posted 05-23-2001 09:15 AM            

I feel that most officials are honest when they deny any knowledge of this operation. This isn't a tiny operation, but I suspect that it is highly classified and compartmentalized so that few officals really know what is going on.

has anyone ever flew up next to one of these planes and tried to get some sort of air samples or taken pictures?

No. but this is a goal...

Also has anyone seen these planes take off or land?

Not that I am aware of. I've used Flight Explorer to learn what can be learned about these planes. And what I've found is that they are not commercial/passenger traffic. They are most likely military. But since Flight Explorer doesn't track military, the tool can't be used to locate their bases.

Someone owes us some answers!

That is true. But recent history has shown us that it often takes the military and/or government a long time before they admit their secrets. Ususally after a program is long over and somewhat of a stale issue. Chemtrails are ongoing, no announcements will be soon coming.

Maybe I am loosing my mind?

Certainly not. You are one of the few that has been observent and questioned the popularly accepted reality. That is a sign of health to me...

posted 05-24-2001 11:16 AM            

Weather as a Force Multiplier. Owning the weather in 2025
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-3.htm

Rep. James Covey appointed to weather modification advisory board http://www.1sb.state.ok.us/house/news1430.htm

From Contrail Connection http://www.contrailconnection.com/oldnews.htm

Contrails or Chemtrails? The ongoing spraying of humans and crops worldwide http://www.plausiblefutures.com/text/special.html

Soviet Weather Engineering over North America http://www.cheniere.org/video/sovietweathervideo.html

New Documents disclose FBI's web surveillance http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/05/04/internet.eavesdropping.ap/index.

The Pentagons new microwave weapon http://www.microwavenews.com/weapon-health.html

Airline crash near Point Mugu http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/project/md-80.html

Top Secret Military Weapons http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/weapons.html

posted 05-24-2001 11:28 AM            

Very well done!

Maybe you should use those answers as a standard script, because they sure are starting to sound like one.

Ever consider taking up soothsaying? How bout signing up for the Air Farce?

Maybe I'm a bit late with that suggestion.

posted 05-24-2001 11:38 AM            

TO ALL AIR FORCE PERSONNEL:

If you are in the United States Air Force (i.e. the sky is your job), and you are not aware of the existence of chemtrails...

You are one dumb S.O.B..

Or...

You are a liar.

posted 05-25-2001 12:33 AM            

I am neither. You are at least one.

Thanks for yet another on-topic message of great intellectual significance. Blatant finger pointing and insults directed at others on this site seems to be your specialty.

By the way, the Colonel has an invitation for you on another board. I don't know, though. Visiting a bunch of "dumb SOBs" might be a little overwhelming for you.
http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=990731050&user=Chickiedeb

Maverick

posted 05-25-2001 11:58 AM            

You finally said something that I agree with. I have no interest in visiting a bunch of dumb S.O.B.'s.

But I do thank you for the suggestion, agent boy.

BTW- If you ever made the mistake of thinking that I hold any interest in discussing chemtrails with agents and intellectually dishonest debunkers, you are exactly as foolish as I have known from the start. Been there.... Done that. It's more useless than a fart in a skindivers airtank. I have no interest in wasting any further time going around in circles, with people who aren't even any good at their lying, like yourself. I discuss chemtrails plenty, in other forums with good, honest people who are not trying to mislead others.

This board is so corrupted with agents and debunkers (like yourself) that it is a better use of time to point out the deceivers here, than to WASTE time discussing chemtrails with them. You will notice that I only discuss chemtrails on this board with NON-AGENTS. Go look around. See for yourself. My only interactions with the agents on this board, is to point out their bullshit. You want me to discuss chemtrails with them? I think you may be suffering from oxygen deprivation. Anyway..... I do WHAT I want, WHEN I want.

posted 05-25-2001 02:38 PM            

Words like "Top Scum", "agent boy"....lovely Christian phrases like "fart in a scuba diver's airtank"??

Sounds like....Sux? Could it be?

posted 05-25-2001 10:04 PM            

NO SALE.

Apparenly, you have bought into Satans non-stop propaganda that depicts Jesus as some limp wristed, sissified little weenie. Jesus had BALLS. Jesus stood his ground UNSWERVINGLY against the LIARS and DECEIVERS of his day. Jesus's use of the phrase "brood of vipers" is no different than calling someone a "lying sack of shit" in modern terms.

I've got news for you, sad sack. Jesus is coming back as a warrior, and is going to lay waste to all who know him not. I would be INCREDIBLY hard pressed to believe that you have an ongoing reationship with the Lord. If you do, I would be shocked to the nth degree.

Stop trying to BS me dude. Use your phony tactics on some poor, naive newbie. Someone who is fresh, and doesn't know you and your crapola.

posted 05-25-2001 10:50 PM            

Interestingly enough I made this same argument about the mainstream media and movie industry framing Jesus as a wimpy hippie type, which instantly threw Defender into a tizzy. My point also was that Jesus was a warrior not a wimp.

posted 05-26-2001 01:03 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by cydoniaquest:
I'm sure Jesus would be proud.

Interestingly enough I made this same argument about the mainstream media and movie industry framing Jesus as a wimpy hippie type, which instantly threw Defender into a tizzy. My point also was that Jesus was a warrior not a wimp.

