posted 04-18-2001 12:07 PM            

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Mark,

I feel that I must comment on some recent postings which have been made to
your chemtrail board.

Between them, Mark Sky and nsasucks have been most offensive, the one
suggesting suicide in a poem, the other praying for 'plane crashes, and
hoping that those who disagree with him can develop cancer. Delightful
sentiments on a board that ostensibly exists to research a phenomenon which
is allegedly damaging mankind. It also reflects badly on your selective
bans. One thing that I never did was to wish harm on any contributor.
Ironically, Mark Sky has included references to Free Speech in his poems;
I'm glad to see that I have his tacit support for my questioning demeanour.

I would also like to point out that I have made official complaint to the
NTSB regarding the Hal Turner RFP. This initiative is potentially of great
danger to the travelling public, as well as to those who will be below the
suggested interception. The reasons for the unfeasability of the idea have
been very well articulated by TopGun, but I still felt that it was entirely
appropriate to inform transport safety organisations about the possible
threat; if the proposed mission is legal, then fine. If not, then I feel
that it should be prevented.

I enjoyed reading your report, which was a long-overdue analysis of aircraft
traffic patterns (I'm not blaming you for tardiness; I'm sinply making the
point that the chemtrail proponents should have performed this before). I
also notice that a rather deafening silence greeted your work. Could this be
because your work flatly refuted an enormous amount of the claims that have
been made by the chemmies?

I would really have appreciated if you had taken the opportunity to reward
yourself with the fruits of diligent research: your own analysis. It appears
to me that the following can be read into your observations:

The only trails which could not be directly related to passenger traffic
were at an altitude which debars targeted spraying.
Passenger jets were not responsible for any persistent trails.
All trail patterns were accounted for by normal and accountable traffic.

Regards,

Sceptic

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Sceptic, yes, I don't agree with suggesting suicide or praying for death. The latter is not a prayer, but rather dabbling in the black arts.

Regarding your comment "The only trails which could not be directly related to passenger traffic were at an altitude which debars targeted spraying", well it depends on what is meant by targeted. If the targeting is for the humans directly below the spraying perhaps, but if targeting is more general, I don't believe you would be correct.

Regarding the comment "All trail patterns were accounted for by normal and accountable traffic.", this is definately not correct.

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posted 04-18-2001 12:43 PM            

And...if I am not mistaken...it was the rant section, known as freeform. Poetry and self expression. THey must really hate that. Self-expression is a no-no in the New WOrld Odor.

The unspoken reality is this...even tho the agent can't post here, HE IS READING EVERY DANG WORD, NOW AIN'T HE?

These moves are obvious and the hits and implications are being emailed by the debunkers to all board moderators, on all the same times. Yawn. THis is so obvious.

posted 04-18-2001 12:51 PM            

But as for the evidence of chemtrails, I don't know how any one can be living in any fairly large population area in the US and not be seeing these. If one were to just make the argument that these are normal contrails even, then they'd have to admit the fact that these "normal" contrails are turning a perfectly clear sky into complete overcast. This fact is undeniable and completely proven by simple observation.

posted 04-18-2001 01:03 PM            

Seen it all the time on all the truth boards: 2nd amendment, NWO, CTs, whatever. T

The debunkers get removed - cuz hey it's not a debate for those who "know", it's about sharing information.

Then comes the letters. Ad nauseoum. They flatter the moderator. Same letter. Same approach. Flattery, flattery, but then the slam - the reason'd'etre of the the missive. To censor those who are spilling the truth. It's never the poems, it's the intel that is leaking that has them upset.

I've seen this letter - or a near version of it- over and over again for last two years, EVERYWHERE.

posted 04-18-2001 01:12 PM            

Certainly in general these forums are studied very carefully. I actually see quotes from this board on the debunker boards, that I missed the first time around.

http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=Chickiedeb

I don't see why Mr Dirk Digler had to be deleted.

