posted 04-23-2001 01:23 PM            

And Defender, as one of my favorite conservatives always says: "Words have meanings". You may call them buzzwords if you want, but I choose them carefully and use them specifically for the meanings which they have come to have. Thanks to people like Rush Limbaugh, we now have a certain negative connotation associated with the word "liberal". This is exactly the connotation they have earned, it is a truthful connotation, not designed to hurt, but to describe accurately exactly who I'm talking about. There is no better word except for maybe the word socialist or communist. When I say the word liberal....everyone, by now, knows exactly who I'm talking about so the purpose of the word is served. I have achieved communication of meaning which is my purpose and the purpose of this very accurate and descriptive word. Why change the vocabulary when it already serves the purpose of communication very well? Why fix what ain't broke?

Hippie is another example of a word that brings a certain image to people's mind. Most people hear the word "hippie" and think of a long-haired individual wearing a tye-dyed shirt and beads (maybe a headband to keep the greasy hair out of his eyes). They think of some guy that doesn't have a job and goes around protesting against the establishment while simultaneously experimenting with hallucinogenic drugs. This was the image created in the 60's....it's exactly the image that the word "hippie" conjures, and exactly the image I intended to convey.

posted 04-23-2001 01:38 PM            

I've been making gender assumptions too.....I assume chem11 is a guy for example, and I initially thought you were a guy too because your handle is similar to another someone else who used to post here.

posted 04-23-2001 01:54 PM            

I think you're totally missing my point about labels. To my way of thinking, you're in a 'conservative' box. If you're happy with that, that's fine.

I'm saying that the word 'hippie' has been devised and cultivated by TPTB through media and probably what you would consider a conservative media, just as the word 'nigger' has been used by racists to attack blacks. That image of a 'greasy hippie' was part of the effort, like the Manson killings, to portray anti-war and anti-establishment people as evil or worthless people. Your definition of a hippie is exactly what TPTB want people to think.

posted 04-23-2001 02:52 PM            

Damn, this is getting frustrating Defender! You don’t seem to want to see the meaning of my words….which is precisely the problem.

First of all, I think the premise of your all-empowered TPTB is flawed. There are many competing powers in this world...all with different agendas. You imply that there is one TPTB and one universal agenda…..which would necessitate a conspiracy on the largest and most universal scale, (highly illogical and easy to disprove). Conservative agenda against liberal agenda is just one such example of competing powers......among many. Rush Limbaugh is TBTB that created the term FemiNazi, by the way....and it fits to accurately describe a certain female liberal agenda such as the NOW organization....who in reality are a group of liberals, who use women's causes to mask their real agenda which is communism and an all powerful Federal Government.

“Environmentalist wacko” is another humorous term coined by Rush that describe a certain segment of liberals who use environmental causes to mask their real agenda which is once again communism and big government. These words convey accurate meaning. What part of that do you not understand.…or do not like!?

Hippies, created their own image themselves by the way, without the help of the "conservative media" (if there is such a thing as conservative media outside of radio). This is not even comparable to a derogatory racist term, which had come to be used in hatred by one group against another, and originated as a description of a country in Africa. People from Niger are called Nigerians for example, but this term became shortened and slurred and used in a derogatory way to express hatred towards an entire race of people.

By expressing the term “hippie“…I did not express hatred for a race of people, nor did I convey an opinion……just an image that was appropriate for the context of my sentence. You cannot compare apples and oranges .

All words are labels that convey meaning however. And, by the way, how do you know what TPTB want people to think? You haven't even identified who the powers that be are yet. How can you claim to know their agenda?

posted 04-24-2001 10:11 PM            

Thanks for your thoughts Delphi. I think the majority of people who've read this thread know what I'm talking about. These labels make it easy to hate, I've been where CQ is and I have my moments, but I AM trying. BTW I didn't think you were off in the past few days?

It's ironic that CQ would knock hippies, who were really responsible for bringing a lot of the New Age stuff that CQ seems so fond of relating to especially in this forum aimed at identifying The Powers That Suck.

BTW, The concepts and ideas for alternative health care and anti-establishment, anti-war thinking that they established now seem to be ahead of their time.

I think it's finally time to stop getting into these circular arguments w/CQ-CY, which
I'm sure will be a great relief to everyone! I knew I should have paid more attention to NSAS 'fighting back' series!

posted 04-25-2001 12:16 AM            

And Defender all I can say is AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!! ARE YOU TRYING TO DRIVE ME NUTS???! ARE YOU CRAZY???!!!! WHERE DID YOU SEE ME ATTACK HIPPIES?????!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUGGHHHHHH!!!!! (Just had to get that off my chest).

