posted 05-04-2001 11:57 PM            

Grabbed this off of RMNews.

Happiness is a dead kid, eh TopGun?

CHEMTRAILS: Targeting the CHILDREN...

Posted By: Esclarmonde
Date: Thursday, 3 May 2001, 7:32 p.m.
http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=4662.topic
Posted to Carnicom Forum 4/25/01

Targeting children?
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Hello all,

I hate to report this, and I hope to God that I am very wrong, but....

Skies have been relatively clear in northern California the past few days. But I guess that is deceiving. Listen to this: I am a teacher at an elementary school. This afternoon while we were outside at recess a prop plane flew over a few thousand feet above us. Immediately a dusting of cottony, webby, little puff balls (1/8 to 1/4 in. diameter prox) began falling from the sky. Not blowing across as you would expect seeds from a tree, but falling directly down from very high up. I looked up and said, "Oh, my God." The children then noticed and said, "It's snowing, it's snowing!"
(Today was a very clear and quite hot day.)

After about two minutes the "web puff balls" all settled to the ground and I couldn't see any more falling. Then the plane flew over AGAIN (it must have circled around???) and it happened all over again!! All this in a period of about 10 minutes or less. I had the intuitive feeling that the school play yard and the hundreds of children in it were the TARGET of this abomination.

Later, in my classroom, I saw one of these things floating around and I captured it on a piece of tape. I looked at it with a magnifying glass and it was definitely not a seed of the blowing type. It looked much like the samples on the front page of this site: webby with a solid, white "thing" in the middle. I don't know what to do with this evidence.

Please God, help us. I feel like I'm in one of those dreadful dreams where you scream for help and no sound comes out!!!

patsees

posted 05-05-2001 12:04 AM            

I told this story once about six months ago and now, I'll tell it again.

Last summer, some friends and I went to a beach in Ventura called Salimar, which is halfway between LA and Santa Barbara. We went there to surf, which I do very badly.

We were hanging, enjoying the day, and in the distance 3 UH-1H helicopters came straight for our section of the beach. To our surprise and horror, it came in about 500 feet off the deck and began spraying the shit out of us. THere were about - oh - a few thousand people on the beach that day.

Needless to say, in a matter of minutes, there was a thick burning haze all over the beach - mothers were herding their kids in toward their cars, people were packing it in, you get the idea.

posted 05-05-2001 12:38 AM            

Now, they have to sneak around with chemsoups and lies. Don't you guys miss killing people with 30mm cannon bursts? Or how about napalm? You loved that Dow invention from hell, didn't you? Now Dow gives you chemsoup - not much glory or fun in slow biowarfare death is there? I mean, with the old days, after a mission, recons would come back with your kill count...nowadays you get your kill count from the CDC and the morgues and that takes weeks/months and how do you know it was your kill and not your buddies?

posted 05-05-2001 12:49 AM            

Deborah:
In the spirit of understanding, I read your post. I have an open mind, regardless of the information I get. So, I note, that you feel, and I quote:

"There is no question in my mind that our atmosphere is being conditioned by the military to accommodate [enhance] the effective functioning of their advanced earth- and space-based radar, communications and weapons technology. "

So, you are going with the radar shield reason for chemtrails? Okay, let's pretend butthead here is a newbie, how can you demonstrate so that I too can see what you see? This is not only a sincere question, but will help you demonstrate your case in support of same. My friends and I are eager to see this intel, that as you say, makes it so "there is no doubt in your mind."

posted 05-05-2001 07:16 PM            

After viewing the ladies message and reading your post I have one question. What does a prop plane flying over and dropping fluff balls out over a playground have to do with chemtrails?

Chemtrails are mostly associated with jet aircraft are they not? Mostly flying at stratospheric flight levels.

I have received no reports like this one and had it associated with a chemtrails incident.

After reading all of your posts on this board using the search tool I have come to the conclusion that you are quite an angry young man with serious authority issues.

posted 05-05-2001 07:39 PM            

Certainly it is worth acknowledging. I see no reason for unprovoked personal attacks.

posted 05-05-2001 08:01 PM            

"In the picture below you will notice that the 2 contrails are of the persistent type and through the use of flight explorer software they are verified to have been made by commercial airliners."

Really?

Odd, these contrails bear only a passing resembelance to what I have observed being emitted by military aircraft.

Perhaps a comparison will shed some light on this mystery.

posted 05-05-2001 08:45 PM            

I conclude that what is going on is much more complex then most anyone can figure out. Certainly low altitude spraying is going on and if you notice from the conclusion page that I state that that is exactly how I feel.

So it sufices to say that we need to stay on our toes and watch these national security and defence industry spooks and their operations as closely as we can without getting so close we get shot of course.

As far as personal attacks they are a direct responce to being attacked and people "ie (nsasucks)" are talking trash about me on this board all the time.

I basicly worked myself into the poor house with my research into chemtrails and if I were agent at least I would have had the resources to keep going with it.

You might have noticed that my research came to a close for about a year. It took that long to get it back together enough to get back to my research. Being an independant researcher means you are not biased toward any funding source. It also means in my case that I was my only funding source and so when it was gone. (my savings account) I had to quit and go back to a real job for a while.

The bong water bit is a responce to nsasucks self reported pot use. I had to mention that since it goes to motive. Read all his posts and you will see the seathing hatred towards authority figures is a constant theme.