Cy, Dirk started out pretty well, I was and am still appreciative for the plane IDs that he made, however this board is, as stated on the registration page, for those that are concerned about the reality of Chemtrails (whatever their purpose) and Dirk's posts pretty much deteriorated into sarcastic drivel. Reference his ridiculous "Bill Gates is in on it" post that made no sense. That was plenty for me. As I've stated before, I would prefer it if everybody on both sides of the issue could discuss these things intelligently and calmly, however as you know, we've tried this and it winds up being a war zone which I have no interest in.

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posted 04-18-2001 01:35 PM            

...that it is the "sceptics" who draw first blood. Every time.

Every dang time.

Then they whine about being attacked. This happens to me so much, that I...yawn...now.

They attack, fire is returned, then they moan about being attacked.

posted 04-18-2001 01:57 PM            

But Top Gun and Dirk, are a different breed of skeptic who present a credible challenge to the chemtrail argument, so I enjoyed talking to Dirk.....even if he is named after a porn star I'm of the view point that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a skeptic, in fact, I find this to be a very healthy attitude. We must all discern between truth and lies...and being skeptic is simply a natural part of survival. It is for this reason, I enjoy winning a skeptic (with an open mind) over to my point of view by presenting a case of logic and evidence.

posted 04-18-2001 01:57 PM            

FOR MARK SKY: I thought about septic's letter, when it must have been written and back engineered the time line by two dayz and looked at that running poem (ya know, free speech and all that lie) and guess what I saw in the poem thread, timing wise?

The stuff on Antartica, the NSA's mostly closely guarded secrets. Coincidence?

So, I just got off the hell phone with my friend, and I asked him to take the info and write up a ten-pager on that. He said yes and we'uz goin' to send it to every conspiracy board, indi-news site, you name-it-forum-chat-board we can find.

See, draw first blood and you just get more truth out. Dang...dat not be what we done intended.

posted 04-18-2001 02:01 PM            

I let the enemy strike first. I confirms things for me. That doesn't mean that everyone who takes me to task is the enemy, but I make lists too, just like they do. I know and have a nose for the moles...long EXPERIENCE...then...they strike.

posted 04-18-2001 02:16 PM            

I guess that makes septic the good guy, saving us from some serious mishap - I guess all those thousands of illegally flying and spraying planes are a danger, but one little, teeny-tiny plane IS.

Does ANYOne SEE THIS FOR WHAT IT IS??????

C'mon!

You can't belive - honestly - that this is some guy who is just "interested" in CTs for real, other then to shut down any research and work in exposing this nightmare. Wake it on up, people!

posted 04-18-2001 02:19 PM            

Let's face it, if septic ran all these boards...there would be NO BOARDS.

See A CHEMTRAIL PRAYER for full details.

Your mileage may vary. See dealer for details.

posted 04-18-2001 02:40 PM            

Now...everyone is going to read the poem we got a goin', that wouldn't have otherwise.

posted 04-18-2001 04:06 PM            

Letter from Dirk:

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hello Mark,

do you remember me? its your old friend Dirk Digler. i was checking out your
message board today and saw some comments regarding me and why i was banned.

i was quite surprised when i got the boot. i think you missed my attempt at
light-hearted humor regarding the "bill gates" post. i still flight instruct
part-time so i use computer flight sims to help teach. i saw that microsoft
is releasing a new MS Flight Sim in the fall. one of the preview pics that
was shown depicted a 747 with "trails". of course they are suppose to be
contrails but they actually looked like a lot of the chemtrail photos that i
have seen on various sites. i guess i should have explained my "humor" a
little better.

anyway, i do miss the conversation and debate with some on your board.
although i think it is highly hipocritical of you to ban me for 1 joke when
others on your board regularly post highly slanderous and venomous comments.
at least i tried to add something constructive to the conversation and never
attacked anyone unless i was first attacked. even then i think i showed
constraint. i think you may want to ask yourself why you hold the two
parties up to different standards.