You sir, are no warrior...you could hardly be called a Christian...but you do make a good hypocrite poster boy.

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posted 05-26-2001 03:29 AM            

One bit of advise... you have to pace yourself with this issue or you'll end up burning out or getting discouraged and giving up. And I know that baby daughter of yours is worth fighting for.

posted 05-26-2001 04:28 AM            

My observations on people who post on this issue:

First let me say, I actually share your feeling to some extent. I've made the same observations and arguments about chemtrails you are making now many times on numerous boards for over two years now. And no, I'm not a Christian, because I have not yet been able to come to terms with the idea that Jesus is God, which is one of the most essential and basic tenets of Christianity.

As long as I’m getting personal here, and the subject of religion has been forced by Military Lies, I’ll also say I do believe we are all a part of God, tied into the creator by our souls like the spoke of a wheel ties into its hub, and in this sense, I do believe Jesus is God. Maybe someday I will come to more specific terms with this, but until I resolve these essential questions I can't call myself a Christian, by the current fundamentalist definition. Having said this however, I do agree with all of the teachings of Jesus and try to live by them, unlike some who ironically call themselves “Christians”, yet do not seem to be living in the spirit. It does not take a self-anointed Christian to recognize evil and hypocrisy.

Sometimes, in talking on these boards, one encounters individuals who seem to post for the sole reason of creating argument and disorder, to plant seeds of deception and to espouse anger and hatred. They seem to comment entirely for the purpose of creating a “flame exchange” or building up their own fictional identity, rather than rational productive discourse of the subject at hand. (I’ll leave it to your own judgment as to who instigates these things…this board serves very well as it‘s own written record in this area). I was simply pointing out some blatant hypocrisy and inconsistencies....which should be readily apparent to all at this point (yet strangely are not at all apparent to some).

One thing is for certain: I don't believe in backing down when accused of being things I am not, or having philosophies I do not subscribe to, or saying things I never said. I also believe it is appropriate and necessary to respond in equal measure to those who attack without foundation, merit or basis in reasoning or rational thought. Such attacks and baseless insults can only hurt the credibility of the subject, and must be dealt with, or boards like these will degrade to a clique of like-minded conspiracy theorists. When this happens it serves only to turn away others who might have differing political philosophies or belief systems, yet share in common the observations of something anomalous occurring in the skies overhead. That is after all the purpose people have for initially coming to these boards, yet seem to loose sight of as time goes by.

Expressing a differing opinion, philosophy or belief system is not an attack, by the way. ….as I illustrated with my “Agent’s guide to the soul” post in the freeform section. Even though my comments were intentionally kept as neutral and inoffensive as possible, you will observe by reading the posts that there are those who simply can’t accept differing thought or philosophy, and feel motivated and driven to destroy any thought that differs from their preconceived notions of reality. This mentality exists on both sides of the chemtrail/contrail issue….and, as one can readily observe, it has nothing to do with the subject itself. It has everything to do with the conflicting individual philosophies and personalities of the posters, tolerance for others, and little to do with the reality or non-reality of chemtrails.

That aside however, I do agree that what we are seeing in the skies is not normal, even though this flies in the face of the posts of others with differing opinions whom I greatly respect such as "TopGun" and “Duncan K”. I think people can have disagreeing views without being disagreeable, and I've even gone out of my way to prove this philosophy by posting on the “debunker” board(s).

posted 05-26-2001 11:54 AM            

As long as this occurs and I have the capability of responding, I will, but I will not cause it.

Be very careful here, if this thread is destroyed it is because of TML's remarks and he bears full responsibility.

posted 05-26-2001 04:30 PM            

I think if we are going to get to the bottom of this, we are going to have to act more aggressively on a local level.

I'm going to be posting daily observations of local CT activity and it'd be nice to have others in the region do the same for comparitive analysis.

Anway, I've figured this much out; the planes apear to be taking of from McChord AFB.

As for collecting direct samples, for that you would need FAA permission I believe.

I did, however, see a prop plane zipping in and out of a Chemtrail over Lake Union a few months ago...

Probably Paul Allen.

posted 05-26-2001 05:01 PM            

Knowing what you are, and then listening to your hypocrisy, makes me want to puke. I'm done with you and your relentless phony charades.

Anybody with two brain cells to rub together can see you for what you really are. The rest are happy to be deceived.

posted 05-26-2001 06:03 PM            

I don't know anything about air samples or what you have to do to take them. If you have to get FAA permision then I doubt it will ever be done, unless we found another way to go about it. I am sure that there is a ton of ideas that we can come up with with such smart brains

posted 05-26-2001 09:40 PM            

TomE,
It's messed up the serenity in all of us. This may actually be the intentions of the spray we are witnessing. It's clear that visuals are an important factor. Spraying, to be seen, in open day with blatantly noticeable patterns must play an important key in this esoteric puzzle.

Christy ~ Swedishoo

posted 05-27-2001 02:08 AM            

With all due respect (really), you sure do flip flop a lot. One day you are thrashng Cyphoniaquest with extreme zeal (I can repost some examples if you don't remember), and the next day you are best of friends.

Then you do the same thing in the reverse order with me. Are you sure there isn't two of you in there?