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Topic: 'SprayplanePilot' Admits Fraud | Topic page views:
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-24-2001 05:09 PM
   
SprayplanePilot finally admits to some of his deceptions...I always knew it was a fake, I just didn't think we'd ever hear a confession... quote:
http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=988087704&user=Chickiedeb Re(6): I gotta secret !
Posted on April 23, 2001 at 11:48:24 PM by Sprayplane Pilot Heh... I wrote the "airline manager's statement" and sent it to Carneycom via a throwaway email account... but yet they refuse to believe it's fake. If I were still allowed to post on his board, I'd post it in big, bold letters, but not one of them would believe me.
Edited to remove VEC association with Sprayplane Pilot. SPP has cooperated with a test to determine if he was VEC, which results in the appearance that the two are not the same due to computer addresses that originate in different states.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Thermit on 04-25-2001]
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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-24-2001 05:18 PM
Yeah, an obvious deception. I've yet to see a commercial jet dispensing so much as a persistent contrail.Another boost in the arm for debunker cred.
I'm sure Chickie and Reynolds are very pleased. Birds of a feather... sink together.
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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-24-2001 05:25 PM
It would seem that the only confirmed hoax is being perpetrated by the people claiming others of this juvenile, idiotic behavior.Maybe they can make some bomb threats to a day-care facility next. That would be equally amusing. If it wasn't so pathetic, it'd be funny.
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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-25-2001 12:00 AM
http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=988170986&user=Chickiedeb We love you too, DaNiece! As you can see, it's been pretty hectic around here lately. I guess this topic doesn't really deserve comment in light of everything else that's going on... But from a purely professional standpoint, I'm a little dissapointed. I thought you people were... better than this. You're going to have a tough time using the word 'hoax' from here on out...
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 04-25-2001 08:01 AM
Thermit and Chem11 -I checked out the Chick's web site last night. How strange. I wouldn't spend that much time using a website to debunk anything unless I had a financial interest in it somehow. It took a great deal of work to put the site together, and it requires an ongoing commitment to keep up with the message board day after day. Their board discussions sound like half of a flame session. What keeps them so energized when nobody over there is fighting back? You'll notice that Topgun's site has very few posts on it. There is not enough interest in debunking chemtrails to send crowds of people over there day after day after day. Finally, there's the fact that the people at Deb's are willing to lie to advance their cause. Sprayplane Pilot says he sent a false report in to Carnicom. Either he was lying then or he's lying now. And Chickie Deb in her "nodebbunker" disguise spent a long time on this board ridiculing herself before deciding to reunite her split personality. I hope there is some other aspect of their jobs which makes this illogical behavior worth the effort.
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-25-2001 11:55 AM
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And Chickie Deb in her "nodebbunker" disguise spent a long time on this board ridiculing herself before deciding to reunite her split personality.
3T3, I don't believe this to quite be the case. It was fairly apparent "who" nodebbunker was from the beginning, as she readily admitted to being ChickieDeb. Maybe debbunker would have been a better name...heheh... 
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 04-25-2001 12:14 PM
Hmph. I wasn't coming over here at the time, so I'll have to defer to you, Thermit. As I remember it, she presented herself as not-a-debunker over at Carnicom's until Deborah, I think it was, clued us in on her real identity.
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-25-2001 12:51 PM
Ahh...this confusion is due to her conversion or "change of heart" so-to-speak. She was originally participating in the Chemtrail discussions as a Chemtrailer, that is to say that, at that time, she felt there was possible something going on that was not normal. She eventually utilized Flight Explorer to do her own research. She witnessed commercial traffic leaving contrails that persisted and observed a correlation between weather fronts and Chemtrail reports around the country. After this she decided that it was all a hoax and was "converted".There is no big surprise there concerning either of the things that she observed. Yes, normal traffic can leave long lasting contrails (especially up North where she lives, compared to down South where I am) and there is definately a correlation between contrails and the weather fronts. The problem, in my mind, is that I saw the same things in my Flight Explorer research, but I believe that I looked harder and found more. If one reads the Trail Research Report, they will see that the number of unidentified flights leaving highly persistent trails is small relative to the FE identified flights. This is due to the fact that FE flights can be anticipated and are occuring everyday around the clock. The unidentified flights with the highly persistent trails (more so than normal traffic, I might add) occur on about 60% of days, are not regularly scheduled and require huge amounts of observation time to actually catch in the act and subsequently consult FE to verify that they don't appear. So, if you don't look hard enough you won't see everything that is there. Also, this task is even more difficult up North (generally) due to more persistent normal contrails.
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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-25-2001 01:42 PM
Well, there's certainly some history behind all this. A lot of it is actually relevant to the topic of this thread. I know a little... but it's bound to get ugly. Right now, I gotta chase that dolla'!For now, I will simply offer my opinion (based on evidence) that she was never sincere in any of her activity. Just another hoaxster.