i have seen it asked on your board why do I and other "sceptics" even bother
posting. well its very simple. i came to this board with an open mind. i had
read somewhere on the internet about chemtrails. i was interested and
researched the subject because it involves my profession. after looking into
it for several months i can honestly say that i do not believe that there is
anything sinister going on. in fact, i have come to the conclusion that this
whole thing was started by a few hucksters in order to make a buck. it
happens all the time. these slime balls are trying to make money by trying
to create a sense of hysteria. they use an ignorant public. by ignorant i do
not mean stupid, i just mean someone without in depth knowledge of a certain
subject. i was amazed at some of the posts on your board and the complete
lack of understanding of basic aviation and weather principles ... this is not their fault,
they are not trained in these areas. however, i would expect them to
acknowledge their error when it is pointed out to them. anyway, i cant stand
to see these snake-oil salesmen get away with taking advantage of innocent
people. by the way, i do not think that you are "in on it". you were always
generally accomodating to me. (at least until you banned me!!! jusk joking)

good luck in your quest for the truth. hopefully you will find what you are
looking for eventually. i do not hold any ill-feelings towards you so if you
have any commercial aviation questions feel free to email me

thanks
Dirk

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posted 04-18-2001 05:50 PM            

They're just a couple of frustrated male-bashers, legends in their own minds. Thanks for flushing them into the Cybervoid of CON-trail ARTISTS Thermit, but why even bring them back at all?

Are we back into the era of having to debunk the CON-Artists AGAIN?

P.S. Isn't if fun to be the moderator?

posted 04-18-2001 09:14 PM            

I've always believed in free speach, without censorship, unless the said free speach is detrimental to another party. Self-expression is healthy for the soul, and helps us grow while keeping the ulcers and heart-attacks at bay. I don't find mark sky's or nsasucks words offensive. I see a lot of pain, a lot of "mambee pambee" ~as some would say~ sensitivity, certainly intelligence, couragehave to say what they feel in this pent-up lie-ridden society we live in, and the truth of their words touches a lot of people. There's a lot of people here that have all of the above attributes. To ban this self-expression would be wrong, but then again, what about the world we see right now before us is right?

Sceptic, you go on being a sceptic, telling yourself the haze-filled sky is normal, that even if it's normal contrails, it's still okay, after all, people have to fly. So nice of you to offer your concern over mark and nsa. Tell all your friends at Chemtrails Are A Hoax AKA Putdowns R Us "hello". Not one shred of evidence there that proves their hoax claim, just a lot of sorry people trying to make themselves feel better by ripping good people to shreds. So sad.

Dirk, when you "looked into it for several months" did that included spending hours and hours monitoring the sky above you and taking meticulous notes, and looking for correlating patterns? How did you "research" the subject on the internet? And with only this you came to the conclusion that..."I do not believe that there is anything sinister going on." Hazy white is the color the sky is supposed to be? Really now: "this whole thing was started by a couple of hucksters in order to make a buck", you don't say Digler boy? How interesting. For me this whole thing started when I looked in the sky and saw a scene from your worst nightmare. A huge, skeletal-looking chemtrail that was miles accross, and oozing evil smiled down at me as my stomach took a nose dive. All the "research" in the world is not going to convince more than the feeling I had when I looked at this monstrosity. Perhaps you need to do some real research Marky Mark wanabee.

defender, it is kind of fun to be a moderator

posted 04-19-2001 07:59 AM            

I suppose you're reacting to the 'legal' threats leveled against you by the half-wit, and her con-artist gang. I can see it from your point of view. I really don't think they have a case, I can't believe you do, but it is your website and I'm not judging you for what you're doing. I'd want to protect my website too, without having to consult an attny of your own, (like the half-wit even has one!). I'm beginning to think NSAS is more on track than I thought. Looks like a good cop, bad cop scenario they may be playing with us, portaying us as bad guys for wanting the truth of the purpose behind chemtrails.

Thanks for letting me air my views for as long as you have. You have to do what you have to do to keep your peace of mind and whatever it is that made you create this board in the first place.

Mark Sky,