posted 04-12-2001 02:23 AM            

According to "The Chickie Dip Cluckster "
if you have any concern about the muck
in our sky's you are a hysterical
"CHEMTRAIL BELIEVER". - I presume
if you're not a "believer" you must
be a "denier". It's just a yes no issue
with no room for inquiry.
It's time for Chickie Dip to fly back to
the coop and fill up on Monsanto Corn
before she lay's another egg.

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Chemtrail Believers Guilty of Hysterical Reaction

Posted By: Northwoods45
Date: Monday, 9 April 2001, 3:37 a.m.

I received this e-mail below Sunday. I have never claimed that anything sinister from unidentifiable aircraft or high altitude commercial jets is going on; of this I have no proof. I have said many times that no one has gotten sick, and I have never seen any fallout. Only that the skies above my home are being artificially clouded on a regular basis. Surely this takes a mixture of some kind of chemicals. Unless my Family, Neighbors, my Friends, and myself are all seeing things, then this must be happening! I guess this person feels I have NO Right to protest. Any one with more info on this subject, please help out!

Northwoods45
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I found your website while reading Rumor Mill News and certainly enjoyed the information regarding your area. I have never been up that way, but your website sure makes it enticing.

The reason for this correspondence is that it disturbed me that you have included photos of jet contrails and refer to them as "chemtrails." Unless you are a radical Green looking to minimize the aviation industry, I hope you will take a look at this thread from Chemtrail Central. The most important message is the last posted by the Webmaster. http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000123.html

Flight Explorer is the only tool we know of that is available to determine if you are seeing something sinister from unidentifiable aircraft or high altitude commercial jets. By publishing your photos as "chemtrails" it is my opinion you are only perpetuating an Internet hoax of which there is no tangible proof and thereby discrediting your website's information about such things as the right to bear arms. Even Art Bell's buddy says it's time to cool it. http://unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=63 Since I have been around this issue for awhile, I have been able to document from exchanged e-mails with "chemtrail believers" of hysterical reaction. And it is very sad.

I am not singling you out in an attempt to get this message across and I'm initiating a letter campaign to other webmasters such as yourself who feature "chemtrail" photos. There are many reasons for the change in the appearance of contrails and I suggest you investigate for yourself, discern what you read and the source before jumping to a conclusion by the power of suggestion.

Thank you for you time. Peace to you and yours,

Sincerely,

Chickie Deb
Plainfield, IN
Just a housewife from Indiana

posted 04-12-2001 11:21 AM            

I would like to submit this collection of Chemtrail photos which are all confirmed not to appear on Flight Explorer. These pictures virtually must be from military flights.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/unidentifiable.shtml

These pictures may be used on other websites as examples of highly persistent trail strips left by Flight Explorer unidentifiable jets (commonly known as Chemtrails), just include a link to Chemtrail Central...

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thermit on 04-12-2001]

posted 04-12-2001 10:49 PM            

quote:

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----- Original Message -----
From: D. [on file]
To: chemtrailcentral@chemtrailcentral.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:28 PM
Subject: Remove slanderous post immediately

Mark,

Defender has stepped legally over the line in this post "P.S. Chickiedeb...................................aliases we are aware of." http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000352.html

I have never, ever in my life used an alias for anything. My name is Deborah [on file], I live at [on file]. Look it up in the White pages on the net. The only other moniker I have used, other than on my own messageboard was Deb or "Nodebbunker, just a housewife from Indiana." Monikers ARE NOT ALIASES. I never denied as Nodebbunker that I wasn't Chickie Deb.

A copy of this e-mail message is being sent to my attorney and you have 24 hours to remove the statement. Because people involved in this issue KNOW my real name and have spoken to me personally on the telephone over several months, this statement is slanderous. I have no reason to disguise or hide my identity and if these people want to fantasize that I am some kind of "agent, " that's one thing - this statement is another. And ignorance on the part of the poster is no excuse because the statement was made maliciously.

Deborah [onfile]
[onfile]

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posted 04-12-2001 11:48 PM            

the pokimon hear
and prod us along
as they over~ride the inhabitants
and string us along

made to worry about GlObal WaRmiNg
and iCeBerGs DrifTinG InTo yoUr LiFe
The DiSableinG SprAy rains doWn

gene~spliced with the latest demonik information
a tanker delivers it to your town

hey human
how do you get along
the question comes up again
why do you see

while millions of others
take there stock loses
and look at the ground

posted 04-13-2001 12:54 AM            

Or do I have that wrong?

posted 04-13-2001 07:13 AM            

People are just people everywhere, but I think they are influened by the kind of media control they are exposed to (not to mention chemicals delivered via chemtrails, water supply, food additives?), and I think there are regional differences, maybe targeted geographically and ethnically.

I was just venting frustration over mainstream media manipulation, errors and omissions.

Molliani,

Anyone who wants to label us as hysterical because we want to know what chemtrails are and who is responsible for them is insulting our intelligence.

