posted 04-27-2001 11:50 AM            

Yes, I've wondered about that too, like there could be more than the one launch site we're allowed to see. Like the James Bond movies, "Diamonds are Forever" showed a scene of a mock moon landing on a sound stage, "Moonraker" made me think about the possibility of other shuttle launch sites. BTW, the movie version of Moonraker was nothing like Ian Flemings book. (most of them weren't I guess, but this one had nothing to do with the book).

posted 04-27-2001 12:56 PM            

Crystal links
(If you have trouble getting to these links, try searching for conspiracies - mystery schools)
http://www.crystalinks.com/conspiracy.html http://www.crystalinks.com/vril.html http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html
http://newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/ufo/naziufo.asc
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/hitleraliengoldendawn.html
http://www.eagle-net.org/omega/omega4.htm
http://www.sasquatch.com/~kory/occult_roots.html
http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/fall/hitlersearch.html

Also Bush Family and Nazis
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm http://www.freeworldalliance.com/newsflash158.htm http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/societal/societal.html

posted 04-27-2001 02:33 PM            

The Thule Society inner circle had the following beliefs
Thule was a legendary island in the far north, similar to Atlantis, supposedly the center of a lost, high-level civilization. But not all secrets of that civilization had been completely wiped out. Those that remained were being guarded by ancient, highly intelligent beings (similar to the "Masters" of Theosophy or the White Brotherhood).

The truly initiated could establish contact with these beings by means of magic-mystical rituals.

The "Masters" or "Ancients" allegedly would be able to endow the initiated with supernatural strength and energy.

With the help of these energies the goal of the initiated was to create a race of Supermen of "Aryan" stock who would exterminate all "inferior" races.

On April 6, 1919, in Bavaria, left wing socialists and anarchists proclaimed the Bavarian Soviet Republic. The brains of the revolution were a group of writers who had little idea of administration. Life in munich grew chaotic. The counter-revolutionary forces, the whites, composed of various groups of decommissioned soldiers known as "Frei Corps", equipped and financed by the mysterious Thule Society, defeated the Bavarian Soviet within a matter of weeks.

Many other decommissioned soldiers waited out the turbulence in barracks, pfc Adolph Hitler among them. After the Bavarian Republic had been defeated by the Whites, in May, Hitler's superiors put him to work in the post revolution investigating commission. His indictments injected ruthless efficiency into the kangaroo courts as he fingered hundreds of noncommissioned officers and enlisted men who had sympathized with the communist and anarchists. He was subsequently sent to attend special anticommunist training courses and seminars at the University which were financed by the Reichswehr administration and by private donors from the Thule Society.

This led to an assignment in the intelligence division of the postwar German army, to infiltrate groups that could organize the working classes while the communists were weak. On a September evening, 1919, Hitler turned up in the Sternecker Beer Hall where members and friends of the budding German Workers Party had gathered. He quietly listened to the presentation by engineer Gottfried Feder, a Thule Society member, who talked about jewish control over lending capital. When one of the other group members called for Bavaria to break away from the rest of Germany, Hitler sprang into action. The astonished audience stood by while his highly aggressive remarks and compelling oratory swept through the room. After Hitler had finished his harangue, party chairman and founder, Anton Drexler, immediately asked him to a meeting of the party's steering committee held a few days later. He was asked to join the committee as its seventh member, responsible for advertising and propaganda.

Back in 1912, several German occultists with radical anti-semitic inclinations decided to form a "magic" lodge, which they named the Order of Teutons. the main founders were Theodor Fritsch, a publisher of an anti-semitic journal; Philipp Stauff, pupil of the racist Guido Von List, and Hermann Pohl, the order's chancellor. (Pohl would drop out three years later to found his own bizarre lodge, the Walvater Teutonic Order of the Holy Grail.) The Order of Teutons was organized along the lines of the Free Masons or the Rosicrucians, having differing degrees of initiation, only persons who could fully document that they were of pure "aryan" ancestry were allowed to join.

In 1915, Pohl was joined by Rudolf Blauer, who held a Turkish passport and practiced sufi meditation. He also dabbled in astrology and was an admirer of Lanz Von Liebenfels and Guido Von List, both pathologically anti-semitic. Blauer went by the name of Rudolf Freiherr Von Seboottendorf. He was very wealthy, although the origin of his fortune is unknown. He became the Grand Master of the Bavarian Order and he founded the Thule Society, with Pohl's approval, in 1918.

