posted 04-20-2001 10:03 AM            

I understand some recent posts about peace, love and understanding. I'm all for that. But isn't it important to know who The Powers That Be are.

Are they aliens? nazis? commies? the NSA, KGB, GRU, Mossad, CIA, Red China, the military? the FDA? satanists? the NWO? conspiracy theorists? "feminazis"? "angry white men"? liberals? conservatives? repubicans? democrats? Mass Media? NBC, CNN, Wall St Journal? the Federal Reserve? the NRA? the ADL? the NOW? The KKK? the Southern Poverty League? Arab terrorists? The White House? "Chemmies"? or CON-trail Artists?

Or all of them, or a combination thereof?

To me, they are;

The powers who killed Kennedy and started the Viet Nam war killing 57,000 American boys and girls and 5 million Asian men, women and children..., (but they're not Americans or Viet Namese)

The powers who supported the Confederacy in the U.S. that brought about the most casualties of any war in America. (but they're not Americans or even just British)

The powers who killed 6 million Jews in WWII and years later forgot to mention that they also killed millions of Christians, including 9 million Russians. (but they're not Germans)

The powers that label every generation and every person in America as a means of control and division by race, religion, sex and economic status (divide and conquer).

posted 04-20-2001 10:32 AM            

I think that TPTB will always be a faceless, nameless, EVIL; the unseen enemey that slithers like a thief in the night. Call it Legion if you will.

posted 04-20-2001 10:55 AM            

TPTS: gives you a warm smile.

(to the tune of Oscar Meyer veiner)

Unt---I vant to be unt CIA killer,
unt that is vat I truly vant to be,
if I coot be unt CIA killer,
happiness would descend upon meeeeeeee!

Unt---I vant to give Jim Jones a lot drugs,
unt, guns and vomen, unt needles for free,
unt, Manson was a death's head disciple of mine agency,
SinQ vas sent to scare you unt me!

posted 04-20-2001 02:19 PM            

I think guys like Hitler and philosophies like communism had a lot to do with evil.....let's not give the CIA all the credit!


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posted 04-20-2001 02:31 PM            

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philosophies like communism...

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posted 04-20-2001 03:34 PM            

The corporate media plays along, as it always has, to continue the lies so the wars can go on without human interference. They keep us guessing, keep us at odds with each other in a constant state of fear and anger.

I'm trying to say that the American people aren't responsible for Viet Nam, just as the German people aren't responsible for WWII. Even back to the Civil War, they all had support and financing from world banks and weapons empires. They thrive on fear and hatred. They're the opposite of what Lulu is talking about. If we had more of a voice in the media, we'd have a better chance, but we still have the Internet and maybe the Millionth Monkey is around the corner?

"I rode a tank, held a general's rank, when the Blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

"Let me please introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste!"

[Mark Sky, anyone, can you get the midi for that?...."Sympathy for TPTB"!]

I'm writing this as the protests are going on in Quebec!! Pray for them, if you're into that?

Not trying to get a last word here, just comments.

posted 04-20-2001 04:20 PM            

In order for a socialist government to be implemented...it must be enforced because human nature does not accept it naturally. Therefore a socialist government requires an elite class of enforcers who live above the rules that govern the rest of the socialist society. This ruling class becomes the communist party, therefore “true socialism” usually degrades to communism or a communist dictatorship. This allows for absolute power....whereas the Democratic-Republic/ capitalistic government, by comparison, has competing powers. Because of these competing powers in a capitalistic system, it becomes very difficult for any one group to assume absolute rule for very long. The American people only have oppression (such as over-taxation) due to their own apathy, ignorance and believing years of propaganda spewed forth by government elites who depend on taxpayer money for their power . GW for example, is even having trouble getting a majority of the American public to agree to a refund of their own money! UNBELIEVABLE!

But yes the point is that socialism and communism allow corrupt individuals to assume absolute power....and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's amazing we haven't learned from history yet!

BTW, I think you're all right. I understand NSA's anger, but part of my thinking is that TPTB/TPTS use racism and nationalism to feed the hatred that fuels warfare and stokes the military/industrial/media complex

posted 04-20-2001 04:39 PM            

The 'left' is just another one of those buzzwords like republican or democrat. I think there is more of a threat to freedom coming from the 'left' in recent years, but it's all a shell game. That's my point, we have to be controlled... we have certainly been indoctrinated into a violent world and a way of looking at international politics. TPTB are also not confined to govt orgs outside of the U.S.

I'm not advocating we give up any individual rights, and I prefer a Democratic form of govt as opposed to a communist one since it's the one I grew up with, (or thought I did) but to blindly follow any political party without questioning their motives especially in light of the lies we've been told for decade after decade is unwise.

If you believe the propaganda that we are spoon-fed by corporate media every day, then you probably won't agree with my idea of what The Powers That Be are. Red China is one of them and CIA is another.

posted 04-20-2001 05:00 PM            

I don't believe this is completely true,...and here's why: When we are talking about the terms "left" and "right", we are talking about a political philosophy or ideology, just as when we use the terms “socialist” and “capitalist“. There is no corruption in either philosophy…by definition.

Now it is a different thing when we are talking about political parties. The level of corruption in each party depends partly on how closely they follow the political philosophy which they espouse. There can be liberal Republicans for example…(and there are). Some liberal Republicans are responsible for making it difficult for GW to pass his tax cut, for example. One liberal Republican opposed removing a gasoline tax (that was supposed to originally be temporary) in the middle of this current energy crisis!