Go back and read what I said. It's all there in plain English. All I said was that I envisioned Jesus in his real life as probably more along the lines of a Crocodile Dundee or Indiana Jones (alpha male) type as opposed to the hippie, peace love and flowers in the muzzle of your gun individual that he is usually portrayed in movies. Just save yourself a lot of trouble next time and don't try to read any more into what I say....because I meant nothing more than that. It seemed to me that Jesus would have been a charismatic leader of an individual in person to have so many people follow. This is a common trait among most all male leaders in history who can appeal to people on sheer personality. I do not think he was the wimpy hippie type that Hollywood always portrayed.

posted 04-27-2001 08:34 AM            

You've been smoked out ...

It's never too late!?

Monarch Project & The Franklin Savings & Loan Scandal

The horrendous Monarch Project "refers to young people in America
who were victims of mind control experiments run either by U.S.
government agencies such as the Central Intelligence Agency or
military intelligence agencies," writes DeCamp. "The story told by
Monarch victims--one of whom was Paul Bonacci--is that they were
tortured for the purpose of creating 'multiple personalities'
within them," DeCamp continues from his book. "These multiple
personalities could then be programmed--as spies, 'drug mules,'
prostitutes or assassins."

An article by Anton Chaitkin, quoted in the book, states that
"professionals probing the child victims of 'Monarch' say there are
clearly two responsible elements at work: the government/military,
and cooperating satanic (or more exactly pagan) cults. These are
multi-generation groups, whose parents donate their own
children--who are proudly called 'bloodline' or simply 'blood'
cultists--to be smashed with drugs and electric shock and shaped.

Other children are kidnapped and sold into this hell, or are
brought in gradually through day care situations.

"Paul Bonacci and other child victims have given evidence in great
depth on the central role of Lt. Col. Michael Aquino in this
depravity," continues Chaitkin. "Aquino, alleged to have recently
retired from an active military role, was long the leader of an
Army psychological warfare section which drew on his 'expertise'
and personal practices in brainwashing, Satanism, Nazism,
homosexual pedophilia and murder." DeCamp's victory in court and
the million dollar judgement is a vindication of mind control
survivors Paul Bonacci, Alisha Owens and others who were falsely
imprisoned to keep them from testifying against their abusers.

Police and FBI Cover-Up

According to the sworn testimony of Noreen Gosch, an activist on
behalf of "Missing Children," whose own 12-year-old son Johnny, a
West Des Moines, Iowa paperboy kidnapped in 1991, was drugged and
sold into prostitution and pornography. "There was no law on the
books in Iowa or most any other state in the country specifying
that the police would have to act sooner than 72 hours-even though
we had five witnesses that could describe the car, the man and
various details of the kidnapping. So I wrote the first piece of
legislation which became the Johnny Gosch Bill.

Gosch also alleges that the FBI were active in quashing a TV
expose. "Just prior to the 'America's Most Wanted' story going on
the air...within a week or two of airtime, the FBI in Quantico,
Virg. contacted 'America's Most Wanted' and told them to kill the
story," Gosch continued. They did not want the Johnny Gosch story
broadcast," she says. The only reason the story went on is because
John Walsh is a personal friend, and he stood up to them, and he
said this story goes. This woman does not lie. I've known her for
years. We're going with the story. You can fire me afterwards.
We're doing the story.

And they did the story. But the FBI tried to kill this story."

When DeCamp, the attorney, asked her if she knew why, she replied,
"Well, of course. It would have opened up the biggest scandal in
the United States, bigger than the Iran-Contra story. Bigger than
President Clinton's infidelities." The Satanic-Military MK-Ultra
Mind Control Connection Continuing her sworn testimony, Noreen
Gosch spoke about "the MK-Ultra program developed in the 1950s by
the CIA. It was used to help spy on other countries during the Cold
War because they felt that the other countries were spying on us.
It was very successful.

"...Then there was a man by the name of Michael Aquino. He was in
the military. He had top Pentagon clearance. He was a Satanist.
He's founded the Temple of Set. And he was also a very close friend
of Anton LaVey [the late founder of the Church of Satan].

The two of them were very active in ritualistic sexual abuse. And
they deferred funding from this government program to use this
experimentation upon children where they deliberately split off the
personalities of these children into multiples, so that when
they're questioned, or put under oath, or questioned under lie
detector, that unless the operator knows how to question a multiple
personality disorder they turn up with no evidence.

"They use these kids to sexually compromise politicians or anyone
else they wish to have control of," Gosch continued. "This sounds
so far out and so bizarre. I had trouble accepting it in the
beginning myself, until I was presented with the data. We have the
proof. In black and white."

