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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts


Lubbock, Texas
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posted 08-16-2001 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thermit
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posted 08-16-2001 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

There is barium and aluminum oxide in the atomosphere at levels thousands of times what is normal and THIS IS A FACT,NOT A FAIRY TALE


Now, you've got me interested too, Bob. I haven't heard these figures before, do you have a reference for this or a link where this information comes from?

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posted 08-16-2001 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BobB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The spots you saw on the sun are called sunspots and are described daily on Space weather http://www.spaceweather.com/index.html Here is a page updated every five minutes, it shows data from satelites collecting data on solar activity,including x radiation,proton flux, electron flux and magnetometer all on one page........................................ http://www.maj.com/sun/noaa.html i hope the hell i get this html crap right this time..incidently perhaps, I've just heard of a massive glacial melt occuring in Washington, near mount Ranier..

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posted 08-16-2001 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BobB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from spaUp in Space -- 17 Aug 2001
Subscribe to Space Weather News!

RADIATION STORM: The flux of high-energy protons around our planet soared to 1000 times normal at ~0300 UT on August 16th. The ongoing S2-class solar radiation storm is unusual because it was not triggered by a major flare on the Earth-facing side of the Sun. Instead, it appears to be the result of a backside explosion detected by SOHO coronagraphs on August 15th.

Above: NOAA satellites registered a sharp increase in the numbers of energetic solar protons around Earth on Aug. 16.

HERE COMES
ce weather .com...

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BobB
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posted 08-16-2001 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BobB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
personally I dont like editors, they tend to water down things, but i understand,,,however this does not change the fact that someone calling himself Duncan personally attacked my intellegence and my integrity, and otherwise tryed to make me look foolish....wheres the censureship on that??

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BobB, I check the Space Weather site everday, and I thought that news was very unusual and interesting also. The backside of the sun where it originated and headed for us??? That is very, very odd, I would think. This probably has nothing to do with anything....but tonite, in NW Louisiana, we had 2 "Alert" disaster weather tests in less than a 15 minute period...I don't understand why 2 separate tests had to be done minutes of each other, same night?? Our power, (lights) have been "twitchy" all night...blinking a lot...no storms going on right now...maybe, because of "summer" power usage or...something else?? Blessings, Joanne ^j^

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3T3L1
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posted 08-17-2001 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BobB, Thermit instructs the Moderators to use a light hand in editing most of the Forums. (As you all know, I use a heavy hand in the Science Forum, but the rules there are mine and they are rather strict.)

If you have an issue with one of the other forum members, please take it up with the moderators and/or Thermit in the Messages section and we will deal with it in private.

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BobB
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THermit,somewhere on this link is the data source you requested of me...................http://www.arl.noaa.gov/ dig around here, they want to know who you are and what you want the data for before they give it to you though....be creative!

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posted 08-17-2001 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to comment on what my internet aquaintence Chemtrails.org posted :

The planet Mars has heated up 30 degrees centegrade because it has no artificial reflective shield, and it has a less -dense atomosphere

the 30 increase in temperature had very little to do with the sun and more to do with standard weather practice, overcast holds heat in....from what I've read dust storms of the like are ever ocurring...and as far as a artificial shield again the implication of a 14000 ft shield is seriously flawed, as normal everyday storms on earth soar to over 40,000 ft on a regular basis, thus would mitigate any shield put forth by anyone...if such a shield exists it would be way above 45,000k ....immune from typical weather influences...the earth has plenty of built in protection for us here, and when satellites and communications go down you'll know that the sun has left it's mark...until then, the premise of sun influence is yet to be realized....

mars data is here:

http://tes.la.asu.edu

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov


T/S

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posted 08-17-2001 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bob can you give more of a clue where to look on the site? If I'm going to be monitored, might as well make it worthwhile.

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posted 08-17-2001 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BobB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess this kind of confirms that maybe there might be something {they want} to hide, perhaps Lulu!

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The headquarters are in Merryland...Gee aren't I lucky.We get it all here.Wait til the spaceport opens up at wallops island.
You can all come watch shuttle launches on my back lawn.

