posted 06-03-2001 11:36 AM            

My forum Chemtrail and Company has under 10 regular posters and under 10 casual posters, yet my stats show I have over 650-700 page views each day. When I asked for e-mail collections to give updates on C & C due to CoolBoards shutting down, I received tons of e-mail from people I don't know and have never posted on the board.

Is being afraid to post on Chemtrail Boards a good thing or bad thing?? Think about it...the readers are reading things they never heard of before. Seeing how we have computer problems, crashes and pings...Knowing and truly believing that the government someway, somehow is involved OR are allowing scientific studies to happen.

Are the Lurkers being wise by not posting?
Are the Posters foolish and are being watched?

Or, is the entire Chemtrail Program all about FEAR?

Fear of Chemtrails. Fear to go outside. Fear to post at forums. Fear of telling others. Fear of mockery. Fear that our water and air is contaiminated. Fear that our government is against us and out of control. Fear that our children will have to experience war. Fear that we will have to.

I had these thoughts long long ago...when I was a lurker. There was only one forum to go to back then, and when I realized I wasn't crazy or alone, I jumped in and spoke up.

It banishes all fear and let's other's know you are not going to let fear control you.

I'm an advocate of public information and spreading the word...and doing it while Free Speech and the Web is still in our grasp.

Fear Not.

We The People.

Start a WebSite.

posted 06-03-2001 01:57 PM            

Finally after enough searching I became outraged enough by what I was reading, and I saw enough proof to convince myself, that I couldn't hide any longer. I only post on this board because I found it to be the most open-minded of all of them. I may not agree with everyone here, and heck they may not agree with me (they may even think I am "stupid" or "crazy") but I needed some type of outlet for the things I was experiencing and I believe this is the best place for that to occur.

posted 06-03-2001 02:11 PM            

The Jay Man speaks~
"Many, many of those who bought into Y2K just migrated to chemtrails as it died. Still, some of the Y2K believers stayed with it for well over a year past the drop dead date, expecting trouble any minute. Many reputations were ruined, many people discredited themselves publicly in their own communities eyes, and will not be taken seriously again. This is definately one side effect of chemtrails."

Mr. "Reynolds" you are the one not to be taken seriously, and not to be feared.

Do you really wonder Jay how many chemmies have tried urine therapy? Funny, I was just wondering the same thing about you and your fellow hoaxsters, who are in fact nothing but a hoax.

Jay you are indeed obfuscating and "Further obfuscation will only generate further questions." from us paranoid, urine-therapy-gurus, obfuscating fools. *Now is the time to cite your evidence* "Jay". *If it is untrue, now is the time to state so* too, from mad lu.

I fear not the monster label from one professing to be open minded and helpful, a near-sight a pilot is he, and I am nothing but shameful I am, the audacity to take all but ten minutes of time (in my entire life)to ask questions about contrails of my local control tower man who was not at all imposed upon and offered information gladly. He wanted to further direct me to the Vancouver Control Tower for questions regarding high altitude contrail formation/forcast, but didn't have the number and wasn't sure where I could get the number but suggested directory asssistance.

I thought since TopGun was nice enough to give me the local tower control number, I thought perhaps he would know the Vancouver one.

"Purposely make their lives miserable." Funny you should say that Mav, that's exactly the way I feel about *contrails* obfuscating my sky.


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TopGun0069
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posted 06-03-2001 02:12 AM
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Lulu-
Yes, I could probably do it for you. I'm not sure, though, if I want to, since it seems like I've created a monster in Kelowna. I never meant to give you the number to your control tower to have you (or anyone else) call them and fill their days with accusations. I know that you mean well, but in all honesty I am in full belief that your local control tower isn't going to be able to tell you anything about jets overhead at 30 thousand feet. They aren't given and aren't interested in that information, since they don't control or talk to aircraft flying at those altitudes.

