posted 04-21-2001 08:14 PM            

You bring up new age philosophy as a way TPTB use mind control. But "new age philosophy" is a very general term that ironically has many commonalities with eastern and native American mysticism and religion.....older than Christianity and perhaps even the Bible itself.

Although I have never studied any of these religions in detail (except the Bible).....I understand that all knowledge is gained through the soul, which acts as a conduit to the Creator and higher dimensional realities.

posted 04-21-2001 08:41 PM            

Well desertflower, I believe you're buying into a bit of liberal propaganda here. Bush is not shelving environmental projects, except for repealing some of Clinton's last minute executive orders. A more relative question, would be: if Clinton really felt arsenic in water was a problem, why did he wait until the last minute before leaving office to sign an executive order? You have to really understand that all Clinton's executive orders were, in the first place, just a way to create problems for Rebublicans, by-pass congress and seize power for his own personal and political purposes, much in the way a monarchy works. The Global warming problem is simply an excuse the United Nations tried to use to usurp US sovereignty…and Bush put a stop to it.

Although there are alternative energies (my favorite subject) that are currently well developed, Bush has to deal with the reality of this oil-dependent nation in the midst of a Clinton caused energy crisis, having over 65% dependence on foreign oil, thanks to Clinton's lack of energy policy. The first priority has to be to get domestic oil flowing. The Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge for example needs to be opened to oil exploration. For one thing, the Alaskans overwhelmingly support it, and the pipeline infrastructure is already set up. In addition, Bush needs to lift the oppressive EPA policies that prevent new power plants from being built and prevent us from tapping our vast reserves of natural gas.

We need to be self reliant on our own energy as a nation, or we will cease to exist as a nation. That's the bottom line. This doesn't mean we should be continuing with these basic forms of energy however. Just that we need to get the current energy infrastructure up and running in a healthy way while we gradually implement alternative energies. Bush's priorities have to be first and foremost...American interests, and that means fixing the damage Clinton did to our energy infrastructure.

Bush didn't cause our reliance on arcane technology....that was caused a century ago when Tesla was suppressed when they talked Henry Ford into using oil based fuel instead of alcohol (because oil was readily available and cheap). As a result, our entire economy and existence revolves around oil. Bush inherited this reality and must fix it first before we can move onto alternatives.

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posted 04-21-2001 08:50 PM            

First of all, most of these "spending increases" go to military pay increases, and not enough (in my opinion) on every thing else. Thank God this man won instead of Gore. The US military was on the verge of being completely decimated by the Clinton administration, while Clinton was simultaneously arming the Chinese. Had Gore won, we might have seen Chinese military bases well established in California by now instead of just tough talk and the stealing of spy planes!

The Bush budget achieves military spending increases, while at the same time cutting taxes. Gore would've raised your taxes, and cut the military while selling us out to the UN by signing the Kyoto treaty. Would that have been preferable in your mind?

posted 04-22-2001 02:00 AM            

I wasn't singling you out saying you are afraid. I'm trying to tell people that some of that technology may not exist, and even if it does, they shouldn't be afraid of it, but it's good to be aware of it if it does. I'm hoping that some of the lurkers, or Con-trail artists may read some of this and get wise to what TPTB are doing to them.

I didn't know you were in the Gulf War and I'm not up to date on holograms used in psy-war stuff. Are you saying you've seen that in the Gulf? I thought we had enough ordinance over there to make anyone beg to surrender without using high-tech stuff. Guess I should read some of your old posts? I do know they're working on things all the time, laser and sonic weapons etc. it does figure that they'd use the Gulf War to test their new toys. That's probably one of the objectives for the Gulf War in the first place! The non-lethal weapons technology actually does seem like a good thing to me if it's used in a legitimate war, and not against U.S. citizens. Like the psy-war stuff they did to the Branch Davidians. Ending a war without bloodshed seems like a worthwhile objective.

I was away for a few weeks and when I came back I saw you among other new members, so I don't really know much about your background.

I definitely don't believe the military's denial of Gulf War Syndrome. They tried to do that with Agent Orange in Viet Nam, saying it was something else causing vets to die. Theres lots of things that can be added to the list at the top of page 1.

Like Nixon/Kissinger paying half of a multi-million dollar ransom to the Viet Namese to get back our POW's. When we got the agreed number of POW's and the publicity shots of some of our POW's getting on the plane, then off the plane back home, Nixon/Kissinger reniged on the deal since they had the photo op, and left the rest of our guys over there to die. They didn't want to spend the rest of the millions they agreed to. The Viet Nam war seemed almost designed to destroy the U.S. while 'exterminating' Asians at the same time, though you could say that communist operatives helped to turn U.S. public opinion against it, that's the party line.

And also the Gulf of Tonkin incident that was used to get us to commit to the war in Viet Nam... claims that Chinese weapons were found on ships destined for Viet Nam were later proven to have been staged by some other intel operatives.

And also the fact that as of 1985, the number of Viet Nam era vets that committed suicide surpassed the number of deaths in the war itself! That means that as of 1985, over 56,000 vets committed suicide or died of drug overdoses. Thats something I never heard on the nightly news!

