody

nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000

posted 03-26-2001 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cydoniaquest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You seem highly disturbed and agitated Delphi...now what's really bothering you?

Pull up a couch...let's talk...

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The Military Lies
Senior Member


90 posts, Jan 2001

posted 03-27-2001 04:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Military Lies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
C'MON THERMIT! What the hell gives here? Ever heard of the "Good cop, Bad cop" con job? They are BOTH on the same side. I'm beginning to think that you are an active practitioner. C'mon man....... Just look at the above post. You don't see what's going on? Sheeeeesh....... You treat the Porno star dude up at the top of the thread here so tenderly, it makes me want to hurl. He is insulting your intelligence (ever so politely) so blatently, and you just don't seem to mind whatsoever. Do you have any idea how much of your time these guys will waste since you are so willing to let him? Their questions and answers are all intellectually dishonest, and they have all been addressed over and over and over. Their job, is to continue to SLOW chemboards down and keep them that way. Like I said in my other post....... You REALLY are making me wonder about you.

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cydoniaquest
nobody

nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000

posted 03-27-2001 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cydoniaquest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mark treats every one with respect ML. Take some notes....you might learn something.

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Dirk Digler
Senior Member


126 posts, Mar 2001

posted 03-27-2001 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk Digler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
military lies.

the most cynical person i have ever met.
you're unbelievable man, keep up the good work. you are a real asset to this board.

anyway, for everyone here, it was an honest question. my point was while it is believable that the normal public would miss what is going on, it is much harder to explain how so many in different professional fields directly related would not notice.

thanks to those who have honestly tried to answer my question.

the rest, well...
(i'm looking at you ML and del. come on guys :~)

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Delphi
Mystic Warrior


S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001

posted 03-27-2001 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delphi   Visit Delphi's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cy, I'm not agitated, but you are DISTURBED!!You pull up a couch, ya need to practice harder on your psycho-babble, analysing routine. You poor thing, you must need a valium the size of a "hockey-puc". Cheers.

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cydoniaquest
nobody

nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000

posted 03-27-2001 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cydoniaquest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, but how do you really feel?

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Delphi
Mystic Warrior


S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001

posted 03-27-2001 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delphi   Visit Delphi's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
E-E-W, Dinglebury, Your looking at me, I'm s-o-o-o-o scared. The more ya say, you're gonna blow your cover Dirt Digger.

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Delphi
Mystic Warrior


S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001

posted 03-27-2001 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delphi   Visit Delphi's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gotcha!!!! Kiss this(!), Bye, bye, "I'll be back" as Arno would say. Waste someone elses time Mr. Shop man Cy.

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cydoniaquest
nobody

nowhere
803 posts, Aug 2000

posted 03-27-2001 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cydoniaquest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sensing some hostility here. Would you like to expand on this? A troubled child hood maybe? Abusive parents? I can help really....I hear you crying out for love, Delphi!

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freedomsinger
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I live privacy
8 posts, Mar 2001

posted 03-28-2001 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for freedomsinger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe that the truth is far more frightening than many of us are letting on. Once a fellow sets his mind on it, the real facts are frightening. Police chopper pilots are in know "don't talk about it and you'll keep your job, mister."

We know the media is controlled, but that's old news. Airline pilots, if they don't want an IRS audit and a convenient suspension of their pilot's license, know to keep their mouth shut.

The EPA? See no evil, hear no evil.

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