posted 05-09-2001 04:13 PM            

How do ET's and Chemtrails mix? I seriously doubt there is a person on this planet that can tell you they exist. BUT, fifty bucks bets that this program says otherwise.

Now that's what I call TrailMix.

posted 05-09-2001 05:10 PM            

Anyway, you might wanna check out Thermit's database or Delphi's page or http://tracers.8m.com/tracers.html to explore the possible connection.

posted 05-09-2001 05:26 PM            

Swedishoo, I can tell you they exist:

"Chemtrails exist"

There, I said it...

posted 05-09-2001 06:30 PM            

"It had been discussed with me on numerous occasions what could happen to me militarily if I discussed this. I would say that the government has done as good a job enforcing secrecy through the installation of abject fear as they have done with anything within the memory of modern man. I really believe they have done a job.

One older officer discussed with me what possibly could happen if there was a revelation. He was talking about being erased and I said, “Man, what do you mean erased?” And, he said, “Yes, you will be erased—disappear.” And I said, “How do you know all this?” And he said, “I know. Those threats have been made and carried out. Those threats started way back in 1947. The Army Air Force was given absolute control over how to handle this. This being the biggest security situation that this country has ever dealt with and there have been some erasures…

I don’t care what kind of a person you are. I don’t care how strong or courageous you are. It would be a very fearful situation because from what Matt [this older officer] said, “They will go after not only you. They will go after your family.” Those were his words. And, so I can only say that the reason that they have managed to keep it under wraps for so long is through fear. They are very selective about how they pull someone out to make an example of. And I know that that has been done…

posted 05-09-2001 06:51 PM            

Is the show about to start?

posted 05-09-2001 06:51 PM            

What a world it would be if it were a reality. TPTS would have even less reasons to send kids off to die for oil profits if we had free energy. I sure can't see how they'll allow that to happen, but I think it's inevitable. Hope we see it in our lifetime?

Did you see that news release a couple of months ago about a new energy source coming out in the next 10 years that would revolutionize transportation? All they hinted at though was that it would be nitrogen-based, that doesn't sound like 'free energy' to me. Maybe that's what TPTS have in mind to steer gradually away from coal/oil to nuclear power?

posted 05-09-2001 07:59 PM            

Another thing I know about RVer's is that they definitely connected with extra-terrestrials and maybe extra-dimensional life forms, so that would fit with their work in/knowledge of... zero-point energy, in that it's related to ET's.

posted 05-09-2001 08:02 PM            

Hey Mark,
I was refering to ET's, not Chemtrails! LOL. After reading the given link, that is the impression I got...that the main subject was going to be on ET's and their crafts, and whether they exist or not "officially". I feel no one can do that...give an offical account if they exist or not. Personally, I think it's crazy and just a stunt for viewers. Now, I'm not saying it won't be a good show, just that it would have to be bigger than peanut butter and jelly to capture my belief.

posted 05-09-2001 08:39 PM            

FF: British Ministry Of Defense, September 2000

FF is a British Ministry of Defense official, still currently employed at the Ministry of Defense, who headed up the Ministry’s office for research and investigation of the UFO phenomenon for a number of years in the 1990s. In his testimony, we will learn of incontrovertible evidence in several events with massive objects moving at extraordinary speeds, witnessed by military personnel with impeccable credentials, and tracked on radar—objects which are not manufactured on this earth. He will also confirm the Bentwaters case and other cases within the United Kingdom, and acknowledge the existence of extensive government files on the UFO phenomenon. FF supports total openness and honesty on the UFO issue, and believes that there should be a full disclosure of all information on UFOs, held by governments all around the world.

QQQ: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British Ministry of Defense, July 2000

QQQ is a five-star Admiral and the former Head of the British Ministry of Defense who was kept in the dark about the UFO subject during his official capacities. In this short interview, he states that this subject has great significance and should no longer be denied and kept secret. He emphatically states, “…that there is a serious possibility that we are being visited—and have been visited for many years—by people from outer space, from other civilizations; that it behooves us to find out who they are, where they come from, and what they want. This should be the subject of rigorous scientific investigation, and not the subject of rubbishing by tabloid newspapers

The former head of the Ministry of Defense and a current, highly placed MOD official?
Sounds pretty damned 'official' to me.

We should be supporting all efforts for government disclosure.