From what little I know of you, I know that you're a strong person, something I'm sure you learned as a kid. I respect anyone who has been through what you have including the Gulf War.

I personally don't think cancer, (or Gulf War Syndrome) comes from 'dark feelings' either. That was a big thing that came along with the New Age movement. I can't disprove it, but I know the effect it has on someone who is sick. It can make things twice as bad on the victim, because, not only are they sick, now, if they accept that philosphy, they have a guilt trip about causing their own illness! It gives TPTB an out, and a way to avoid lawsuits and responsibility for the illnesses they may be responsible for.

You must feel the same way, hearing TPTB experts telling you all that you're imagining things!

posted 04-22-2001 02:29 AM            

No I don't believe that dark feelings and emotions necessarily create the gulf war illness. I believe, as Joyce Riley does, that the Gulf War Syndrome may be have a combination of causes...such as depleted uranium used in ammunition and tank armor, as well as the experimental anthrax vaccine given to our soldiers. http://www.gulfwarvets.com

I say "experimental", because it in fact was experimental...never having been approved by the FDA. I believe that most vaccines for that matter, intentionally serve to keep the disease alive and the drug companies in business....and the Gulf War Vets were used as guinea pigs to test upon. I realize this is a controversial thought....but I think there is ample evidence to make a strong case that this is exactly what happened.

What I said was:

"I think what your saying is that what happens on the higher vibratory or spiritual levels is often translated or manifested into the physical world. Sort of like a blueprint for a building. The "blueprint" exists in perfect thought or energy form at a higher level and then the physical world attempts to build reality around the blueprint.

I said this in response to DF's comments as an attempt to clarify what she was saying.

I also said:

"Dark feelings and emotions that start in another realm, often manifest themselves in this one in the form of disease and sickness."

Notice my use of the word often, which does not mean always. In the case of Gulf War Illness, dark thoughts and emotions do not necessarily cause the manifestations of sickness when the physical body is introduced to the infecting agent....but I do believe they play a part in weakening the immune system and making it more vulnerable. In addition, my point was also that the disease itself originates as dark thought in another dimension. I guess to understand what I'm saying you have to first accept the premise that all things are really thought energy, including disease.

posted 04-22-2001 03:17 AM            

There are many other political prisoners of TPTB here in the U.S. and worldwide that may never see freedom again.

posted 04-22-2001 03:18 AM            

The only thing that stopped aushweitz was a box of cartridges, B17s, and the M1 Garand rifle with some guts behind it. Until the troops were coming down the road - mad as hell - the Nazis just weren't going to stop. The SS was literally going out the backdoor as the 3rd was coming in the front.

posted 04-22-2001 03:32 AM            

I think you're getting into the question of fate, destiny and cause and effect. I've asked similar questions like "how could a loving God allow evil to exist". “If prayer or higher thought forms really exist, then why couldn't they save an innocent child?” These are tough questions.

But understand, when I refer to dark thoughts or negative thought energy causing illness....I'm not necessarily referring to just your own thought, but also to something akin to Jung's collective consciousness. Imagine the Earth on any given day with many of the people of the world spewing negative emotions and anger and hatred into the ether. Well, what happens is that all that energy takes form in another dimension above the physical, like a dark amorphous cloud taking on a consciousness of it’s own. Just as mass prayer or positive thought can have powerful effect on the physical world, so too can negative thought on a mass scale. Remember that all matter is really solidified energy and all energy is really thought.

I deal with the reality of evil or dark energy by becoming aware of the power of my own thought/mind/soul to protect myself from it. Stated another way, we are not aware of how truly powerful an individual soul really is, until we become aware of its continuous connectiveness with God, and therein lies the problem. If we succumb to the illusion of separation and weakness....then that too can manifest itself in what we term as reality.

Said yet another way, your own will is stronger that you realize and capable of changing reality and fending off the dark thoughts of others....but you must believe it to the point of knowing. You are as powerful as TPTB….but their advantage is that you just don’t realize that.


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posted 04-22-2001 01:05 PM            

We've all heard the question: "If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?"

In other words, does something exist if there is not a perceiver around to perceive it? The conclusion is that if something does exist it must exist in the thoughts of some mind somewhere.

The bottom line is that things do exist outside our own thoughts, but all things exist in the mind or thoughts of God. In other words, God perceives all things that exist, and that which He does not perceive does not exist.

posted 04-22-2001 06:18 PM            

I don't mind reading your posts at all, you speak the truth. About Peltier and Waco, I think a lot more people care than the TPTB controlled media will tell us. Certainly more people would also care if that TPTB media would bother to explain it and not hide and twist the truth the way the do.

I know almost nothing about GWI, as we've been kept in the dark about it, and I haven't tried to research it on the internet because there are just so many other things going on. Truth about GWI will not come by way of TPTB, that's for sure. But the worm may be turning. God is running things, I just do what I can and pray for guidance.