After the Bavarian communist revolution of 1918, the Thule Society became a center of the counterrevolutionary subculture. An espionage network and arms caches were organized. The Thule Club rooms became a nest of resistance to the revolution and the Munich Soviet Republic.

Journalist Karl Harrer was given the job of founding a political "worker circle". He realized that the workers would reject any program that was presented to them by a member of the conservative "privileged" class. Harrer knew that the mechanic Anton Drexler, who was working for the railroads, was a well-known anti-semite, chauvinist and proletarian. With drexler as nominal chairman, Harrer founded the German Workers Party in January 1919

The German Workers Party was only one of many associations founded and controlled by the Thule Society. The Thule was the "mother" to the German Socialist Party, led by Julius Streicher, and the right-wing radical Oberland Free Corps. It published the Munich observer, which later became the National Observer. Hitler became the most prominent personality in the party. He caused Harrer to drop out, and he pushed Drexler, the nominal chairman, to the sidelines. He filled key positions with his own friends from the Thule Society and the Army. During the summer of 1920, upon his suggestion, the party was renamed the National Socialist German Worker Party (NASDAP). The new name was intended to equally attract nationalists and proletarians.

To go along with the new name his mass movement also required a flag with a powerful symbol. Among many designs under consideration, Hitler picked the one suggested by Thule member Dr. Krohn: a red cloth with a white circle in the middle containing a black swastika.

Hitler wanted to turn the German Workers Party into a mass-conscious fighting party, but Harrer and Drexler were hesitant, due in part to their woeful financial situation. The Thule Society was not yet supplying very much money and no one seemed to know how to build up a mass party. Hitler arranged two public meetings in obscure beer halls, and he drafted leaflets and posters, but there was no real breakthrough.

All of this changed dramatically at the end of the 1919 when Hitler met Dietrich Eckart. Most biographers have underestimated the influence that Eckart exerted on Hitler. He was the wealthy publisher and editor-in-chief of an anti-semitic journal which he called In Plain German. Eckart was also a committed occultist and a master of magic. As an initiate, Eckart belonged to the inner circle of the Thule Society as well as other esoteric orders.

There can be no doubt that Eckart - who had been alerted to Hitler by other Thulists - trained Hitler in techniques of self confidence, self projection, persuasive oratory, body language and discursive sophistry. With these tools, in a short period of time he was able to move the obscure workers party from the club and beer hall atmosphere to a mass movement. The emotion charged lay speaker became an expert orator, capable of mesmerizing a vast audience.

One should not underestimate occultism's influence on Hitler. His subsequent rejection of Free Masons and esoteric movements, of Theosophy, of Anthrosophy, does not necessarily mean otherwise. Occult circles have long been known as covers for espionage and influence peddling. Hitler's spy apparatus under Canaris and Heydrich were well aware of these conduits, particularly from the direction of Britain which had within its MI5 intelligence agency a department known as the Occult Bureau. That these potential sources of trouble were purged from Nazi life should not be taken to mean that Hitler and the Nazi secret societies were not influenced by mystical and occult writers such as Madame Blavatsky, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Guido Von List, Lanz Von Liebenfels, Rudolf Steiner, George Gurdjieff, Karl Haushofer and Theodor Fritsch. Although Hitler later denounced and ridiculed many of them, he did dedicate his book Mein Kampf to his teacher Dietrich Eckart.

A frequent visitor to Landsberg Prison where Hitler was writing Mein Kampf with the help of Rudolf Hess, was General Karl Haushofer, a university professor and director of the Munich Institute of Geopolitics. Haushofer, Hitler, and Hess had long conversations together. Hess also kept records of these conversations. Hitler's demands for German "Living Space" in the east at the expense of the Slavic nations were based on the geopolitical theories of the learned professor.

Haushofer was also inclined toward the esoteric. as military attache in Japan, he had studied Zen-Buddhism. He had also gone through initiations at the hands of Tibetan Lamas. He became Hitler's second "esoteric mentor", replacing Dietrich Eckart. In Berlin, Haushofer had founded the Luminous Lodge or the Vril Society. The lodge's objective was to explore the origins of the Aryan race and to perform exercises in concentration to awaken the forces of "Vril". Haushofer was a student of the Russian magician and metaphysician Gregor Ivanovich Gurdyev (George Gurdjieff).

