posted 04-28-2001 03:42 PM            

If I was asked to serve my country in an intelligence capacity, I would have to think long and hard before I said no.

Okay....but...

If the truth about the use of children ever comes out, my guess is that we will dismantle our existing intelligence system and build a new one--a process that is long overdue, anyway.

So using children as sexual bait is not an activity Strieber finds repulsive enough to preclude his involvement with the intelligence community?

I feel sick. I shook this man's hand. Right about now I want to cut it off, lest this intellectual and moral disease he seems to have recently contracted proves to be contagious.

posted 04-28-2001 04:01 PM            

I know, why don't you sell us some more evidence for 10 bucks, so you can give us another history lesson. I mean a truth that ground-breaking shouldn't be for free, right?

Better yet, why don't you do that to drag out of the woodwork, all the people who are interested in the subject, so the agency can know who they are. Yeah...that's the ticket.

Try regressive hypnosis, but this time without agency head-shrinkers...you might find...as many of us did...that those were RUBBER MASKS that technicians were wearing, when the mem caps were being installed.

But do us a real favor...make those same statements and these others, on the radio so the public can Speech Reverse you and get to the truth we already know about.

1. I am not a Mkid.
2. I have never been abducted by the military.
3. I have never been contracted by the agency or any intelligence org.

You would be doing yourself a favor.

posted 04-28-2001 04:53 PM            

The going rate for truth at unkowncountry these days is actually $19.95, which seems a little exorhbitant for a short story in digital format.

You can not purchase this 'information' at a bookstore, anonymously.

Only online. With your credit card and a 'secure' connection.

Presumably, there will be a list compiled of everyone who has purchased this.. program.

And their identities.

I wonder how much that sells for...

posted 04-28-2001 06:54 PM            

1. Explain and cover military abductions. As the numbers is nearing a million, they needed a LH in place as the public was seeing the testing of their gravlevs and people were having problems with their programming.

2. Draw out the non-sheep or potential non-sheep. And with your own money, too. Just think, you get an active agency file for 19.95 and YOU PAID FOR IT.

posted 04-28-2001 06:58 PM            

I wonder what it will be?

posted 04-28-2001 07:35 PM            

Assuming they go ahead and smear you (what will they say, that you use colorful language and believe in chemtrails--gasp)...

...is there anything we can do to help you?

posted 04-28-2001 07:45 PM            

See...with guys like Oates, they sent in a woman who got him to start doing porno/phone stuff on the internet with her. Remember? Bell, Hoagland, and others were trying to destroy him - but only with lies that they later admitted were made up; they couldn't get to him (Oct 98 thru mar 99) then, their profiling revealed his weakness (loose um...women) - they sent in a woman, who after a month, then took her phone conversations and internet pix (they were doing the internet version of phone sex, but with those little cameras that sit on your monitor) and plastered them everywhere. Well.....naturally Bell and the others who were orginally trying to run him into the ground ran with the new data and he was disgraced from public life. The real downfall wasn't Oates, but the severe blow Reverse Speech received and has NEVER recovered from. That's how the agency works.

Now in my case...I just am immune. They send about a dozen women a year at me, but I see them coming and am VERY loyal to my family. I don't do drugs, so that's out. I don't make explosives or attend militia meetings so that's out. I know they have millions of pictures of me (they have ALL our pictures, yours, mine, blah) but to do something stupid would require a willing witness who would be willing to impeach herself and that won't wash, because my attornies would Lie Detector her, VTA her, and Rspeech her, just for starters.

posted 04-29-2001 02:28 AM            

However, I also say this: if I was asked to serve my country in an intelligence capacity, I would have to think long and hard before I said no. Our intelligence community is not perfect, and there is still a lot that needs to be told, obviously. But it is also true that there are brave people in the CIA and other intelligence gathering organizations protecting our security and our freedom at the risk of their own lives. They are doing this hard, unsung and terribly dangerous job even though the CIA has huge problems and many of them probably find its history as disgusting as I do. They are working for the CIA so that we can live in safety and remain free, and I have nothing but respect for them.

posted 04-29-2001 03:08 AM            

It creates dictatorships.
It coordinates the heroin and cocaine trade.
It kills free thought
It has developed unspeakable horrors to be used against innocent men, women, and children.
It assassinates legally elected leaders.
It protects and serve Big Money interests, while hiding behind the old red menace scare.
It controls the media.
It kidnaps children, tortures them, and turns them into basically dead humans to be used against other innocents; once the children/people are used up, they are destroyed.
The blow up buildings and order the shoot down of passenger airlines; all to kill one person, no matter the collateral damage.
It murders activists and potential activists.
It murders religious leaders it does not control.

Anyone who can look at the agency as "the good guys" is either a dupe who does not know, or a piece of shit. There is no grey area. If you know the above and still think these feinds are good and here to help the American people, then delusion is an understatment.

Streiber knows. He thinks there are just "a few bad apples." Statements like he is making now prove to me that he is NOT an unconscious victim, but more like a conscious field agent on assignment. THe show is the cover, the front, the cut-out...not to entertain...but to mislead and lie to you and me. My god...you have to see this.

posted 04-29-2001 03:23 AM            

Whitley's response, I believe, has more to do with the recent 'push-off' he has given the CT community and the resulting furor surrounding it.