I gave you the number to ask them about low-level jets that fly by Kelowna, not for anything else. So, in all honesty, what are you going to use the Vancouver number for? I'm not going to give it to you if it is just going to be a campaign to harass them about chemtrails. Because, if that's the case, then I'd rather keep it to myself. There are a lot of very bright, overworked, and underpaid folks that do that job, and I'm not going to contribute to any efforts to purposely make their lives miserable. Sorry, but that's my take on it right now.

Mav

P.S. How far from Comox are you? Do you ever get out that way? A little bird told me that there is an air show out there at the end of July, and someone that I know very,very well will be there and he can show you his plane if you like. I already know that there will be a KC-10 there and several other military planes, and you will be able to climb all over them and ask all the questions that you want if you like.

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Hi TopGun, I was wondering if you could get the number for the Vancouver Control Tower? TIA
Lulu

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posted 08-25-2001 12:35 PM            

Even though I have been a convinced "chemmie" for over 2 and 1/2 years, and have done battle with hordes of debunkers and disinfo specialists, it would appear that THEIR viewpoints are better tolerated, than my own.

"Lurking" is a lot easier on the nerves, than taking $hit from proponents of BOTH sides of this issue. People think I'm trying to be "sneaky" by using new nic names. If they would just stop and use their head, and put their vitriolic hatred on hold for a minute, they would realize that using a new nic is the only way I can say ANYTHING, without being attacked and kicked off the board. I have NEVER intended to be "sneaky" in any way. Just TRUTHFUL.

THAT, was my only crime.

The very same crime that got Jesus crucified.

The only thing left in this whole entire world that I care about, is seeing that the truth is given a fair shake, and that error and evil are exposed for what they are. I live a very simple life now, and I am always kind and coniderate to everyone I know. I am very well liked in my community. I am not just imagining it, because a lot of people seek me out to talk to me, or ask for advice.

I was once a "big shot" in a big city, living the high life, and thinking that I had the world by the tail. TPTB made sure that that all came to an abrupt halt, which, in a way, I am grateful for, considering that it was highly instrumental in jerking me back to reality, and quite possibly saving my very soul.

Well... now that I am armed with Gods truth, the world WILL hate my guts, just as our Lord promised it would. Even though I have been hated on this board for speaking the truth, I REFUSE to hate anyone of you back. Hate only harms the person doing the hating, and NOT the object of hatred.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again—

God bless all of the genuine truthseekers in the world.

And to all of the LIARS, especially the ones who love to hate truthseekers—

posted 12-09-2001 03:19 AM            

I hadn't read this before, and maybe I should have. Lulu, you are no better than Mr. Scumbag Chem11. When I send you a private message, I assume that it would remain private. We had made that clear in a previous letter exchange before this one.

I thought that I had established some amount of trust with you, and you slap me in the face with this. I had no idea that you had shared with the world the fact that I was going to be at the Comox Air Show. I wanted you to know that information because you had been friendly and I thought that you could gain a lot by showing up to the Air Show. Now, I'm glad that you didn't show up. I have no idea what type of person you are now.

What if some sick little monkey lurking (or posting) here decided to show up? Like I said, this info was for you only. I was being friendly, extending a hand and taking a chance. You, on the other hand, stabbed me in the back by making this info public.

You are nothing more than a two-faced liar. Good luck with your website....the previous name given to it is probably more apropo.

posted 12-09-2001 03:50 AM            

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What if some sick little monkey lurking (or posting) here decided to show up?

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Well, I guess you could have hid behind your momma's skirt tails, Mr. Push/button.

Shouldn't you be off fighting our New War? Or don't they let the cowards fight? Just shuttle them off to air shows to impress the kiddies...

So I've learned two things today.

1. You are a craven coward.

2. You actually are in the Air Force.

posted 12-09-2001 04:06 AM            

Topgun: Momma! Momma! We've got to leave. NOW!

Mom: What is it now Topbaby?

Topgun: There's a chemtrail activist here! I'm scared.

Mom: Topwhiner, we've beeen over this before. I'm sorry but you're a bomb operator for the United States Air Force. How's it going to look if people see you're scared of a bumper sticker?

Topgun: I'm a pilot, mommy!

Mom: Whatever.