Both Gurdjeiff and Haushofer maintained that they had contacts with secret Tibetan Lodges that possessed the secret of the "Superman". The lodge included Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Himmler, Goring, and Hitler's subsequent personal physician Dr. Morell. It is also known that Aleister Crowley and Gurdjieff sought contact with Hitler. Hitler's unusual powers of suggestion become more understandable if one keeps in mind that he had access to the "secret" psychological techniques of the esoteric lodges. Haushofer taught him the techniques of Gurdjieff which, in turn, were based on the teachings of the Sufis and the Tibetan Lamas- and familiarized him with the Zen teaching of the Japanese Society of the Green Dragon.

in the latter half of the previous century, intriguing hints about Tibetan secret teachings had been carried to the west by Helena Blavatsky, who claimed initiation at the hands of the Holy Lamas themselves. Blavatsky taught that her "Hidden Masters" and "Secret Chiefs" had their earthly residence in the Himalayan region. As soon as the Nazi movement had sufficient funds, it began to organize a number of expeditions to Tibet and these succeeded one another practically without interruption until 1943. One of the most tangible expressions of Nazi interest in Tibet was the party`s adoption of its deepest and most mystical of symbols-the swastika.

The swastika is one of mankind's oldest symbols, and apart from the cross and the circle, probably the most widely distributed. It is shown on pottery fragments from Greece dating back to the eighth century b.c. It was used in ancient Egypt, India and China. The Navaho indians of North America have a traditional swastika pattern. Arab-Islamic sorcerers used it. In more recent times, it was incorporated in the flags of certain baltic states.

The idea for the use of the swastika by the Nazis came from a dentist named Dr. Friedrich Krohn who was a member of the secret Germanen order. Krohn produced the design for the actual form in which the Nazis came to use the symbol, that is reversed, spinning in an anti-clockwise direction. As a solar symbol, the swastika is properly thought of as spinning, and the Buddhists have always believed the symbol attracted luck. The Sanskrit word "svastika" means good fortune and well being. According to Cabbalistic lore and occult theory, chaotic force can be evoked by revers- ing the symbol. And so the symbol appeared as the flag of Nazi Germany and the insignia of the Nazi party, an indication for those who had eyes to see, as to the occult nature of the Third Reich.

From "The Unknown Hitler" by Wulf Schwartzwaller, Berkeley Books, 1990

posted 04-27-2001 05:41 PM            

Desert Flower: I too have found that all the trails I follow these days seem to lead to aliens, and not cuddly E.T. types either. I was seeing the Reptilian connection so many times that I had to start reading about it and at this point I am about 75% convinced that this is the reality behind what is going on (including chemtrails) and that there are more powerful forces and beings behind that issue as well.
Is anyone interested in starting a thread to discuss these things? I remember that Prism11 on the "other" board was trying to alert us and was recommending that everyone read the Cassiopeans site. I was reading it before and since. Lots of material there and they do talk about chemtrails and Antarctica.

posted 04-30-2001 05:16 PM            

The Thule Society isn't "satanic" per se. That leads people astray because they don't understand the symbology of satanism, or even vampires for that matter.

Satanism and vampirism represent the same thing: predators from 4D. The reptilian species and cohorts. Why all the blood related ritual? Well, our 4D negative 4D buddies use blood and blood extracts as nutritional aids by absorbing it through pours while present in 3D, just like they suck negative energy from 3D when they're in 4D.

The Thule Society "opened doors" between 3D and 4D negative entities and began openly operating and interacting with them. I say openly because before they did it openly in their society they, and ALL OF US, were and are still manipulated (spoon fed beliefs and entire systems of beliefs) whether we've realized it yet or not. Obviously I realized it. Certainly many of you readers have as well.

So now in relation to the Nazis, the idea was to provide the basis for the 4D negative entities to more easily take over the planet. The *original* plan was to reincarnate here into 3D earth, but to do so (for particular reasons related to balance of all things created) there had to be a tremendous outpouring of negative energy in conjunction with the release of millions of souls: enter the holocaust.

However, because we Allied Forces stopped the Nazis (some will tell you that Churchill is a direct descendant of the real Jesus, not Jesus of the bible accounts) the original plan was a failure and had to be scrapped for another plan. After the war, many Nazi, who were in direct cahoots with the negative 4D entities that influenced and taught Hitler many beliefs (he communicates with them directly) fled Germany and Europe to Antarctica, as told by many. They built a base there in the middle of the continent. It's still there. But the Nazis are not. They've gone underground -- the base connects to a tunnel system largely concentrated under the United States. Once underground they became part of the underground set of races, assimilated into that culture as it seems. They plan to emerge, these underground races.

