posted 05-05-2001 02:53 AM            

This technology is ready to go today, and the ethanol could be produced with solar panels (for heat and distillation) and natural US products like corn, sugar and yeast.

Problem is....our entire economy is based on oil.....and believe it or not, GW had nothing to do with it…but he is advocating solutions that will prevent the United States from going into a complete depression and collapse! Why aren't you libs criticizing the pollution produced by our enemies like the communist Russian and Chinese governments (who would be exempted from the Kyoto protocol, by the way). Why aren't you critical of Klintoon who caused this crisis, by his own lack of energy policy. Why would you have us become almost completely dependent on foreign powers for our energy supply? Why would you advocate giving the UN complete control over where the United States can get it's energy, how much it could consume, and the power to fine the US taxpayer if we do not meet their arbitrary standards. This is exactly what the Kyoto treaty would do, you know.

posted 05-05-2001 03:22 AM            

Here we are in the midst of an energy crisis. I'm almost paying $2.00 at the pump for the cheapest gas here in Sacramento. GW wants to go get our available domestic oil and remove some of the EPA restrictions to carbon monoxide (that Klintoon arbitrarily imposed) and make it easier for new refineries to be built.....but noooo that's not good enough for you guys. You say he wants to poison the environment. You say he wants to make a profit off of high energy costs. Well, I'm sorry....it doesn't get any more idiotic than that. The last thing a president wants is a population of voters angered over their most visible tax (what they pay at the pump). You seem to conveniently forget that prices were well on the rise before the election because the former idiot in chief who the brain-dead populace elected twice tried to destroy this country. GW is simply trying to clean this mess up and you greenhorns start in with your socialist BS.

posted 05-05-2001 03:45 AM            

My mistake! Sorry SkyWatcher. I got you confused with SkyLooker over at Cliff's board. When you posted on virtually the same subject on this board....well....I just assumed you were the same person. Sorry about the mistake. That thread really got my blood boiling. Here's the thread, if anyone wants to see why the mistake was made:

posted 05-05-2001 04:17 AM            

I am no friend of Jay either...and have sustained my fair share of his attacks!

Ba da bing!

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posted 05-05-2001 10:41 AM            

Your right about the UN the whole deal stinks over there. Your right about that communist x president of ours.

Your post here and some I've seen in the past at Carni sometimes infer that to be very concerened about this CT mess and to be very suspicious of TPTS is to somehow become a liberal.

Not even close.

posted 05-05-2001 12:00 PM            

...we can have our pollution indices climbing
...our smog turning our air into a hellish brown haze
...our chemsoup to turn us into numb little robots
...plenty of UV rays so we can crisper while watering the lawn

Goll Dang it! You just know that they'll keep raising gas prices until we say Uncle and remove every little fake piece of EPA protection that never really existed anyways, so we can drill more oil wells near our water tables and dump plenty of chemical waste into our foods and we'll call it some fancy new name so everyone with think its some great new taco from taco bell and alkjadkhasdfkjhadskljhasdkljhadsfnasdfkjhasdfkh

posted 05-05-2001 12:35 PM            

"Possibility"? Does this mean you are not certain that there is a spray program going on? Your kidding right? Maybe I misread this, but have you looked up lately?

We agree on one thing though. Klintooon was the worst element. IMHO, should have been shot publicly for espionage.

posted 05-05-2001 02:16 PM            

I try to keep an open (yet hopefully not vacuous) mind to all possibilities.

posted 05-05-2001 03:03 PM            

I know several physicists (of the nuclear variety) and every one of them has confirmed to me in no uncertain terms that what we are seeing could not be nautrally formed normal contrails. That with just observing the trails, not being presented with any "facts" or "evidence" that is online. Once they had a chance to poke around they held Cliff's site in regard.

They don't all agree with me that something untoward is going on, in as much as there are malevolent tones to all of this. It has been brought to my attention that "I spend entirely too much energy on the issue".

Most are ex-military that matter of factly (and with what I believe in all honesty)state that it is obvious military ops and leave them alone if they are keeping it secret it is with good reason. See that's the part I don't buy with a blanket order at face value.

posted 05-05-2001 06:53 PM            

I think the perception of global warming was enough for them to try this geoengineering program, the Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding.

Maybe there is some ulterior motive as well. For instance when you look at the ingredience in this US patent # 500318 the main component is aluminum oxide, and thorium oxide, and other Welsbach materials. None of them good for people to have added to their air or their ground water.

Here is some links to some of the research papers I read and collected off the web. These will give you a start to the idea of weather forcing technology and it's applications.
http://www.chemtrails.org/geoscen.pdf
http://www.chemtrails.org/Lecture25.pdf
http://www.chemtrails.org/helsinki.pdf
http://www.metatronics.net/lit/geo2.html

Fellow researchers when you can read through these files and understand them well enough to be critical of their reasoning or conclusions then in my opinion you are ready to take on the critics or become one your self if you are so inclined.

posted 05-06-2001 01:11 AM            

For one thing, I believe government officials understand global warming is a hoax....because many are the same ones perpetuating the hoax for political purposes. Now global warming may be a natural process the Earth goes through between ice ages.....but does man cause it? Now that's the question to which there is no positive answer or proof, only assumption. The idea that the US is the largest producer of CO2 emissions, a "greenhouse gas", is the main argument that allows other countries to blame the problem of global warming on the United States....and hence we end up with treaties like the Kyoto protocol, which if ratified, would fundamentally hand US energy policy directly over to the UN (which can't even manage itself competently).

As you can see, this is nothing more than a ploy to usurp power and sovereignty from the United States. Our entire system of government is founded on a sound energy policy. If another nation, or organization like the United Arab Emirirates or OPEC obtained countrol over US energy....they control the US economy and therefore they control the entire US. Clinton was well into the process of giving other nations this kind of control, (as we are now feeling at the gas pumps) and the Kyoto protocol was just another tool to do this. What they can't accomplish on the battlefield, they always attempt to accomplish through diplomacy and incrementalism, which is perhaps an even more dangerous approach (because it works). I recommend reading the Kyoto protocol and the UN charter sometime...I skimmed through some of it and it's pretty scary stuff. Even scarier was the thought that if Gore had been elected, the Kyoto treaty might have been ratified by now.

But the point is.....leftist government officials do not see global warming as a real problem because they're the ones perpetuating the hoax. Therefore, a chemical spraying program would not be directed toward a global warming problem in my opinion.

I think a much more likely probability would be something related to real concerns that nations have, and those usually involve national security....hence the national security agency and military would most likely be involved in a chemical spraying program.

One theory, of course, is weather modification, which I find somewhat more likely since the Air Force is on public record as stating that one of their objectives is to own the weather....Then there’s my own theory of an EMP defense shield since EMP is the preferred weapon of choice in modern atomic warfare. This is why I believe GW’s SDI program is a relevant issue pertaining to chemtrails. An EMP defense shield using aerial applications of aluminum oxide might repel enough EMP radiation from an aerial atomic explosion of a neutron bomb to save some ground electronics, allowing them to remain viable for a response attack. This, of course, would be the last layer in a multi-tiered missile defense system.