Topgun: I want to go home! I want to go home!

Mom: Okay, but this is the last time I take you to one of these things. If you were so scared why did you tell people that you were going to come?

Topgun: I hate you! I hate You!

posted 12-09-2001 04:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Chem11:
Well, I guess you could have hid behind your momma's skirt tails, Mr. Push/button.

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Hee Hee, don't you wish. I don't think that I'd fit, anyway, pal.

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Shouldn't you be off fighting our New War? Or don't they let the cowards fight? Just shuttle them off to air shows to impress the kiddies...

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As far as the New War goes....been there, done that. Have you done anything since 9/11 besides gripe and hide behind your momma's skirt tails and your computer keyboard?

The air show was at the end of July, long before the mess we're in now. I enjoy going to air shows, because I enjoy aircraft. Watching old Warbirds fly is something that I will never get tired of. And, as a kid, I liked having pilots around their planes to talk to. It inspired me to become a pilot. Who did you look up to as a kid.....Adolf Hitler? Pol Pot? Louis Farrakhan?

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So I've learned two things today.

1. You are a craven coward.

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Anytime, anywhere, loser. I'd take great pride showing you just what a coward I really am in person. I'm not scared of you or anyone else. Have you ever been shot at? Come talk to me when you have been.

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2. You actually are in the Air Force.

Aim High!

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Hallelujah.

posted 12-09-2001 04:16 AM            

Yup. But I wasn't invading another country's airspace in an undeclared phony war when it happened. Guess you were in the Gulf 'war', eh?

posted 12-09-2001 04:25 AM            

Look Lulu, Topdumb used the word 'apropo'! He must have signed up for that Air Force remedial reading course. Oh wait, he ripped it from Reynolds...

posted 12-09-2001 04:50 AM            

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"Have you ever been shot at? Come talk to me when you have been."

Yup. But I wasn't invading another country's airspace in an undeclared phony war when it happened. Guess you were in the Gulf 'war', eh?

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No, actually it was a robbery attempt from about three years ago. Now that you mention it, though, I was shot at over Iraq, too. Ask the Kurds in northern Iraq who they'd rather have flying over their heads in their "airspace." Do your homework next time.

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Ever see the civilian casualty numbers from that op, Topbaby? I'm sure that they are a constant source of 'inspiration' for you...

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I sure have. And, yes, I might say that we are pretty proud of it. We've been down this road before, doofus. There were less civilian casualties during the Gulf War than during any other sustained bombing campaign before it. It was a hallmark of how air power can decide a battle before putting OUR troops on the ground in harm's way. Besides, what can you do when a thug dictator puts anti-aircraft guns on top of mosques and hides weapons and chemical agents in schools? These are but a few of his tricks. I've seen the intel that proves it. You're pointing the finger in the wrong direction. Friends of Saddam's, or just an enemy of mine? I can picture you perched on top of an Iraqi artillery piece pointed at US planes, just like Hanoi Jane did in Vietnam.

The responsibility for everything that has happened to the people of Iraq during and since the Gulf War rests solely upon the shoulders of one person: Saddam Hussein. He is the one who opresses his people, not us. His country gets plenty of food and aid (from us, I might add.) He takes it and re-sells it on the markets of the Middle East. Well, hopefully soon, his time will be up.

By the way, where's your griping about the "new war?" You are just hoping like hell that we screw something up so you'll have more garbage to spew. What a great country we live in. How's your friend John Walker doing?

posted 12-09-2001 05:50 AM            

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Besides, what can you do when a thug dictator puts anti-aircraft guns on top of mosques and hides weapons and chemical agents in schools?

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Not put the goddamn guns and chemical weapons in his hands in the first place, that's what. But you're right about one thing; we've been down this road before and you just don't get it.

What the hell are you doing here anyway, Topgun? Last time I checked you were gone for good. And you've inherited the last remaining active CT debunking board, now that CD's has gone belly-up. Of course, it's yours in name only...

