posted 04-07-2001 11:44 AM            

Still, I believe we all feel that any admission is better than the usual plate of denials from the gang of seven, so it goes, but is an admission an admission if it is loaded up with a pile of lies? I am not inferring any kind of mis-proprietry on Thomas and Brendt (sp), just what was leaked to them had an odor to it. An odor many of us know all to well, don't we?

I've given this some thought as have others in regards to this new phenomenom, and woke up today with some really strong intuitions, feelings, and because I am mental (many nodding their heads yes now) I've decided to let loose. This long and over-bearing preamble is/was necessary, because I realize that most of what I say is subject to outright derision and skepticism, but think it through for a moment.

Here we go:

Over the last two years we've seen a number of LHs (limited hangouts, spy-talk for admitting partially to a covert operation, but mixing 5% truth, with yet another 95% pile of lies) and these LHs have ranged from

sunscreen
radar shield
innoculation
the Tellar lie
The Rocky reports

and all that. They surface, are given airtime, and then we destroy them with facts. Because the facts are out there and this piece has nothing to do with verifying them, many well-written threads and articles have done that for me.

We all knew the day would sooner or later come, when an LH would be deployed against us and the world. I am of the opinion that we are VERY near that day. Very near. Sadly, it looks like they are going to do the WEATHER MODIFCATION number on us. Basically admitting to the op, but completely lying in our faces about its true purpose. The previous releases of this LH were to test the waters. Now it comes through in the last week with a tad more weight to it. I believe we will, by summer or summer's end, see an admission from on high, and it will be the WEATHER MOD lie.

As any researcher into CTs knows, this just don't hold water. It doesn't. It doesn't explain bioligcals, barium, or aluminum. It simply won't fly...TO US...who are hyper-aware of the FACTS. But, for the many just tuning in at that future time, they will listen to the government explanation and go back to sleep, WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF A LIMITED HANGOUT.

Your thoughts?

posted 04-07-2001 01:07 PM            

We need an information blitz. Protests, marches, signs, the whole works. Bring this to the attention of the sleeping masses.
Maybe we can slam chemtrails into their heads the way global warming has been done.

nsasucks is right about the LH. It is going to happen and most will go right along with it. You know, the government knows best. They must protect us from ourselves crap.

posted 04-07-2001 01:52 PM            

Global warming was the putup, see below:
Look, back, in time...in your mind...it's the early sixties...you know what you have to do in thirty years...how it has to be spun...how you have to get the world thinking along certain lines...you know what needs to be done.

posted 04-07-2001 01:55 PM            

1. There have got to be cheaper ways to inoculate a population, even if you're going to do it clandestinely.

2. Biological agents don't usually handle exposure to air very well.

posted 04-07-2001 06:53 PM            

Presuming the RNA codons were translated properly (being off by one or by two nucleotides causes entirely different proteins to be synthesized), it would also be necessary to have the bioengineered protein fold properly in three dimensions and be glycosylated appropriately in order to provide the proper antigenic sites.

posted 04-08-2001 12:49 AM            

If you are trying to replace a bad gene with a good gene, all sorts of things can go wrong. Here are just two examples: The body will recognize viruses as foreign and will eliminate them as quickly as it can. That would include any good DNA which might come along with the virus. Alternatively, the virus might insert itself into a regulatory region of the host's chromosomal DNA and cause runaway cellular proliferation (cancer). Eventually we will be able to use genetic engineering to cure genetic diseases, but right now we have a huge number of technical hurdles to overcome.

However, if you want to insert a lethal gene into someone, that's much easier. If it accidentally gets inserted into a regulatory region of the DNA, the guy just dies of cancer instead of the disease you wanted to give him. If the guy is hypersensitive to the virus you used, he dies of a flu-like illness instead of the disease he was going to die of. And if you've done a reasonable job of engineering the virus, most people will die of the lethal gene, sooner for the weaker ones and later for the healthier ones.