His motivation seems to me to come more from pot induced paranioa then from solid research and observation.

posted 05-05-2001 09:01 PM            

...drawn first blood.

You have called me so many names in this thread alone, inferring everything under the sun, that you must now stand warned that I am - for the first time - going over to your site and dig around.

I run into your kind all the time. And then later, when I expose your ass, you are going to whine how you were here first, are going broke doing research, and how dare I question you, and all that crap I've already seen from your other agents here.

posted 05-05-2001 09:10 PM            

I see now they pulled you out of retirement to shut down this board and where it is going. That's too bad for you. I am well versed in the rules of engagement regarding rhetoric, logic, and other aspects and communications skills.

You people are fools. Hell, I was just spending, in recent weeks, less time on this or any site than ever before. Didn't you trend that knowledge. You obviously have taken apart every post I have ever made and are profiling me. We see that. Even a poem is made making me some pot head. I understand profiling. Now you are going to get a taste of your own medicine. The 5 to 10 hours a week is going back up to 25 as of right now. You think I am pissed off at authority? You have no FUCKING idea how pissed off I am at you spooks. I'd love to get one of you in my hands again.

You can't stop those songs. Ever. Dig it. They've already gone too far and too many are involved. They are going out. In the streets, every MP3 site we can find, every radio station that will listen, to every kid who digs rock, and to anyone with a CD player and some headphones. You want to throw down...join the club. There is a whole list of online bodies who have tried this before.

But I will take you down...

...and every agent you monsters send here.

posted 05-05-2001 09:31 PM            

Remember...about 9 days ago...on a thread here...I mentioned that I was advised that they were going to start a smear campaign against me? The intel has now proved out correct.

One has showed, now for the other two.

I have decided to do this one head on, as opposed to passive revelation, like I am doing in another thread with yet another so-called "chem heavy."

posted 05-05-2001 10:41 PM            

What does that say to you?

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It said to me that you assume I am a CIA agent or some such thing. Why is that?

Perhaps because you did not think my opinions stated on my site radical enough for your taste.

Perhaps because you don't really think what you say through and go off half cocked attacking what you do not understand.

I don't really care because you have not added that much to this board as far is information or intelligence data for your opinion to mean much to me.

I am a technology writer and have spent much of my time combing through patent archives and other government and private databases looking for clues for what is really going on in this world.

I am a reality hacker and militant utopian.

Most of my adult life "they" have been tracking what I do and what I say. I have come out in the light of day from the underground because I had some things to say and did not care of they did kill me since I am not stuck on this ball of mud anyway.

I am speaking from experience as far as paranoia. I had a belly full of it when I was first coming up from the underground. I just knew the NSA was going to pull my card.

When it did not happen I just felt like a dweeb. I just thought I was uncovering so much they did not want known I thought for sure they would not let it out.

When they did nothing I had to wonder if I had just been smoking too much pot during my early adult life. So I quit. Made a big difference. Paranoia is gone.

See my early work here: http://www.holman.net/ufo/ufotechnology/

And by the way I am profiling you.

I wanted to know why you said I was a known CIA agent? (I take that kind of thing as an insult) I wanted to see where that came from so I checked out every post you have done on this site and collated the summery and ran it through some software a friend of mine wrote for me.

The analysis was that you are an
anti-authority, anti-establishment, rabble rouser.

You don't have a lot of formal education but feel you are pretty well read.

Hey, it is just a dumb piece of software and can not read your mind.

You will find I am not a liar.

I might be wrong about you. You are certainly wrong about me.

The big difference between you and I is that I am out there in public. My writing can be backed up with facts. What I have to say is not quickly shot down and is picked up by the fringe media at least.

I have had 14 radio talk shows spots in the last 3 years. Now as you know 1 TV show.
See http://www.earthchangestv.com/AudioCapture/042601_video_mcd.ram

Linked from the UFO site above you will also find a link to Atlantis Rising Magazine check out issue #22 for an article about my research into UFO Technology

I am out there on the front lines of change. I am not afraid to back what I say. You on the other hand "nsasucks" are an unknown.

You don't seem have much if any research to share with us.

What is your product? What are you selling?
Paranoia? Mis-trust? Fear of THEM out to GET YOU. What is your agenda?

posted 05-06-2001 12:39 AM            

It is the 'paranoid' that survive.

And it is the oblivious that are quickly buried.

Now, I don't know where you've been for the last year, but we've pretty much come to the conclusion that these aren't commercial aircraft flying in formation over our cities.

posted 05-06-2001 01:07 AM            

I still can not buy the whole paranoid ball of wax that some people seem to feel able to swallow. Certainly parts of this are possible but I do see how a lot of people were finding the same conclusions at about the same time as this supposed FAA official admission.

posted 05-06-2001 01:28 AM            

We are looking for volunteer phone help, some people to help with the Access TV program we are planning. We are moving into some warehouse space at 3800 S. Congress Ave. We are going to have quite a set up when it is done. If you are serious about your research this is an open and honest chance to stand up for what you believe in.

posted 05-06-2001 01:42 AM            

Good look with your organization though. It's much needed.

posted 05-06-2001 02:09 AM            

Maybe you could intoduce him over at CD's place, Cydoniaquest. She must be available... last time I checked she was trying to make a date with Sprayplane Pilot at a truckstop or something...

posted 05-06-2001 02:17 AM            

Others are using telephoto to attempt to better identify these planes, with some intersting reults so far.

Can't tell who, though. It's a secret.