DeCamp asked her, "You known that Colonel Aquino was drummed out of
the military?" "He was," replied Gosch. "But then there were no
charges filed against him that stuck [the San Francisco Presidio
child abuse allegations]...I know that Michael Aquino has been in
Iowa. I know that Michael Aquino has been to Offutt Air Force Base
[described by numerous victims as a center of mind control-ritual
abuse]. I know that he had contact with many of these children."
http://www.raven1.net/ra1.htm

posted 04-30-2001 11:52 PM            

Here are 2 websites related to what are (and maybe) 2 of the biggest media cover-ups in the U.S. ever.

The first relates to the huge S&L rip-off, between $400-500 BILLION from 1985-1995 that conveniently disappeared, (and was all but forgotten), from almost all media coverage when the Gulf War started, and the second is related to one of the S&L's specifically with incredible implications..... very scary and time-consuming, but potentially the biggest stories of political corruption in our time.

http://www.netmagic.net/~franklin/SW1.html (S&L website) http://www.iahf.com/usa/20000629.html (former FBI Gunderson website...the same one sued by Art Bell!)

Chemtrails may be another form of population control, related to the above sites as far as media cover-ups and manipulation;

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/population.htm

posted 05-01-2001 10:50 AM            

"You can't enter an FDA building without an appointment to be there. If you try, you will be escorted out by armed security. The FDA has had more bomb threats than any other Federal Agency, and now you know why. When you do have a reason for being in one of their buildings, they have very tight security. You must pass through a metal detector and they search any bags very carefully looking for guns that people might use to murder them with."

"Do you think that you are so superior intellectually that we ordinary citizens cannot determine what is best for us?"

"Yes, they actually do think this. They're incredibly arrogant people, the most
arrogant people you can possibly imagine."

"Do you think that Dr. Yetley should have the right to unilaterally speak for us in a matter so important that it affect the
lives and health of millions of people?"

"She is CFSAN's Senior Scientist. Yes, they FULLY believe that she should have the right to unilaterally speak for all of us, and she fully believes that she is safeguarding the public health. She is an automoton. She doesn't THINK. She has been PROGRAMMED, just like a ROBOT. None of these people at FDA are CAPABLE of objective independent thought-they've all been scripted, molded, brainwashed, conditioned, and they're all very rigidly controlled. Deviate from the party line for even one SECOND and you're HISTORY. They all know this."

"How can she continue to ignore U.S. laws as mandated by Congress when all of us law-abiding citizens must obey those laws?"

"She, and Scarbrough ignore the laws as mandated by Congress because they genuinely
believe they are ABOVE the law. They come to believe this when nothing HAPPENS to them when the BREAK the law. Have their been any Codex vitamin oversight hearings? Hell no, there have not been. And why HASN'T there been? Because CRN and NNFA told Burton they "aren't necessary" and CRN and NNFA are being controlled from the top down by pharmaceutical interests which would not stand to gain anything if the Codex scam were exposed. The degree of HATRED and RAGE inside of FDA since Proxmire
passed in '76 and DSHEA passed in '94 is IMMENSE, but they are fully aware that DSHEA is chock full of holes that they're just getting ready to exploit!!! (It gave them the right to come out with new GMP standards for the industry, and they're about to come out with them in September, right at the same time the UN's millenium assembly meets in NYC. The UN is about to totally GUT what little remains of our sovereignty, and they're well aware of this."

"They are all CHAFING AT THE BIT wanting to BLOW PAST US, and they see CODEX as he means to do just that as well as to EXPAND their power WORLD WIDE! When they go to Codex meetings in Germany, they feel EMBARRASSED that other countries have had far greater success in suppressing consumer access to vitamins. They have been openly MOCKED by their regulatory peers from other countries, I've seen this first hand, and they are doing EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLE to get PAST this "loss of face" by HELPING build consensus towards passage of a really restrictive Codex vitamin standard, because they really LOVE knowing that they're empowering the WTO's DSB which will EXCLUDE our testimony, and only listen to government reps such as YETLEY! They are SALIVATING as they think about how soon they will RIP US TO PIECES!!"

"As a pragmatist who realizes the implications of a corrupt bureaucracy, I must face the fact that you who are entrusted
with protecting and defending the rights of the people you have sworm to serve have chosen to ignore your oath of office and have made a choice to follow the party line and the political rewards that are handed to
those that have sold out. You may be assured that there are citizens like myself and John Hammel and many others who are not deceived by these Codex proceedings. We will continue to oppose your efforts to deprive us of our rights and will ensure that the American public becomes aware of the implications of these proceedings upon their lives."

N.William Gaskins Ph.D.