posted 06-17-2001 10:34 PM            

Hell, I believe even Thermit is of the opinion that these lines are shadows from the chems themselves (correct me if I'm wrong, T).

posted 06-17-2001 10:43 PM            

Sorry Chem I am now editing this a little. Thank you for your post. I do have a tendency to take things very personal. And sometimes I just wish this whole damn thing would go away. I will try to mellow next time, but I can't promise anyhting.

posted 06-18-2001 10:26 AM            

Well, obviously some black lines are shadows. We see many of these black line shadows for a simple reason. As Chemtrailing occurs over a several hour period, the earliest Chemtrails do two things. They spread into a thin layer of haze and this layer haze begins a slow decent downward. This means that later Chemtrails have a semi-transparent "tarp" a few thousand feet below on which to cast their shadow. Since the layer of haze is semi-transparent from the ground we can see the shadow being cast upon it from above.

Now if there is something else going on, which there may be, I want to hear a theory about why they aren't just shadows and what is causing this non-shadow-based black line phenomenon.

posted 06-18-2001 11:58 AM            

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010219.html

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: Why would the shadow of a space shuttle launch plume point toward the Moon? Two weeks ago during the launch of Atlantis, the Sun, Earth, Moon, and rocket were all properly aligned for this photogenic coincidence. First, for the space shuttle's plume to cast a long shadow, the time of day must be either near sunrise or sunset. Next, just at sunset, the shadow is the longest and extends all the way to the horizon. Finally, during a Full Moon, the Sun and Moon are on opposite sides of the sky. Just after sunset, for example, the Sun is slightly below the horizon, and, in the other direction, the Moon is slightly above the horizon. Therefore, as Atlantis blasted off, just after sunset, its shadow projected away from the Sun toward the opposite horizon, where the Full Moon just happened to be.

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posted 06-18-2001 12:28 PM            

What is causing the 'shadow' on the left hand side of the photo? I don't see a CT there, just on the right hand side...

And since I'm feeling sassy, in regards to the Shuttle launch and it's accompanying 'shadow', I'll ask another annoying question;

posted 06-18-2001 12:44 PM            

My interpretation of the photo is that the Sun is to the right in the photo and that the trail is several hundred feet above the shadow. If the Sun were directly overhead, I would be asking what is causing the left side of the dark line too, but I think the angle of the Sun causes this.

Now here is a line effect that is not caused by shadows...

posted 06-18-2001 12:52 PM            

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                                      (sun)
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    .         -==================-
    .                .
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===   =   trail
~~~   =   canopy of haze
...   =   area seen in photo

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Of course, the photo isn't taken from the side as shown in my 2-D diagram, but rather from the ground, such that the trail appears below the darker line, even though I doubt it is.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Thermit on 06-18-2001]

posted 06-18-2001 01:01 PM            

Here's a relevant summary of the situation from Tracers:

Problems With The "Shadow Theory":

~ Enlarging Many "Black Line" Photos Reveals Dark Objects On Either Side Of The White PC and Within The Darker Parallel Lines

~ The "Black Line" At Times Laid A Few Minutes Before The White PC

~ The "Black Line" Peels Away From The White PC Moving In Another Direction

~ The "Shadow" Can Move Out In Front Of The Craft Laying The White PC

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posted 06-18-2001 01:20 PM            

Not sure what this means. Will have to look at Tracers site for details...

~ The "Black Line" At Times Laid A Few Minutes Before The White PC

I can image some temporal discrepancy that my theory would explain. A few seconds to a minute perhaps, if the angle was right.

~ The "Black Line" Peels Away From The White PC Moving In Another Direction

Various situations could account for this. The plane of haze may not be 100% level which could produce this effect, or the trail may not be exactly parallel with respect to the vertical producing a divergence effect. Also if the trail was perpendicular to the rays of the sun, the distance between the shadow and the trail could shrink or grow as the angle of sunlight becomes steeper and steeper causing the black line shadow to move away from the trail causing it.

~ The "Shadow" Can Move Out In Front Of The Craft Laying The White PC

Yes, this could be explained by the steep Sun angle. Actually this is what I would expect to be seen during the process of Rick's Chemtrail being laid in the first photo.

Now I'm not saying there isn't something "more interesting" occuring, I just haven't seen anything that looks like more than shadows, to me.

Is there a link for black line photos at Tracers?

posted 06-18-2001 01:24 PM            

I grabbed some poor soul I had been working on and said "Check it out. Within the next couple of minutes you are going to see a sprayplane on W/E route at appx 30,000 ft. laying a persistent contrail" I then pointed out the exact location where this would occur.

Needless to say, this individual took a rather dim view of my overall sanity and wasn't afraid to voice his opinion on the matter.

Then the sprayplane showed up. Exactly where I told him it would be.

My sanity is no longer a matter for debate, but I do sense a certain fear and loathing from this co-worker.

But that doesn't stop him from routinely asking for the winning lottery numbers...

posted 06-20-2001 12:28 AM            

Chem 11 - re: Black Lines
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Dear Chem,

I checked out the thread at Mark's and in this case I would have to agree with the gentlemen's shadow assessment. The conditions were exactly as he described, with a previous chem-haze existing a few thousand feet below the fresh trail, which was casting a shadow below.

HOWEVER, on two occasions, I have seen black lines preceeding the jets, in one case extending to the horizon. In these cases, the sun was not in a position to cause this type of shadow unless there was some type of optical illusion going on. I had no camera in both instances.

You can see a photo of this type of black line which I have described at my site:
http://www.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ricksgardeningtips

Unfortunatley, Yahoo's club format does not allow me to link directly to the photo. You will have to take 1 minute to join the club, then check the photo section in the left margin. There is a folder entitled "Follow the Leader" posted by Lookin4answrs. The first photo, entitled "Follow the Line" shows almost exactly what I saw.

Hope this helps.

posted 06-20-2001 11:26 AM            

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