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It looks like I might not even be able to get in the last laugh on DUNCAN, we may all be crispy critters here shortly. I expect that what the Iluminati has been preparing for is happening. I did not know, nor was the data released indicating the solar wind stopped in May of 1999, causing severe degredation of the outer radiation belt which protects Earth from the Suns deadly radiation.It is becoming clearer why so much underground constuction is taking place in remote areas.As far as Im concerned, the reason for the major component of chemtrails mystery is solved. As for the biological components,its anyones guess, maybe they want to kill us off to prevent a mad dash for underground structures ..from space weather http://www.spaceweather.com/index.html STRANGE RADIATION: On Thursday a flood of energetic protons suddenly and unexpectedly surrounded our planet. The space density of protons more energetic than 10 MeV soared to 1000 times normal. Such radiation storms are not unusual, but they are normally caused by solar flares on the Earth-facing side of the Sun. This radiation storm, which lasted two days and is only now subsiding, was apparently triggered instead by an eruption on the back side of the Sun. SOHO coronagraphs saw the explosion when it hurled a coronal mass ejection into space. Scientists aren't sure how such a back-side explosion produced such a potent radiation storm. Strange, but true!

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In may of 1999 the solar wind stopped.This information was withheld from the public to prevent panic. Without solar wind, The protective layer known as the Van Allen radiation belt begins to disintegrate and can no longer deflect radiation due to its loss of a constant flow of electrons from the Sun. this is exasterbated by the proton bombardament,because protons destroy the Van allen shield too. This combined with the largest solar flare in history occuring in April of this year,wild fluxuations in the magnetic flux in the solar system and bombardaments of mystery protons all add up to one thing, our star is about to prove that man is a part of nature,not a creator or dictator to it.This planet will eventually lose the ability to sustain life if further breakdowns in Earths natural protective shield occur...for your reference-
A s t r o A l e r t
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16 August 2001

INTRIGUING ENERGETIC SOLAR EVENT OF 16 AUGUST

Shortly after 00:30 UTC on 16 August (8:30 pm EDT on 15 August), a
remarkably energetic and unusual solar event occurred that is worthy of an
AstroAlert notice.

At around 00:30 UTC, proton sensors onboard spacecraft began observing
an unusually energetic increase in the density of high energy protons.
Usually, such strong bursts of radiation are produced by strong solar flares.
But no obvious regions of activity capable of producing such strong bursts of
radiation were visible anywhere on the visible Sun.

At 23:30 UTC on 15 August (7:30 pm EDT on 15 August), the SOHO
spacecrafts LASCO instrument began imaging a rapid and bright full halo
coronal mass ejection (named a halo CME because of the ring of light that the
ejected mass forms around the Sun as it expands outward). Full halo CMEs are
the result of mass being ejected from the Sun either toward or directly away
from the Earth and are of high interest because of their potential Earthward
trajectory.

It was immediately reasoned that the energetic proton burst was most
likely associated with the bright and fast moving coronal mass ejection.
This particular CME was determined by SOHO science members to be travelling
outward along the plane of the sky at a speed as high as approximately 1,200
kilometers per second (4.3 million kilometers per hour or about 2.7 million
miles per hour). Average velocities for CMEs are around 400 to 600 km/sec, so
this disturbance was also somewhat unusual for its high outward velocity.

Part of the problem was in identifying the source of this activity. It
did not occur anywhere on the visible side of the Sun that we see from the
Earth, or spacecraft and ground-based telescopic instruments would have
observed it. Even the Japanese Yohkoh x-ray imaging spacecraft (which takes
regular images of the Sun in x-rays) did not appear to observe any clearly
obvious signs of x-ray brightenings on the solar limbs or slightly behind the
Sun. It therefore must have originated from somewhere fairly far behind the
Sun where the high-altitude x-ray signatures of activity would be occulted by
the Sun itself.

Evidence supporting this backside scenario came in the form of a
sequence of images taken by the SOHO spacecraft at around 23:48 UTC. The EIT
(extreme ultraviolet imaging telescope) onboard the SOHO spacecraft began to
observe an interesting brightening all around the limb of the Sun. Scientists
interpreted this limb brightening at extreme ultraviolet wavelengths as a
coronal wave that propagated from the site of the solar explosion on the far
side of the Sun to the limbs of the Sun that we can see from the Earth.
Coronal waves are fairly common with coronal mass ejection disturbances. But
coronal waves that travel such large distances are more rare.

