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LWR
Cognitive Dissonance

Menlo Park, Ca, USA
224 posts, Apr 2001

posted 04-26-2001 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LWR     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
April 26 , 2001
Is The China Cloud Related to Chemtrails?

By Mitch Battros (ECTV)
I am sure most everyone is familiar with the ongoing articles of a strange 'dust cloud' which originated in Mongolia. This dust cloud traveled all the way across the Pacific ocean and hit the west coast earlier this week. It has now been reported to have crossed the US and continues over the Atlantic.
Article: http://www.earthchangestv.com/breaking/April_Part2_2001/0418dust.htm

Just 48 hours prior to the China cloud hitting the US west coast, the government ordered 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine due to possible terrorists which could unleash lethal viruses in future battles against Western states. Is there a connection?
Article: http://www.earthchangestv.com/breaking/April_Part2_2001/0422smallpox.htm

On today's 'live' Earth Changes TV show, I will have as my guest Michael McDonnough, long time researcher on Chemtrails. One of my first questions to Michael will be; what does he believe the purpose or outcome of the Chemtrail spraying is meant to be. I have believed that if there is evidence of actual chemtrail spraying as opposed to natural contrails from jets condensation, there has to be an agenda and direction for its use.
Website: http://www.chemtrails.org/chemtrails/main.html

If Michael demonstrates through his presentation of evidence and research, that the tested results are in fact chemicals being sprayed by high flying aircraft which in turn forms cloud formation in the way of grids across our skies, what could their purpose be? Some rumors suggest it is done to weed out the population. In other words kill several thousand citizens for some yet unknown reason. But there is a second possibility. Could the chemtrail spray be an inoculation to a terrorist treat which may have already been put in action. This second scenario is the only palatable explanation I can adhere to. The other is just so far out there, I will need a strong shipment of knowledge and backing information to believe our government would try to kill us off on such a high scale of casualties expected. Again, what would be the purpose? Who would benefit? and who could get away with it?

As you can see, this should be a very exciting show. We will have several photos and graphics which will be shown throughout the interview. To see Michael McDonnough's self-photo and a great description of highlighting the difference between contrails and chemtrails, go to our Front Page: (scroll to bottom) http://www.earthchangestv.com/


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My interview with David Talbott is now up on our audio/video page:http://www.earthchangestv.com/AudioCapture/index.htm
You will find this one fast paced and with the introduction of what David calls "The Electric Universe". It just so happens to conform (and confirm) my equation.

Equation:
Sunspots => Solar Flares => Magnetic Shift => Shifting Ocean and Jet Stream Currents => Extreme Weather

David Talbott works with a multidisciplinary team. From Geologist to Paleontologist, to Astronomers, and Mythologist. One of Dave's highest interest is "ancient text". He believes our ancestor were accurate and had a direct and strong message for us. We simply had to evolve far enough to listen. Hmmm, something about "when our present catches up to our past, it is then we will know the future" (mb)

Mitch Battros
Producer - Earth Changes TV http://www.earthchangesTV.com


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Chem11
megasprayer news


The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 04-26-2001 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find it a bit too co-incidental that we are experiencing what is being termed a "Chinese dust storm" and the Chinese are experiencing earthquakes during a period of such heightened tensions, rhetoric and horrifying policy decisions. To paraphrase the Art of War, the ultimate victory is to defeat an opponent who is unaware he is being attacked.

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Delphi
Mystic Warrior


S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001

posted 04-27-2001 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delphi   Visit Delphi's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LWR and Chem11, Sure do gotta wonder what's going on in reference to the "dust cloud", Quakes,etc.....and that's only the stuff we are hearing about...I shudder to think what else could be "going on" that we haven't heard about or may never hear about?? I have some "far-out" thoughts about the "Spy-plane" thing...what if it was actually a "Chemplane" and not a communications spy plane...it would be prudent to have a chemplane look like something else, and I have heard that China is supposedly the only country not experiencing chemtrails...maybe TPTB were getting ready to "fix" that...it sounds like a stupid idea if that is even feasible but stupider things take place everyday, just made me wonder, as it was a Navy plane and those are partly the style planes spewing in my area. Blessings, Joanne

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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 04-27-2001 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At first glance that is a little out there, Delphi. But really, the underlying premise is sound. We have in our possesion, aircraft that are capable of practical invisiblity, radar and otherwise. These planes are capable of dispensing biological and chemical weapons on an enormous scale, undetected, if they so choose.

I often wonder if the obviviousness of the domestic operation is not an attempt to broadcast this capability to our enemies.

Think these message boards aren't being monitored by intelligence agencies outside of the US? I have recieved numerous intrusion attempts on my computer originating from China, of all places, while posting at carnicom.

My advice to foreign policy makers that may be aware of the contents of these discussions would be to not screw with the US military at this particular time.

If they are willing and able to spray our own citizens with whatever they see fit and remain largely undetected, what exactly are they capable and willing to do to you?

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Molliani
Senior Member

Illinois
422 posts, Mar 2001

posted 04-27-2001 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Molliani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LWR,
You may visit this web site
and see if there is an Asian Cloud
connection. I've copied a couple
of paragraphs. The url is listed
within the text.
 