The second plan now in action is to simply come here mechanically in body already, instead of reincarnating into human bodies in the earth. So they're coming, by the millions, in ships, these Nephalim, to attempt to do what the Nazi movement failed to do: install total control over 3D earth, and if they can manage it at all (and they TRULY think they can pull it off, but they're mistaken) they also plan to control 4D earth and its inhabitants, once it crosses over into that realm.

Think 2012. We can't see past it mentally because all is subject to change. All gates open and its a total free for all. You have to pick: service to self, or service to others. Right now we're all service to self people. It's the nature of 3D. But not 4D. you have a choice. Believe it, transform that belief into pure knowledge, or become assimilated like the Nazis who went to Antarctica.

posted 04-30-2001 05:26 PM            

Grin. Gotta love asian attempts at english.

Anyway, underground bases: guess what? There are underground CITIES. Some as deep as 3000 feet, give or take a few hundred feet. Most are under North America, tunnels connect things. DIA, certain mountain installations, cities, and outposts. Entire races down there that have never seen the surface in person. Entire races down there with absolutely no souls too, just like the grays. Replacements for us lousy surface people, and armies to fight us.

I made a post about how wars are used to capture souls, replicates bodies, and subsequently use their genes to create entire races, then they put them out in a cryo sleep until needed.

They're coming up sooner or later. Before 2012 is over. Probabaly right about the same basic time frame that the inbound space-bound armies arrive, along with some stellar phenominon, the likes of which haven't been seen by man in the earth for aeons. Sure we have our cycles and our vague recordings of their passings, but I doubt the records of this upcoming cycle is recorded and available to the public.

Seems as though about 8000 years about a star exploded. It made what is now Crab Nebula. The debris from the explosion is out there, and it's certainly not sitting still. Wink.

posted 04-30-2001 05:38 PM            

In about 1050 there was a split in the Church. At that same time Asian and Muslim cultures recorded a "strange star appearance" in the skies that was visible for 3 days in daylight, and for 2 years at night.

Oddly enough, Christianity, with all its stellar recordings, does not mention this strange star in the sky, which was brighter than Venus.

I wonder why?

Well, that star became what is today the Crab Nebula.

When something explodes debris scatters. Stellar observation over thousands of years have informed man that in many cases this debris enters the solar system and affects the earth.

And so it is with the Crab Nebula. Debris on the way. Has been for 8000 years. Just hasn't made it yet.

And there is plenty of other debris out there that can be drawn into the same set of events as well. Imagine a brown dwarf star and its potential effect (Gravitational pull greater than the Sun's). Could it suck in all kind of debris as we pass close with the brown dwarf? You betcha. It can happen, and it will. The question is, how much will strike the earth, and how much dust will that put into the skies. Reminds me of certain writing that pertain to 3 days of darkness and blood red skies.

Interesting that Christianity somehow overlooked that star back in about 1050AD (based on light year calculations, it blew up in about 7500BC). But the oversight is not so surprising given the players involved: Rome and cohorts, and their knowledge that men of their day knew of future stellar events based on current stellar observations. It's no coincidence that today astrology is largely frowned upon as "the tool of the devil" -- heh. It's a tool AGAINST the devil (repitlians, et al).

posted 04-30-2001 08:09 PM            

Tunnels: yes, but not as much as has been purported, based on what I've seen. My teacher in Sedona took a group of us to one in Boynton canyon and another about 12 miles outside of Cottonwood. Both the resort at Boynton and at Cottonwood are agency fronts that allow those little satanic bastards to come and go, stay as long as was needed, and none of the locals would question it,b ecause, hey...it's the resort, stupid!

posted 04-30-2001 08:28 PM            

The Vril rituals invoked two beings from the Casse group/constellation. Golden Dawn Rituals, Master level do also.

The Channeled coms from them have that THERE ARE NO CHEMTRAILS AND THAT WE ARE ALL IMAGINING THEM.

What does that say to you?

posted 04-30-2001 08:34 PM            

OTO
Golden Dawn
Thule
Vril
P2
Annanherbe
Red Dragon
Green Dragon

These..."groups"...practice the darkest kind of black magic your mind does NOT ever want to even consider. These rituals are performed on mkids starting at age 4...FOUR...on children....