Additional evidence became available through the science of
helioseismology where vibrations on the solar surface are used to determine
centers of sunspot activity on the far side of the Sun (much like
seismologists on the Earth can determine the location of an earthquake from
distant locations by measuring the vibrations they produce through the
Earth). Scientists associated with the SOHO spacecraft resolved an area of
increased activity in the southern solar hemisphere and on the opposite side
of the Sun. This area coincides nicely with the predicted location of a
potentially volatile sunspot group that was in the process of maturing when
it rotated behind the western limb of the Sun and out of view late on 08
August.

Scientists and space weather forecasters therefore concluded that this
energetic proton burst and the associated strong coronal mass ejection may
have been produced by a strong solar flare and coronal mass ejection on the
far side of the Sun within the sunspot group known as Region 9557.

Although this was a very interesting and exciting event for solar
scientists and space weather forecasters, what was perhaps the most
fascinating and puzzling aspect was the strength of the proton event and the
rapidity with which it reached the Earth.

Most solar flares that produce strong proton bursts take time to reach
the Earth. Protons are charged particles that can be accelerated to high
velocities. Higher energy protons travel faster than lower energy protons.
This particular event was associated with exceptionally high velocity
protons travelling at near relativistic velocities (near the speed of light).
Protons having energies greater than 100 million electron volts (MeV) were
detected in abundance during this event. The near Earth space environment
typically has fairly few protons that are energized to 100 MeV. But during
this event, protons with energies greater than 100 MeV increased in density
near the Earth to about 300 times normal background levels. It was
categorized as a major high energy proton event.

The problem (and puzzle) with this activity was that the source of the
proton enhancement was probably near the opposite side of the Sun. It is very
rare for protons to reach the Earth from so far behind the Sun and even rarer
for protons to reach the Earth so rapidly after an event occurs on the far
side of the Sun. In fact, such a prompt and intense proton event has
apparently never been observed from such a distant location near the other
side of the Sun.

Most energetic proton solar flares that have occurred behind the Sun
have resulted in mild enhancements of protons many hours after the event
occured with relatively few high energy protons at > 100 MeV. It usually
takes hours for the accelerated protons to diffuse through the solar
atmosphere to the point where the Sun's magnetic field can carry them to the
Earth (charged particles like protons move most easily along magnetic field
lines - they do not move easily across magnetic field lines).

So one of the big questions that has been raised is: how did this
particular solar event produce such an intense and rapid response at the
Earth? There will undoubtably be many scientific papers over the ensuing
years that attempt to address this question.

This energetic proton event produced serious degradations in space-based
images of the Sun and has affected spacecraft star-tracking cameras and other
imaging instruments on spacecraft by introducing streaks of light (caused by
high-energy protons impacting the imaging electronics) that can confuse the
instruments. Such energetic proton events can also produce permanant
degradation in the electrical generating efficiency of spacecraft solar
array panels. Other spacecraft anomalies can (and do) accompany such strong
proton events.

Fortunately (or unfortunately, if you are an avid aurora hunter), the
coronal mass ejection disturbance associated with this event is directed
outward and away from the Earth. We will therefore not see the direct effects
of this disturbance, although we will continue to suffer the effects of the
high energy proton event in space for several more days to come. It should be
noted that this event is harmless to life on Earth. The Earth's atmosphere
(ionosphere) shields us from the effects of the enhanced proton related space
radiation. And although the astronauts on the International Space Station
will observe slightly higher radiation levels during this event, the
radiation hazard is still considered low.

It will be interesting to monitor solar conditions over the next 4 to
8 days. Sunspot Region 9557 may rotate back into view around the east limb
of the Sun at that time. Whether it rotates into view as a potent sunspot
group capable of producing significant energetic solar flares is a question
that many will be asking. Activity from that region fo the Sun will be
closely monitored over the next 7 to 10 days, primarily in the form of
coronal mass ejection intensity and helioseismic signatures.

Solar observers may want to pay special attention to the southeast limb
of the Sun as Region 9557 begins to approach it over the next week.


** End of AstroAlert

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posted 08-18-2001 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW!!! I did not know, nor was the data released indicating the solar wind stopped in May of 1999 Bob can you please site the source for this?

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posted 08-18-2001 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BobB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Data and source below For Two Days The Solar Wind Stopped

Back in May 99, the solar wind stopped for two days. Actually, it dropped to 2% of its normal density and to half its normal speed. Although the solar wind varies greatly, this was the most drastic and longest-lasting decrease ever observed. NASA sat on the story for five months. Squished it flat. When NASA finally released that information, it was too old for newspapers to carry.