I originally posted a thread, "Whitley Strieber, debunker?" over at carnicom that was perhaps even more critical. A lot of very active people within the community were equally critical. As Lorie K, stated "you just watched a man shoot himself in the foot".

Even particpants in his own forum were angry and confused.

Do me a favor. Go over to his site and access the previous journal entry. Now substitute the word UFO for chemtrail.

The absurdity of his arguements and the underlying hypocrisy shoud be self-evident.

Something stinks to high-heaven here and it has nothing to do with entertainment.
It has to do with intentionally mis-representing the facts. Here's a couple...

1)The Strieber thread was erased. There were appx. 70 posts, all of them critical of Strieber. Half the people thought he had lost his alleged mind, the other half were screaming 'agency'!

2) Striebers next journal entry deals exclusively with accusations that he is attempting to sweep certain 'conspiracy theories' under the rug and his own purported ties to intelligence agencies.

If these accusations are as unsubstantiated as he claims, why is he reacting so vociferously? And why now?

It's completley out of character for Whitley.
I can think of only two reasons. Either this 'chemsoup' has dramtically altered his core personality and his abilities to reason or...

He has been bought and paid for.

posted 04-29-2001 03:44 AM            

As to NSA's points....well they are hearsay and opinion. Some are probably based on some truth...others based on fiction and invention. NSA's whole argument asks us to believe he is really who he says he is, in order for his arguments to be valid. Even then, he asks us to assume he’s been everywhere and has seen everything regarding covert agencies. In other words, he is asking us to just take his word for it. Therein lies the rub..

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posted 04-29-2001 04:13 AM            

That's how public opinion is formed.

That's how people are misled.

And if you think that this doesn't happen, then I suggest you take a look at the disinfo thread I recently posted that documents the Moore/Bennewitz scandal and how devestating it can be for it's intended targets.

You seem to be a calm voice of reason in this debate, CQ, which I appreciate. But my gut instinct tells me differently.

And I always go with the gut.

posted 04-29-2001 10:32 AM            

Every item I listed has been corroborated not only in congressional hearings, but miles of first person testimony and evidence that has gone way beyond theory and for decades now.

Attacking my character by saying I not who I say I am or whatever just made the posters here who have known me for years and who call me regularly all laugh...and they now believe you are agency or some version of it.

posted 04-29-2001 11:30 AM            

I'm not attacking your character (necessarily). I'm sorry that you see it that way. If the things that you say really happened to you, such as having your brother shot in front of you, there would be no question you would have my unending sympathy and support. I also do not doubt that many of the things you say are documented, but they also may be a one-sided interpretation as well (it all depends on the biases and agenda of those doing the documenting).... I do not know what the CIA does well enough to defend it. I do know however that they prepare presidential intelligence briefings every morning,...but as far as their operations go, I don't think anyone really knows what they do because they are one of the most highly secretive agencies in America. As Whitley Strieber is fond of saying, this idea of secrecy in America is at the major problem (as far as the constitution and idea of freedom is concerned). I agree with him in this regard although politically I consider Whitley on the liberal side of the spectrum so I generally dislike his politics. CIA secrecy is also the reason that I cannot believe many of your claims fully NSA. You make many statements that would require you to be inside the CIA, and even those individuals are highly compartmentalized and know what they know on a need to know basis at even the higher levels. You therefore couldn't possibly know all the things you claim by first hand experience.

posted 04-29-2001 12:19 PM            

When I post, Most Everyone who has checked out my statements has confirmed them as being verifiable. The data is out there. I don't claim to have total insider knowledge - but when I am pointed in certain directions, I do what others do, I verify it myself. I make sure the data is valid.

If I make the statement that school-yard shootings are agency, I do this from intimate knowledge, that I have also verified from hundreds of 1st person sources available on the net, as do others. People who do research the shootings come to the same conclusion, so my statements aren't so wild after all. If I did everyone's homework for them, it would be a waste of spirit.

I often tell people to "check it out." They do, provide links themselves, and their own research - which is ever my point - never take a person's word on a thing, GET IT VERIFIED.

posted 04-29-2001 12:33 PM            

I don't have a NEED to be believed. I tell what I know, as others do, state my opinions, as others, do and really don't care what you or anyone believes about me. I don't task you about who you are and where you come from; I find it interesting that you do me.

In the past, on another board, I started getting into my personal history and it was a mistake.

I say this and to everyone:

Check the data out. Verify it on your own.
Do your own thinking. Relate cause and effects.

Material on the mystical orgs running this country is absolute firsthand experience. I have the documents, photographs, and other pertinent info to lay waste to any debunker. That info is slowly coming out, as I feel comfortable in sharing it. If tthat changes, i'll pull back. It depends.

posted 04-29-2001 01:10 PM            

I am going to take our favorite New Age Darlings

STREIBER
DAMES
SCALLION
BELL
RENSE
PROPHET

and all the others who have made a business of being in business to do their thing and help them.