A little advice; just because I may happen to have a conflict with someone on this board, doesn't mean I'm going to let you waltz in here with your flamethrower and torch 'em.

posted 12-09-2001 10:52 AM            

"and I thought that you could gain a lot by showing up to the Air Show."
I could gain a lot if you would have given me the Vancouver #, but this question-asking 'monster' didn't qualify.

"I thought that I had established some amount of trust with you"
How can trust be established between a hypocritical near-sighted martyr and a 'monster'?

"I have no idea what type of person you are now."
the same could be said about you Goose, it's obvious you are a disruptor and instigator, taunting people over here so you hoaxters have more material to snicker over.

"What if some sick little monkey lurking"
That pretty much describes you oh near-sighted-one, oh lurker/hunter/killer.

"I was being friendly, extending a hand"
By calling me a MONSTER? Whay planet are you from? Keep your extended hand to yourself.

"You are nothing more than a two-faced liar"
You are nothing more than a chump. Take this to your hoaxkateer board.

posted 12-09-2001 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Lulu:

(B)y calling me a 'monster'?

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I said that I may have "created a monster," meaning that you had made two posts in the previous week making reference to calls that you had made to your local control tower. I spent a few hours at work getting that number for you by the way. You're welcome.

Now, after these posts, you write me and ask me for the number to Vancouver. You didn't state why, just that you wanted it. I was under the impression that your local number would be enough....I was surprised when it wasn't and you offered no reason why. We've already been through this, Lulu, via private e-mail. After hearing your reasons, I did decide to try and find the number for you (which, by the way, I have not found.)

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I could gain a lot if you would have given me the Vancouver #, but this question-asking 'monster' didn't qualify.

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Bullshit, Lulu. I wrote to you and told you that I was going to try and look it up after you explained it to me. Don't try and twist this one around.

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How can trust be established between a hypocritical near-sighted martyr and a 'monster'?

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So now I'm a hypocrite? Say how. And a martyr? I'd have to be dead for that. Is that a threat? And, in retrospect, the term "monster" seems to apply.

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the same could be said about you Goose, it's obvious you are a disruptor and instigator, taunting people over here so you hoaxters have more material to snicker over.

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No, that's not it at all. I'm just sick of the one-sidedness, I'm sick of putting up with all the associated bullshit that comes with trying to be friendly in the middle of flames and attacks. Homey just don't play that anymore. If you think that this is just fodder for the "debunkers" to laugh about, you're wrong. We're laughing anyway.

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That pretty much describes you oh near-sighted-one, oh lurker/hunter/killer.

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Hmmm. No, it doesn't. I'm not sending threatening e-mails to any of you guys. There are anonymous ones from your side of the fence who have done that to me. And my vision is 20/10, thank you.

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By calling me a MONSTER? Whay planet are you from? Keep your extended hand to yourself.

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The "monster" thing is really getting old. I am from Earth, how about you? And, yep, I damn well will keep it to myself from now on. I risked getting into trouble by providing you with that number from the beginning. Direct numbers to air traffic control facilities are for EMERGENCY USE ONLY and I should not have given it to you from the beginning.

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"You are nothing more than a two-faced liar"
You are nothing more than a chump. Take this to your hoaxkateer board.

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My quote still applies. Listen, Lulu. You are the one who posted my entire letter to you after we had made it clear that we were speaking privately to each other. YOU are the one who decided to put this online for the world to see.

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And while you're at it TopLiar...apologize to David for your ignorance.
Nevermind, you don't have the balls.

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"Topliar?" Please show me ONE post where I have lied. It doesn't work that way, Lulu. Just like your chemtrails, it doesn't become fact when you post it. It needs evidence.

This "chump" is sorry for giving you information that you could use. I am not sorry to David for anything.....why should I apologize to him? I'm not Duncan (who should not apologize, either) Last time I checked, it was ME who demanded an apology from David.

Okay, I apologize....

I'm sorry, David, for allowing you to post thread after thread with the sole aim of attacking me.

I'm sorry, David, that I tried to be cordial and weather your flaming attacks for many months before I finally could take it no more.