I have a Glock 19, though I may try for a .40 or a 1911 .45 at one of the great gun shows they have in Houston. I'm a Glockaholic, so may just upgrade to a .40 in a few months. They are super accurate, low recoil, hi-cap mags, fun to shoot! I'm sure that law enforcement Special Operations Groups and SWAT teams will get some of that high-tech stuff you're talking about. I hope it's used for good and not evil, like the non-lethal stuff they're allegedly working on. Doesn't sound like the stuff they used in Gulf War was non-lethal though!? You'll know they have something when entire regiments go blind from the optical-light weapons they (may?) have.

The line between Law Enforcement and the Military in the U.S. is getting blurrier all the time! That should probably be a topic here in itself!

posted 04-22-2001 07:49 PM            

I don't know how else to say it, but I am not espousing anything from the "new age movement". I don't even know what the new age movement is really. And I'm not sure if I've gotten across the point about collective consciousness and all energy being thought that I was trying to make. All physical and non-physical dimensions are the result of energy and all energy is thought. When I'm talking about disease in a five-year old girl for example....I'm not saying that it is necessarily the result of her own negative thoughts....I'm saying that they are the victims of that negative energy directed at them from an outside source or consciousness. On the other hand, I’m saying sometimes diseases that manifest in ourselves are sometimes caused by our own dark thoughts or frustration. This is demonstrable by noting how our susceptibility to colds for example goes up at times of high emotional stress. The point is that, as a western culture we do not fully realize the power of thought….because we have been trained to believe that there is the real or physical world and the less-than real thought world. We don’t realize that the entire physical world itself is a solidified manifestation of thought energy.

We are all the victims of some degree to negative energy and our own perceptions, whether we are the causal factor or the victim of that energy directed towards us. There are ways to protect against this however if we become aware that we were never really separated from God. In other words His energy travels down our own soul if we allow it. We are connected yet we put up barriers to this inherent connectiveness sometimes by becoming locked within our own negative thoughts often without realizing it.

In fact I am suggesting that much of the evil that people do is due to this idea that they are separated from God somehow. How could the Nazis and scientists of programs like operation paperclip do the experiments they did on other human beings for example, without perceiving themselves as totally disconnected from God? Answer is....they couldn't. They either have no souls or perceive themselves as profoundly separate from the pure love of the Creator, in order to have been capable of doing the monstrosities they have done. The same goes for those who mindlessly take the lives of others in these school shootings for example.

You mentioned childhood abuse in a previous thread and split personalities, and this sounded amazingly similar to some of the things that NSAsucks was talking about when referring to symptoms experienced by the M-kids used in government programs.

This was a subject that was completely unknown to me before I read some of some of NSA's stuff and heard a Dreamland interview with one of these victims. If you have a computer equipped with Windows media player and speakers...I recommend you listen to this amazing interview on one of the Dreamland archives. It is truly eerie stuff: Here's the link:
http://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland/?id=20

Just click on listen at the bottom of the page. His guest who I'm referring to was interviewed about halfway through the program.

What I'm suggesting with this idea of spiritual connective ness and positive mental thoughts is that an individual can get through the most traumatic situation if they do not loose sight of their own indestructible soul and connective ness to God....because those who would victimize you can destroy the body, but nobody owns your soul but yourself. I see the soul like the spoke of a wheel continuously connected with the creator of the known universe at the hub. This concept is so incredible when you fully understand it, because to understand it is to realize you have the infinite power of God at your command at all times that can literally change your reality.

This may sound really corny, but I was trying to think of an analogy to get this concept across (since I haven't been too successful so far) but it's like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz: She always had the power to change her reality and go home by simply clicking her ruby red slippers but never realized it. You have that power.

(Ok , now that I said it...I do realize how corny that sounds).


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posted 04-22-2001 08:24 PM            

From what I understand, there was very much opposition from the old school of U.S. Military intelligence, about Paperclip and "The Rat Line" as far as incorporating the Gehlen Organization Nazis into our sphere of influence. But I guess the logic was clear, like using the nazi scientists for what became NASA. Those Germans, (some of whom were Nazis) sure did have the technology for weapons that everyone wanted. My understanding it that they had a little enclave there at Edwards AFB, and still do.

The real nazis, the Gehlen Organization had the connection, sources, names files, etc on everything in Europe and elsewhere. They were too valuable to kill. The sad thing is though, I and others believe that they got their revenge on America through Viet Nam and other fiascos that have helped to destroy Americas faith in itself. But then you have to look at U.S. and European banks who financed Hitler in the first place!

Also know of a purge within U.S. intelligence during the 60's and '70's and targeting of American families, military and otherwise through rape, robbery, extortion, murder... much of that as a result of Paperclip and the 'Fourth Reich'.

If you remember a news anchor, I think on NBC, Jessica Savitch was very successful, did a piece on "The Rat Line" on PBS show "Frontline" detailing the movement of Nazis into the U.S. in 1946. She was allegedly targeted and murdered like hundreds of others who tried to tell the truth and that was just in the '80s.

This is partly why the media today, does what it is told without question.