ACE-Asia plans to work closely with a NASA GTE experiment, TRACE-P (Transport and Chemical Evolution over the Pacific) that is planning to study Asian outflow to the Pacific in February and March of 2001. It will involve flights of both NASA’s P-3 and DC-8 aircraft. The focus of TRACE-P is on photochemistry in Asian outflow, which is complementary to the ACE-Asia aerosol-oriented focus. We plan to coordinate some part of our flight hours and ship observations to take advantage of the complimentary sets of instruments brought by the two programs. We will also work closely with the APEX (Asian Particulate Environment Change Studies) program, being organized by Prof. Nakajima. APEX will coordinate observations during a variety of periods from 2001 through 2004.

IV.5. World Wide Web

Further information can be found on the ACE-Asia web site: http://saga.pmel.noaa.gov/aceasia/. The web site includes the Science and Implementation plans for each component, proposed platforms and measurements, instrument working groups, and a list of all persons having asked to be informed about ACE- Asia.

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Chameides, W.L., H. Yu, S.C. Liu, M. Bergin, X. Zhou, L. Mearns, G.Wang, C.S. Kiang, R.D. Saylor, C. Luo, Y. Huang, A. Steiner, and F. Giorgi, Case study of the effects of atmospheric aerosols and regional haze on agriculture: an opportunity to enhance crop yields in China through emission controls. PNAS, 96, 13626-13633, 1999.

Collins, D.R., H.H., Jonsson, J.H. Seinfeld, R.C. Flagan, S. Gasso, D.A. Hegg, P.B. Russell, B. Schmid, J.M. Livingston, E. Ostrom, K.J. Noone, L.M. Russell, and J.P Putaud. 2000. In-situ aerosol size distributions and clear column radiative closure during ACE-2. Tellus, in press, 2000.

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RidesTheWind
visionary


The Void
1359 posts, Feb 2001

posted 04-27-2001 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RidesTheWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I seriously believe the dust storm is their cover for chemtrails, it was too obvious when they said the storm was carrying dust that would appear white and brown, both colors we have been buried under forever now.If they can create clouds, and they do,if they can create holoclouds and they do,
they sure as heck can alter a satellite picture to include a dust storm.We've all been saying repeatedly that the pace on chemtrail awareness was picking up and coming to a head. It just all fits too nicely together in a pretty silver package not to be one in the same.The internet is obviously screwing up their plans as the knowledge of CT's is fast and vast!

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nsasucks
Chemtrails suck - alot!

Earth
530 posts, Jan 2001

posted 04-27-2001 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nsasucks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wow man....don't you all see it?

Mitch is having the one guy on his show that is from a known agency website = chemtrails.org?

What does that say to you?

What does that confirm for me?

Like with Joseph Farrah - known CIA contract agent. Maybe I should do a thread on WINDS as my close friend had some interesting experriences with them two years ago that showed us they were agency doing agency/dames/misinfo/misdirect stories....

so let's start some rolling right now...

1. When streiber runs something out, so does WINDS.
2. When Scallion runs something out, so does WINDS.
3. When Dames runs something out, so does WINDS.

WINDS really is pushing that CHINA is your enemy, god save us from the enemy, vote for Bush, he be your buddy....

...I feel ill.

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David
Chemtrail Information Agent


1290 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-27-2001 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Things are really starting to roll. How long until the tanks rumble down the streets, troops keeping the "peace". Loud speakers blaring in the streets, "stay indoors, anyone found out after curfew will be shot on sight".
Trucks hauling away loads of people for protesting and voicing their opinion.

"Enemys of the state" taken out and executed in the public square to show them that "we mean business".
Do you really think that the "military exercises" in the bay area of Calif. a couple of years ago was just for drill??? Hell no, it was a practice run for the take over of this country. Why else would so many countries have been involved in that operation?
They were going door to door rounding up resistors and protesters during this "operation" and placing them in holding areas, for shipment to internment camps.

Wake up folks, WWW3 is being fought right now, right here.

"something wicked this way comes"


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RidesTheWind
visionary


The Void
1359 posts, Feb 2001

posted 04-27-2001 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RidesTheWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My good man Nsasucks....Wish you would post with the thought in mind that some of us aren't as up to date on all the folks you speak about so after I read your posts I often wonder who you are referring to and why.Who is wind?????Sorry to be so dense to alot of this nsa but it has not been my forte to cover all that.Thats the beauty of making a large group work....as I have found out 1st hand. Its knowing we each have our areas of expertise and going with that and having the confidence the others will pick up the slack as we can't do it ALL...I value your knowledge on this stuff 100%, I just need it laid out more clearly as I am doing research in others areas...Can you elaborate??? Or is this thread elsewhere where I need to go find it? Thanks for your constant input and info nsa!!!

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Delphi
Mystic Warrior


S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001

posted 04-28-2001 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delphi   Visit Delphi's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NSA, You're absolutely right! It is being "fed" to us from all sides that the "Shrub" is our friend but folks gotta remember, he is also "A son-of-a-Bush" too!!! His family have been up Chinas butt since forever?? Joanne Blessings.

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Catnip57
Senior Member


Central Washington
527 posts, Apr 2001

posted 04-28-2001 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catnip57     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know what the rest of folks are seeing on a day to day basis with the chemtrails. But during the Easter holiday weekend and especially on Easter we had such heavy haze that it looked like smog or worse yet a forest fire was burning towards the west part of our town. I even thought maybe this was the China dust I'd heard about. It also occurred to me that it could be another type of chem mix being released from TPTB and being blamed on China dust.

I've only seen this heavy smog a few times so far... but I'm on the look out for it now

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