That's right. I am going to help them. I am going to demonstrate how honest and trustworthy these people are. I am going to defend them by doing the following:

1. I am going to start doing speech reversals on their known public statements and shows. I will also find others who are doing speech reversals on them and publish those results as well. If they are as pure as the driven snow as they claim, they will welcome this.

2. I am going to start searching for documentation, in addition to what I already have, to "help them." Again, I will find others of like mind, who wants to..."help them."

See CQ, you have done a beautiful thing. Thank you for the inspiration...and God Bless you.

posted 04-29-2001 02:37 PM            

The reverse speech guru you refer to was probably on to some very meaningful research, but went nuts and decided to attack Bell in the most personal libelous and vicious ways at the same time Art was dealing with his son's molestation by a teacher. David....(something) was his name. If you'll research into that guy's past, I think you'll also find it quite interesting.

I guess the thing that bothers me NSA is that you seem to see all world events either in terms of "agency" and "non-agency" as their root causes…..when most all events in life have other causal factors, unrelated to covert government “agencies”.

posted 04-29-2001 02:51 PM            

He was never actually a military viewer, either.

posted 04-29-2001 03:08 PM            

I vant to help zem...I vant to show how forthright, noble, straightforward, and above reproach they are. It's obvious these fellows (why are they always men? What's up with that?) need some help out here, what with all these allegations of ne'r do welling and all that.

No, let's save the day!!! Let's win one for the gipper!

I'm sure they would welcome this assistance to disprove all these wild-ass finger-pointings...

...and like the government...we

posted 04-29-2001 09:17 PM            

Actually, I was hoping I didn't find this. Strieber's association with an admitted disinformation agent, Bill Moore, and an emerging pattern of back-stabbing, behind the scenes manuevering are more than troubling.

>From Letters To The Editor, May/June 1993, Volume 18, Number 3, IUR,
International UFO Reporter, Copyright 1993 by the J. Allen Hynek Center
for UFO Studies, 2457 West Peterson Ave., Chicago, IL 60659.

...The documents show that in June and July 1990 Friedman, Bill
Moore, Jaime Shandera, and Whitley Strieber (who said he owned rights to
_The Roswell Incident_) barraged Avon Books with letters and phone calls
alleging plagiarism, and Friedman and Moore (before their falling out)
demanded to see the manuscript. When they were rebuffed, Moore and
Shandera later escalated their attack and threatened a lawsuit. A
letter dated August 17, 1990, accused Randle and Schmitt of a "willful
conspiracy" to steal their material, "copyright infringement,"
"slander," "fraud," and other acts. Moore and Shandera then repeated
the threat in a letter dated March 15, 1991, and sent a copy to Avon.

Other repeated _ad hominem_ attacks shall go unmentioned. The
concerted effort to derail the Randle/Schmitt book is indefensible.

Richard Hall
Brentwood, Maryland
http://www.lug.termisoc.org/~moosie/ufo/txt/ros/118.htm

More...

"This is where I'd better be careful with my words. I keep hearing the terrible, vulture-like flapping of lawyers. It hadn't occurred to me that when he sent up Whitley Strieber back in Interzone 25, good old Tom Disch might actually have been risking a lawsuit. Yet he did sort of dwell on the remarkable coincidence that Strieber had been looking into a book called Science and the UFOs by Jenny Randles and Peter Warrington, which describes a "classic" UFO experience... and then, mere hours later, he was supposed to have had the strangely similar experience which was so profitably immortalized in his Communion. Badly drawn aliens with enormous eyes and faces made of putty removed his underpants and thrust their video cameras where no man had gone before. Or something like that.

Jenny Randles, who's a professional UFO author and researcher, made the mistake of joking about this suggestive sequence of events when speaking on the radio. Having been sent a tape of the programme by his UFOlogical colleague Stanton Friedman, Strieber immediately threatened a libel action. Randles lacked the funds to resist and had to grovel in public. Nobody messes with Whitley Strieber.- David Langford, 1990 ConFiction convention.
http://www.ansible.demon.co.uk/writing/uniconze.html

Another telling exchange...

Dear Mr. Streiber:

I recall only one short post of this kind, something to do
with Bob Lazar, and I think it was shot down pretty quickly
by other users as a fake. I don't recall its URL, though.

If you have specific issues with any documents on our server, be
sure to include a URL for each document in question. With some
20,000 documents on our server, it is hard to respond to an error
without knowing where it is.

Except in extreme cases, we generally do not remove documents
from our server, but we do encourage responses when appropriate
and we can usually position the response next to the original
document.

Come to think of it, if "whstrieber@aol.com" is a false address,
how do I know that "wstrieber@aol.com" and "whitley@strieber.com"
are genuine? On many mail programs, anyone can set their return
address to anything they want. How do I know this is really you?

>You
>should be aware that your posting of false interviews is actionable both
>in civil and criminal law. I advise you to remove all material allegedly
>by me on your website and post a clear statement to the effect that it
>was all false. I will look for this in twenty-four hours.

I take that back, you _are_ the real Whitley Strieber. My apologies.

Glenn Campbell
Ufomind Webmaster
http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1997/dec/d17-001.shtml