As far as engineering protection against the lethal gene, theoretically it could be done. The tricky thing about biology, though, is that things always turn out to be much more complicated than you originally thought they were. Murphy's Law and biology go hand in hand, which is why we have to use animals and not computers to test new drugs. It's also why we must have several human trials before a new drug goes on the market.

posted 04-08-2001 03:45 AM            

How hard would it be to deliver a dormant virus, a pathogen, that cannot be erased by the immune system of the host? A virus that can cross the blood-brain barrier and sit inside the tissue of the cerebral cortex?

A virus with the specific frequency of 7.43 gigherz, in which should such a microwave burst of that frequency be sent through the body of the host, would then activate the seqeuncing of the virus and making it do it's viral replicative thing.

See where I am going?

If AL helps it cross the blood-brain, and the virus is imbedded into the desiccated red blood cell (which reconstitutes once it is vectored into, say, the aolia tissue of the lungs, and then into the blood stream, how difficult would sucha technology be?

I agree with double blinds. I am sure there are plenty of dead Africans who were tested on, buried in mass graves in Ethiopia...and the other test site for MIL bio-weapons...Guyana: does that site ring a bell to anyone?

posted 04-08-2001 08:23 AM            

I'm not a microbiologist, so don't take my pronouncements as "truth." Take them more as "guess." I don't know of any virus which can be activated by an electromagnetic pulse. Do you have any scientific literature references? It's possible that this has been developed without any reporting in the scientific literature, but not likely. Scientists rely on other scientists to see the holes in their logic and to think of aspects of a problem which they hadn't considered. At least some aspects of this putative project are probably published somewhere. (Enough p's for you?)

The desiccated red blood cells aren't necessary for transmission of a virus. Clifford wouldn't listen, but desiccated red blood cells don't look like those in his pictures. Because of the strength of their cytoskeleton, when the cells denydrate, they look more like spiky balls. And if you've ever dealt with dried blood, you know that they don't reconstitute. The cellular proteins denature and, like Humpty Dumpty, can't be put together again.

However, many viruses do fine in the open air. Some don't, like the HIV virus, but many do, like the foot and mouth virus. So if I were constructing a viral vector, I'd pick one which did fine in the open air for long periods, and one which could enter the body through inhalation. Since animals breathe, too, I'd need to engineer the virus so that animals would not be affected.

As far as crossing the blood-brain barrier, I think viruses can do that already without the help of a substance like aluminum. Drugs often have difficulty crossing the blood brain barrier, but they can be designed so that they will cross it, too.

posted 04-08-2001 10:58 AM            

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http://www.mad-cow.org/
http://www.mad-cow.org/99feb_cwd_special.html

Origins of CWD: The first case of CWD was seen in 1967 in a captive mule deer at the Foothills Wildlife Research Station (operated by the Colorado Dept. of Wildlife) in Ft. Collins and was attributed then by station employees [10] to close confinement of deer to former (scrapie) sheep pasture or to horizontal transmission from sheep allowed [9] into the pens. The shortest known incubation time in deer is 17 months, dating the exposure back to 1965-66 or earlier. Surplus does were released back into the wild after fawning in the facility; the first case in free-ranging wild deer was seen in 1981. Other infected animals were shipped to zoos (Denver, Toronto, Laramie), game farms (see below), and similar research facilities in Colorado and Wyoming.

Alternate theories of CWD origin: These posit a naturally occurring prion genetic disease; possible but not supported by recent genotyping studies by O'Rourke [1]) or transmission at winter feeding stations via rendered downer cow protein (ie, a non-UK strain of bovine spongiform encephalopathy) or CWD deer or elk recycled as rendered road kill. CWD deer are commonly observed at a feeding station on Lexington Lane in Estes Park, Colorado [10].

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http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=9543

Cannibalism seems to be a key factor here. The mad cow outbreak may have started with the modern practice of cooking up dead sheep and using them as a cheap protein supplement in cattle feed. Sheep suffer from a brain-degenerating disease called TSE or scrapie. The theory is that somehow a scrapie prion jumped the species barrier and infected a cow. When that cow died, it too was sent to a rendering plant and turned into feed, thus spreading the disease.

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posted 04-08-2001 11:32 AM            

3T3: Maybe desiccated isn't the word...let's try "freeze-dried" would they retain their shape?

Now, the scuttle butt I heard was this and I've heard and read more than two or three times.