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nsasucks
Chemtrails suck - alot!
Earth
530 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 04-25-2001 09:30 PM
Okay...two things...has it been conclusively confirmed the hoaxer is the original author?It would be awefull easy to say you wrote it as a hoax if the originator was dead. Or in some disabled. This has that old and familiar odor to it...doesn't it?
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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-26-2001 12:02 AM
This would require someone from carnicom contacting the responsible party and verifying the 'throwaway' e-mail addy.Not much doubt in my mind and I'll tell you why. CD posted a thread detailing how to use a 'throwaway' e-mail account to defeat the integrity of the board. She did this under the name 'DaNiece'. Since this was a blatant violation of board policy, and a direct attack on the board itself, I once again posted my objections. She was banned. But only after damaging a lot of other peoples credibility in the process of obliterating her own. I was pretty green at the time and wasn't privvy to what was going on behind the scenes. I do know that some people she was in contact with off the board, left, never to return. One individual's last post indicated that he was genuinely terrified and deeply concerned for his family's well-being.. after speaking to CD off the board. That's how weird it got. There's more, but this is ancient history-except as it pertains to the mindset of the individuals in question.
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-26-2001 12:50 AM
Hi, new poster to this board and glad to see NSA is still around.In regards to commercial traffick leaving highly persistent trails etc: In the North East where I live, I have seen on a few occasions (including a blitz of the past four days) planes leaving highly persistent trails and then planes fly near these trails leaving "normal" dissipating trails. I saw a plane that looked like it actually flew through a super huge trail and it left a regular contrail at the same time. I was kind of thinking this would be proof that the huge trail was not right. I know that it can be difficult to see these things accurately at such altitudes, but it really did look like a plane flew through a chem trail leaving a contrail. I was amazed by how the chemtrail all of a sudden looked huge because this other plane (looking tiny)really showed the scale of things.
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-26-2001 01:07 AM
Hehe... this is really proving to be something of a windfall, eh Thermit?Welcome to the board, eyesopen! I saw some of the most startlingly enormous chems yet today in WA, as well. Keep yer eyes open, eyesopen; I saw what I thought might be a commercial flight flying at the same alt. as the chems without leaving a trail. Thirty seconds later a bleeder chem magically 'appeared'. This plane appeared smaller and faster than the retro-fitted KC-135's were all used to.
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-26-2001 01:34 AM
Thanks Chem11,
hadn't realized about "bleeder" trails. I will have to look for that. On Sunday after a few hours of heavy row by row spraying, I saw planes flying at what I thought was about the same altitude with no trails and I figured these were some observation fly bys. I rarely see a lot of flight traffic and there were a lot of these no trail planes flying right next to where the super trail planes had been flying.
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goldrush
Senior Member
No, Calif. USA
109 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 04-26-2001 01:39 AM
Just for a little history, my first intro to ChickieDeb formerly, known as Deb, back in the fall of 1999, her involvement in proving the veracity of chemtrails, was very firm. Since replies to her posts were available, I sent her web links, and pictures, that I myself, questioned. Correspondence ensued, and I bounced my beliefs of weather studies related to global warming, and the related involvement of the IPCC, and environmental groups to the generation of contrail/chemtrail observations and the reasons why such a convergance was happening. This was before Jay Reynolds was even anyone a chembeliever like her, would even consider his contentions. Then Flight Explorer was suggested as a tool for better identification of what was being questioned. I have not lately searched to see if these older boards are still available to be examined. These newbies slamming her now, are simply angry that someone can intellectually accept a view that is not their own. If I can find a link that is still accessable, I will mail it to Thermit. We have contrails here in N.Cal. now, because the wind has turned and ocean breezes have moved in this afternoon. Humidity is up, and the weather is at least 87 degrees warm, daytime. It is 59 at ll:30. By the way, my first post re;chemtrails goes back to about March of 99, to Swediehoo, I was curious about it too.
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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-26-2001 02:00 AM
Goldrush,I have no problem with anyone whose opinions on the reality of chemtrails differ from my own. I am not angry nor did I 'slam' anyone. I think the tone of my posts reflect that. You have made a few other untenable assumptions as well. What I do have a problem with is people intimidating other particpants, intentionally violating the integrity of discussion boards, posting information on how to do so and particpating in and/or condoning hoaxes. All these are facts and matters of record. I was wondering when a proxy response to this would be forthcoming. And I am loving every minute of it. Give DaNiece my best.
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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL
Level 64
1115 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 04-27-2001 01:00 AM
Chem11,If nothing else, they are persistent. BTW, that C.L.U.C.K. was an attempt by whats her name to deceive us, not a legit org in WA or anywhere else. Right?