The question of corruption comes in when you examine the motivations and find that these liberals have as their primary motivation to serve their own financial interests and power at the expense of the rest of the country.

posted 04-20-2001 11:34 PM            

The Hell You Say...…Devils play this HAARP

Although I intend to delve much deeper into the issue of the "High-frequency Active Auroral Research Project, (HAARP), for now suffice it to say :"The HAARP system is designed to manipulate the ionosphere, a layer which begins about 30 miles above the Earth.." Located in Alaska, "…the HAARP device is a phased array antenna system- a large field of antennas designed to work together in focusing radio-frequency energy …"('Earthrising'-Dr. Nick Begich(26))

According to Professor of Economics, Michel Chossudovsky, of the University of Ottawa, author of "Globalization of Poverty", under the High -frequency Active Auroral Research Project (HAARP), a new generation of sophisticated non-lethal weapons have been developed..
He states "that HAARP…[being] part of the ("Star Wars") Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI),..is fully operational, and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military stand point, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction. To this date," there is no evidence that this deadly technology has been used, [but] …potentially it constitutes an instrument of conquest capable of selectively destabilizing agricultural and ecological systems of entire regions"
Dr. Rosalie Bertell confirms that" US military scientists…are working on weather systems as a potential weapon. The methods include the enhancing of storms and the diverting of vapor rivers in the Earth's atmosphere to produce targeted droughts or floods.(The Times, London, 23November,2000)" She depicts HAARP as "a gigantic heater that can cause major disruption in the ionosphere, creating not just holes, but long incisions in the protective layer that keeps deadly radiation from bombarding the planet" (Briarpatch, January,2000[emphasis added])
Chossudovsky's article further states that "The use of HAARP-if it were to be applied-could have potentially devastating impacts on the world's climate….it could be used to selectively modify climate in different parts of the World …"
An international Convention that was ratified by the UN General Assembly in 1997 bans " military or other hostile use of environmental modification techniques…for changing-through deliberate manipulation of natural processes-the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere or hydrosphere or of outer space."(UN Chronicle. July, 1984, Vol 21,p.27.)
" More generally, HAARP has the ability of modifying the World's electromagnetic field. It is part of an arsenal of 'electronic weapons' which US military researchers consider a 'gentler and kinder warfare'
(Don Herskovitz, Killing them Softly, Journal of Electronic Defense, August,1993)
As far as I'm concerned,--this shit is way too weird. What the hell-give me a good old fashioned nuclear bomb any day, --at least that way our shadows will be left for posterity.
( I can't for the life of me figure out what happened to my usually sunny disposition.).
MUST BE HELL WEEK

Much of this material is taken from "Angels Don't Play this HAARP",written 6 years ago.
If as Dr. Begich says, technology is turning over at the rate of every 9 to 10 months,(and that was 2 years ago,--- incorporating the fact that the time line is now moving exponentially, I shudder to think what that rate is now.)--------- Did I say that I believe on miracles?
Thanks for listening, if you got this far---I know it's a long one.
Here's another gem from Dan Quayle:
" I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and [demockracy]--but that could change." Gotta love that man.
PEACE AND LOVE

posted 04-21-2001 09:17 AM            

Delphi, I believe that part of TPTB 'power' lies in their ability to confuse, to frighten. Although they do have access to state-of-the-art weaponry and technology, they also rely on disinformation to continue clandestine operations. This hologram projection technology may or may not exist, like mind control implants... I tend to think that they do, (especially implants) but even if they didn't, the use of them as an idea or a threat is enough for TPTB to keep fear alive in a free persons heart.

In that respect, I believe in desert flowers approach. I also believe like Lulu and most of us here that Love is THE ultimate power and will win out, though I'm not sure it can happen in our lives in this time and space. I know that we will find answers when we cross over that will overshadow any fear or pain we've experienced in this reality.

But in this world, history has shown that change often involves violence as we see now in Quebec. Some of it probably created by newer forms of COINTELPRO and the use of agents provacatuers to create hatred and violence and to allow authorities and media to 'crack down' on the protesters.

The warfare and mass destruction we have seen exported by TPTB to countries and peoples outside of the US (Viet Nam, Nicaragua, Africa, Palestine etc) has come home to roost (in the 'free' world)in the form of AIDS, 'hoof & mouth disease' serial killings, school shootings, drug and weapons proliferation on American Streets. The TPTB may think it's America's turn to feel warfare again within its borders. I'm also convinced that TPTB or NWO see the U.S. citizens with their Bill of Rights and Constitution as a blockade to their progress, so that's another reason we're seeing so many covert operations directed here in recent years. Disinformation from corporate media sources has been pretty constant since at least the JFK murder.

I think it may be more pragmatic to educate people about the lies they've been subjected to by TPTB. In that respect, I think desert flowers methods are not applicable, but then again I may be thinking too conventionally in that respect. I'd certainly not discount desert flowers approach if it works for you. We can all benefit from more positive influences and real power in our lives.

posted 04-21-2001 09:33 AM            

I think what your saying is that what happens on the higher vibratory or spiritual levels is often translated or manifested into the physical world. Sort of like a blueprint for a building. The "blueprint" exists in perfect thought or energy form at a higher level and then the physical world attempts to build reality around the blueprint. (I probably made it sound more complex).....Anyway, I think I see what it is you're saying. I mentioned that it may also work this way with diseases like cancer too. Dark feelings and emotions that start in another realm, often manifest themselves in this one in the form of disease and sickness.