Let me repeat-

We should be supporting all efforts for government disclosure.

posted 05-09-2001 08:52 PM            

We recommend that former government, military or corporate persons with knowledge about this subject and willingness to be witnesses, contact the Disclosure Project to help make their knowledge public in an honorable and patriotic manner. We have protective measures in place, and the more witnesses we have, the stronger the case—and the greater the margin of safety for all concerned... -Public recommendation of the disclosure project.

posted 05-10-2001 09:41 AM            

quote:

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Men in Suits See Aliens as Part of Solution, Not Problem

Wednesday, May 09, 2001
Sharon Kehnemui

WASHINGTON — A group of 21 former military and government officials told a packed house at the National Press Club stories worthy of a whole episode of the The X Files Wednesday.

These men in suits spoke of high-speed saucers, crashed ships, alien bodies and conspiracies of silence. The eyewitnesses came forward at the behest of the Disclosure Project, a non-profit research group dedicated, as head Steven Greer says, to "working to fully disclose the facts about UFO's, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems."

Since December, Greer has deposed more than 100 witnesses and logged over 120 hours of tape in his search for proof that aliens are, or have been, among us. He brought with him four hours of video tape and a parade of former Air Force, Army, and Navy officers and air traffic controllers who swore up and down they had seen things.

Prepared for the public humiliation often cast upon people who claim to have seen aliens, they related stories of lights on the horizon and objects in the sky that would sit idly for a few minutes before taking off at speeds unattainable by human aircraft.

"We went down from 30,000 feet to 1,000 feet where the UFO was hovering and went into a steep dive and actually exceeded the red line of the aircraft, so it's kind of dangerous chasing UFOs," said retired Air Force intelligence officer George Filer. "Any case, I was able to get the UFO on the aircraft radar at about 40 miles, and you could see a light out in the distance. And as we closed, we kept on picking up this radar return."

Sgt. Clifford Stone, a retired U.S. Army officer said, "We've told the American people that there's no such thing as UFOs...I've been involved where we have recovered these objects. We know them to be of extra-terrestrials.

"I was involved in situations where we actually did recoveries of crashed saucers, for a lack of a better term, and debris thereof," Stone said. "There were bodies that were involved with some of these crashes, also some were alive. While we were doing all this, we were telling the American public there was nothing to it."

Nearly all of the men's experiences happened while they were working for the military during the 1960's and '70's. They told of standing orders they uniformly received -- report their experiences to NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command, never write anything down, and pretend it hadn't happened.

Greer said the group wants Congress to hold hearings on the prevalence of UFOs.

"We can prove through the testimony and documents that we will be presenting that this subject has been hidden from members of Congress and at least two administrations that we are aware of, two presidential administrations," he said.

But Air Force spokeswoman Gloria Cales said the stories Greer is trotting out are not true. In Operation Blue Book, the Air Force studied 12,618 reported UFO sightings between 1947-1969 and found plausible explanations for all but 701 of them. And of those 701, she insists, there is no evidence that they were extra-terrestrial in nature.

Greer said that since the aliens aren't hostile, there's no harm in recognizing the evidence, unless, of course, it means scrapping plans "to weaponize space," something aliens apparently oppose.

Greer said there's another reason to be up front about the phenomenon.

"Technologies connected to UFOs and extra-terrestrial vehicles, if declassified and used for peaceful energy generation and propulsion, would solve the looming energy crisis definitively, would end global warming, would correct the environmental challenges that the earth is facing," he said.

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posted 05-10-2001 10:26 AM            

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/dailynews/electricity_bush010509.html#

[Edited 2 times, lastly by 3T3L1 on 05-10-2001]

posted 05-10-2001 10:29 AM            

I believe that if Daniel Sheehan weren't involved in the Disclosure Project, there might have been more main-stream coverage. But because of his involvement in the Iran-Contra/La Penca Bombing exposure, he is too much of a threat to the medias empire and power structure to get any airplay. His involvement would be enough for program directors and newspaper/magazine editors to delete this story nationwide.

I really hope that the Disclosure Project doesn't go the way of The Christic Institute into oblivion after unexplained suicides, accidents and sudden illesses. I don't think it will because it has much more support now than Christic Institute had in the 80's. With the Internet, U.S. and world citizens are more informed about high level corruption than they were back then.