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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-27-2001 02:13 AM
Well, so am I Defender. So am I.But the damage has been done. And it certainly does bring up some interesting strategic choices. One day this is going to enter the mainstream national media in a much more legitamte forum than USA Today. They will get their fifteen seconds and we will get ours. If I was in position of trying to legitimately debunk this story, I sure wouldn't want to have this particular ghost in my closet. So what do you do? Damage control would be my first priority. When someone presents this big of a liability to your mission you have little choice other than completely dis-associating yourself from them and condemning their actions. And what of the people who condoned and celebrated this embarrassment? How does this reflect on their judgement and credibility? Not favorably, in my opinion. Nor in the opinion of the public at large if the issue of alleged hoaxes should arise. So you're really screwed. You either have to abandon your current strategy or cut loose everyone involved and hope that's enough to salvage your own credibility. I know what I'd do, but then again I'm no debunker. I honestly don't know what some of these people are thinking.
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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-27-2001 02:48 AM
Well, as I understand it, C.L.U.C.K. was an informal group of 'vetted' posters at carnicom. A good number of these people came rushing to CD's defense after she turned, apparently out of personal loyalty. The perception was that this was being done in an effort to perpetuate the myth that these were 'normal contrails being dispersed by commercial aircraft'. I don't think that was the case... eventually CD's closest allies tore her arguements to pieces
and turned their backs.Unfortunately, a lot of mistrust being directed, even in this forum, can be attributed to those events. Perhaps that was the plan all along. Perhaps not. I do know that she burned her closest friends and alledged allies. History has a way of repeating itself, no?
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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL
Level 64
1115 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 04-27-2001 09:00 AM
Yes, it does. If I'm not mistaken, in one of the threads here that CD started, "Cluckster"? she states openly that she herself invented C.L.U.C.K. as a joke. But I thought that another source said it had Deborah (from Boston) and someone else who was thought to be a legit chemtrail activist as members?We could build a very convincing case if any of this ever did go to court, as far as debunkers using ANY method available to shut down constructive communication on the chemtrail issue.
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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-27-2001 05:32 PM
Oh God. I found the thread you are referring to defender. The Crypto-C.L.U.C.K. Goes Cuckoo post was actually written by The Sunspot, not you-know-who. Why she did not give credit to the original author is troubling, as is presenting this piece as an actual AP release. Notice the laundry-list of 'disinfo-drag queens' contained in the 'article'.. immediately prior to it's appearance the The Sunspot wrote a similar piece ridiculing those of us who were reporting illness after being exposed to CT's. When I asked him to explain his position he penned this press release. The only common ground any of the participants he named shared was their reports of illness. I pointed this out and he responded by posting an open letter to cecarnicom claiming that he was being attacked because of his homosexuality (something I was unaware of prior to his mentioning it) and that this, that or the other gay-rights group would be 'aghast' at the treatment he was receiving. Well, that didn't go over too well. Mostly because it was complete and utter nonsense. The thread was removed and that was the last I saw of The Sunspot, until today... Ya know, I actually tracked down someone that had been banned from Clifford's at her board. This individual had made a mistake and publically apolgized to me. I was impressed enough that I responded to him there. What I found was that there are people who have an inherent and deeply skeptical nature with questions that need to be legitimately addressed. And there are those that engage in an easily documented pattern of deception. It really doesn't serve either side of the debate to allow these individuals to prosper.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Chem11 on 04-27-2001]
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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL
Level 64
1115 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 04-27-2001 06:19 PM
I know, I hate to waste anymore space on it, but it seems like a good idea to keep track of the games they play?
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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-27-2001 06:48 PM
The Final WordEnclosed you will find a link to a thread that substantiates everything that has been said regarding 'Chickie Deb' and her activities. Amazingly enough, it is entitled Chemtrail Central, originally posted by Thermit. This is absolutely required reading by anyone interested in the topic of disinformation and hoaxes. It also contains a tour de force rebuttal by Djembemon that is most entertaining and informative. I was unaware that this thread was still in existence. Would anyone care to take a guess as to who originally saved this amazing thread from the abyss?
http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=3622.topic
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drummerboy
New Member
Saranac, MI, USA
1 posts, May 2001
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posted 05-08-2001 12:34 PM
For the record, C.L.U.C.K was invented as a joke, in order to rally those of us that were being ridiculed by a nasty Jay Reynolds. I coined the initials from Chicken Little Unified Chemtrail Konsortium, which was intended to be a humorous response to all those who thought us chemtrail watchers as "Sky-Fallers" and other derisive Chicken Little types. Much fun was had by all discussing rank and posts in this fake organization, and for a few weeks I even considered registering as a real organization, but it served its purpose of uniting observent people who, for a short while, could laugh at the ostracizing that was being received from the Debunkers.
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