The half-wit from Indiana, chickdebunker or whatever name or names she wants to use may just be another con-trail artist cyberthug. It was a big step up when Thermit kicked her off CTCentral for her own non-sensical, sometimes hysterical, sometimes threatening posts, like the one in this thread.

posted 04-13-2001 09:34 AM            

I've found a post from 'chickiedeb' I found
here dated Nov.9th 2000. It involves her alleged role in a supposed chemtrail activist group in Seattle!! (not Indiana)called C.L.U.C.K.... and then her apparent realization that chemtrails can be explained as simple contrails!!!

Sounds like the C.L.U.C.K. group may have been originated as a front org for the purpose of 'lampooning' and ridiculing chemtrail activists?

posted 04-13-2001 09:47 AM            

SO let me get this straight.
"ALLEGEDLY"
NODEBUNKER - CHICKIE-DEB = DEBORAH?

posted 04-13-2001 10:04 AM            

Seems their purpose WAS to disprupt any meaningful communication.

(Say that three times real fast!)

"slimey cyberthug slugs"
"slimey cyberthug slugs"
"slimey cyberthug slugs"

Lulu,

That's right, this creep is not our Deborah from Boston... but maybe some other Debbie from Seattle, or Indiana, or ?? who really cares?

posted 04-13-2001 11:29 AM            

The Crypto Cluckster/C.L.U.C.K group, to the best of my understanding, was simply a group dicussing Chemtrails which included djembemon, "Deborah" from Boston, as well as several other Chemtrailers. Chickie Deb used to be part of this now essentially defunct group. Chickie Deb obtained a subscription to Flight Explorer, saw that commercial jets were capable of producing long lasting contrails (no big surprise there, especially up North) and that national Chemtrail reports coincided generally with high contrailing days (no big surprise there, do you think they are going to kill their plausible denyability by doing otherwise?), and decided the whole thing was a scam and a hoax.

posted 04-13-2001 01:47 PM            

I'm going to have to get a camera or at least go to K-mart and invest in one of those nine dollar disposable jobs! Haven't felt the need to take pics in the past because there are a ton of chemtrail photos on these sites....I didn't think I could add anything to it.

Now I'm not so sure though. Not bragging in the slightest, but I could take spray photos over Sacramento that would put those spindly looking trails in the photo above to shame! It wouldn't be a product of my photographic skill of course, just that I've seen the most obvious and anamolous trails over this town. I've seen jets lower that 10,000 on hot summer days over 90 degrees, leaving huge, curving wakes behind them which suddenly are shut off as if a valve is thrown!

posted 04-13-2001 02:18 PM            

I got a rilly bitchin' digital camera called a PenCam Trio.

http://www.aiptek.com/Products_PC-Cameras.htm

Just about the size of one of those old Minox spy cameras (you should be familiar with those since you're obviously a CIA spook ).

It was $80 and takes coincidentally, 80 still shots or a few minutes of video and can be used for video conferencing on your PC. Software is real easy to download and use, but I did have trouble submitting them to Thermit and some people can't see them when I send them via e-mail, but that was probably my fault in rapid downloading without reading everything? I should try downloading it again, but haven't taken the time.

They now have a VGA version of PenCam and I've seen a similar product with a different brand name advertised on TV for 4 payments of $29? or something like that. I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to have a camera with them anytime they see something worth capturing on film/silicon(?). Using a camera without the cost of film or development is fantastic, and only gets better and less costly as time goes by.

For $80 I'm real happy with it. All the photos I took in Iowa were taken with it, except for the 35mm shots I haven't developed yet. (hoping I'll find some of those UFO's in the background, that my little PenCam couldn't see?)

I'm planning on getting a Ricoh RDC digital cam which is extremely cool, (about the size of an old 110 camera from the 70's only ultra high-tech with video capabilities), but a bit more costly at $650-700.

posted 04-13-2001 05:14 PM            

quote:

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but I could take spray photos over Sacramento that would put those spindly looking trails in the photo above to shame!

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hehe...you should take those pictures, Cy, but the only reason these trails are spindly, is because they were taken right as, or right after the unidentifiable jets left them. Give them a few hours and they puff right up!

posted 04-14-2001 02:03 AM            

There really are some truly amazing things I've seen in the skies over Sacramento, but didn't have a camera with me at the time. Last summer I saw the most breathtaking (literally) chem-sunset over Silicon Valley. Nothing Arizona has naturally could compete. Layers upon layers of trails that could have graced any postcard, as they were all flaming hues of blood red and orange and even tints of green in the setting sun. Yet not one trail was a naturally occurring cloud, whether "chem" or "con"...each one still came from the business end of a jet.

posted 04-14-2001 11:09 AM            

I'm usually in the Lake Conroe area with occasional trips to Austin and Dallas. I don't usually get into Houston until after dark, I've seen some activity in the Conroe area, but not as dramatic as aerial displays in the midwest. I know that major sightings can be sporadic, like they were in Iowa. The one big day I witnessed and photographed was probably the most dramatic of the 3 times 'big' days there that I witnessed. I'm sure there've been comparable episodes in Houston and Sacramento, but you just never know when they'll pop up.

I remember once you posted a kind of pattern of sightings you had noticed, but I wonder if anyone can predict when they'll happen by any kind of criteria? like weather? or political activity?...maybe it is just haphazard and without pattern, or determined by some set of circumstances that we're unaware of?

CQ,