I'm sorry, David, for replying to those unsolicited attacks in such a manner that would make you as mad as I already was. After all, an eye for an eye does not apply in the land of the double standard.

I'm sorry, David, for secretly wanting to find you and Chem11 in a dark alley so I could bounce your two empty skulls together like a "Three Stooges" episode.

And, I'm sorry, David, for being "blissfully unaware" by continuing to post thinking that something good would come of it.

posted 12-09-2001 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Chem11:
Not put the goddamn guns and chemical weapons in his hands in the first place, that's what.

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And this is my fault? It was your politicians who approved it. It wasn't a military decision at all.

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What the hell are you doing here anyway, Topgun? Last time I checked you were gone for good.

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Naw, as long as the door is open, you never know who can walk through it.

[/quote]And you've inherited the last remaining active CT debunking board, now that CD's has gone belly-up. Of course, it's yours in name only...[/quote]

No, actually there are plenty of active "CT debunking" boards. You only know of one. Nice link to it on your website, by the way.

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A little advice; just because I may happen to have a conflict with someone on this board, doesn't mean I'm going to let you waltz in here with your flamethrower and torch 'em.

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Wow, thanks for the advice. I failed to realize that. Is this supposed to be some type of deterrent? Hardly. You are little more than a speed bump, pal.

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This is exactly why they are talking about re-instating the draft.
No matter how much college money and enlistment bonus they put on the table, they wind up getting whiney, spineless social misfits to fill out their uniforms.

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Actually, I am an officer, not enlisted. And I'll take out your "spineless social misfits" quote and e-mail it to my friends at Camp Rhino. They'll get a chuckle out of it. And I'll have them tell Mr. Walker you said hi.

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Go kill something innocent and unarmed, Son. I'm sure it'll make you feel better.

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Nope. I do battle with combatants, not with unarmed civilians. I could make an exception, though....

posted 12-09-2001 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by David:
Maverick, leave me the hell alone. I have not said two words to you in quite some time. Find me in an alley and only I will leave, you will be buzzard bait.
David

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Whatever, dude. In your delusional dreams, maybe, underneath a chem-dome.

I'll be the better man here and consider our conversation over with.

posted 12-09-2001 02:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Chem11:
Right. You, who is scared of going to an air show because someone might find out who you are, is supposed to impress me with your childish threats and empty bravado? Keep trying!

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You're funny. You can't get it through your thick skull, can you? I'm not scared of you, because you are a known quantity. It's the threats via e-mail that I've gotten that worry me. It's real easy to spew your trash coming from someone who's little more than a travelling sideshow.

The joke's on you, doofus. You're going to go through life miserable because you've always got a crutch to blame for your problems: Chemtrails and TPTB. Since neither exist, you'll never get a satisfactory answer. So much for your "political movement." How's that going, by the way? Counting chads in Florida now?

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RE: Your well-deserved 'Topliar' moniker. You were most deceptive when you asserted that the SAT photo over Iraq was a time-lapse shot. It wasn't, you got busted and have been nothing but a pain-in-the-ass ever since

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That is all you can come up with to show that I am a liar? And, you don't even say "liar," you say "deceptive." Really crafty use of words yourself, Mr. Walker.

Come on, I'm not laughing with you, I'm really laughing at you. I thought I explained that one pretty well already: I said it was like a "time lapse" photo because the contrails show the path the planes have taken over a period of time.

Let's review for the class:
The picture was taken in an instant. The trails were made over a period of time, not instantaneously. The trails, then, were made over a period of time. Since they are persistent, they show the "passage of time" because you can look at them and see the path the planes took that made them. Judging by the length of the trails, I can say that some of them took about 10-15 minutes to create. Thus, this picture shows a 10-15 minute history of several aircraft's flight paths.

Clear as mud?

Only an idiot would think that picture is really a time-lapse shot, since the time the picture was taken is marked clearly in the photo. Also, it would be a pretty blurry photo because the clouds would move quite a bit as the shutter remained open. Of course, one might say that only an idiot would still think that I claim it is a time-lapse shot.