The barium is a control feature, much like flourine is in our water. It lowers IQ, makes the person docile and stupid, and, like pot, it kills initiative. That's the reason for it. They tried flouride in the water, but so few people actually drink the water, that it isn't/wasn't doing its job.

Aluminum helps the barium get over the brain.

The blood cells are chocked full of various lab pathogens, created to respond and activate when "agitated" by set frequencies. Much like the herpes virus will sit dormant in your body, but get angry or stressed and out that bad boy comes. electricity/herpes, high-freqs/pathogen BW (bioweapon.)

I've heard it stated from so many military people in and out, feds, old shop guys, that these are HUMAN TARGETED.

I'd like to NOT believe that, but every time I look at the evidence - and more comes in all the time - my window of other possiblities certainly is shrinking.

For instance, I asked one retired bureau saic about the disinfo ops, "he said he could point to test LHs already done in the media, many years ago, like back in the 1980s. Wow! They were testing their LHs back then?

posted 04-08-2001 11:58 AM            

Although the prion proteins of different species are unique, they fold in a similar manner when they become prions. Thus, if a person ingests enough prions from another species, prion formation will be triggered in his own prion proteins. Once the human prions start to form in the person's body, the process will continue relentlessly. At that point it won't matter if he eats meat, vegetables or synthetic chemicals, because his own brain cells will make all the raw materials needed for human prion production.

posted 04-08-2001 12:12 PM            

No, freeze drying blood cells would still give the spiky ball appearance. Think of freeze drying a person. You wouldn't have a miniature person. You would have flesh shrunken onto the full-sized person's bones.

posted 04-08-2001 02:09 PM            

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http://www.lightsmith.com/answer39.htm

WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE CHALLENGES FACING EUROPE. FIRST WITH MAD COW DISEASE AND NOW FOOT AND MOUTH DISEASE? I’M SADDENED THAT SO MANY ANIMALS ARE BEING DESTROYED IN WHAT SEEMS A VAIN EFFORT TO STOP THESE EPIDEMICS. WHAT ARE WE TO LEARN FROM THIS?

There has been a great imbalance in the domestication of animals for food. Partly because people have not looked to the environment in terms of what is sustainable. They have not looked to the capacity of the animals themselves, what is their part in the whole. And there is a sense of the imbalance becoming manifest where too many animals are now infected because there has been mismanagement of antibiotics and mismanagement of diseased cows. The animals have not been treated in a humane or conscious way in the how they have been raised and slaughtered. Most animals that are domesticated without consciousness bind in some ways at a frequency of consciousness that is quite dense. And when they are eaten, that density is continued within the consciousness as a whole. Animals that are therefore no longer available make the eating of meat less available in that area. Density therefore is affected, consciousness therefore is not as bound, and there is the possibility of greater or higher awareness coming into a greater number of people without them consciously knowing what all is happening.

In the US there has been a greater awareness of antibiotics in meat products or the contamination of pesticides that has been lodged in the muscles of the animals that have eaten foods that were contaminated down the line, etc. Even so, people are beginning to make different choices. There is less food consumption of red meat, particularly domesticated animals. Domesticated in so far as they are not treated in a way that is a part of the whole of creation and how they might be conscious within it.

We are not saying that all red meat is bad, but the way it is raised needs to be brought into awareness. If it a free range animal where there is a sense of being part of the whole of creation and nature, they do not carry the density. If it is a domesticated animal that is in a slot within a little place where it is unfree, and it is force fed and shot full of things and is made to fatten, or made to produce, or made to do this or that and then slaughtered, there is a density within the fabric of the animal and the meat. People will crave it to maintain density, and that is why it sets up a binding sort of pattern. As it is released out of consciousness, there is less and less, not only attraction to it and demand for more humane raising of animals that will be used in the food chain, but also an awareness growing hopefully of the impact it has had in the environment as a whole.

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posted 04-13-2001 09:34 AM            

it seems that blood DOES retain its outline and shape, even when dehydrated. Especially human blood. I am going back today and start bringing the books home. I will post the information I find.

THings take a turn.

(Is it spring?

(Yes.

(How can you tell?

(Calendar says so.