Our sun puts out 100 million tons of matter every second. The resultant flow of this matter out into our solar system creates the solar wind. The solar wind is real stuff that comes from the nuclear reaction that occurs continuously on the sun. To stop the solar wind you must either blow it away or experience some wild magnetic variations at the sun. If this is just a wild variation of the sun, then it suggests that the sun is getting a little wild. That's not good, and can bring severe weather to Earth. It also suggests that a disturbance from outside our solar system has occurred or is starting to occur. The only know occurance powerful enough to blow the solar wind away is a gamma ray burst. A powerful similarity is the fact the gamma ray bursts tend to last about two days, the same amount of time that the solar wind stopped. However, where is the gamma radiation and all the rest of the radiation caused by a GRB? One explanation: some particles can travle faster than the speed of light and these particles have arrived a year or two ahead of the bulk of the radiation from the GRB. this is data from SOHO .the large number is solar wind speed..notice wind speed for May9-13!!!! http://umtof.umd.edu/pm/crn/archive/CRN_1949.HTML
MAY 8 128:14:00:00 427 2.6 39 0.3 262.4 23.1 -21.0 149.3 -3.5 261.9
99 MAY 8 128:15:00:00 409 3.4 34 -0.2 262.5 22.9 -21.0 149.3 -3.5 261.4
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Delphi
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1583 posts, Mar 2001

posted 08-18-2001 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delphi   Visit Delphi's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BobB, You've nailed the cold, hard facts pretty much right there...You have done some good research there. I was aware of the solar wind dealy some time ago, but it was "glossed over" and ignored so much by media and some others that it was hard to discern the actuality of what occurred...you got it all there in black and white. I don't like the looks or sounds of any of it! Thanx for your efforts. Bless us all! Joanne ^j^ ^j^

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Lulu
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2553 posts, Dec 2000

posted 08-18-2001 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Bob for the data and link! This doesn't look good at all. I'd like to think we're not done ducks yet though...

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Duncan Kunz
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posted 08-19-2001 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duncan Kunz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AGGIE PHYSICS:

"One explanation: some particles can travle [sic] faster than the speed of light and these particles have arrived a year or two ahead of the bulk of the radiation from the GRB."

Let's see now... since the sun is about eight light-minutes from the earth, that means that the particles arrived here a year or two (less eight minutes) before they they even left the sun.

So much for the Nobel Prize this year....

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-19-2001 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Duncan,

you seem to know alot about alot...and that's cool, but the way I read it this is what the text was inferring....

It also suggests that a disturbance from outside our solar system has occurred or is starting to occur. The only know occurance powerful enough to blow the solar wind away is a gamma ray burst.

Now I have not referenced where a Gamma burst would come from to stop the solar wind...but it seems that was the writers opinon was from outside our solar system "an event"....the data looks authentic...and a change is evident in numbers....

A powerful similarity is the fact the gamma ray bursts tend to last about two days, the same amount of time that the solar wind stopped. However, where is the gamma radiation and all the rest of the radiation caused by a GRB? One explanation: some particles can travle faster than the speed of light and these particles have arrived a year or two ahead of the bulk of the radiation from the GRB.

I think something moving faster than the speed of light is interesting, and also think that the formula for figuring this would be interesting to look at too...

I remember in comic books david banner received a gamma radiation burst...and turn into the incredible hulk...when he got angry...

T/S

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posted 08-19-2001 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read that tachyons move faster than the speed of light and travel "backwards" in time.

quote:
Tachyons could literally be sent outwards, bounce off a tachyonic mirror, and return before they were sent

http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/mod_tech/node142.html

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-19-2001 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
damn, I always thought tachyon fields were used to find cloaked romulons in the neutral zone...lol...

thanks for the link Lulu...

T/S

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67 posts, Jul 2001

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I see my friend Duncan has revealed his skepticism is not real. His twisting of the facts reminds me of government controlled mainstream media propaganda .He obviously is aware, hell he KNOWS whats going on and he is here to lead you from the truth.The data and the progression of events is undeniable, and I fear that the way the lid is being kept on this, I'll never get to tell you all I told you so. The Suns overall energy output is fluxuating wildly ,as is the magnetic field in the solar system. My prediction is that these are the end times as described by Ezekial the prophet and that there will be no year of "our lord" 2002..................

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Duncan Kunz
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posted 08-19-2001 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duncan Kunz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Ms. Lulu

Let me quote from the web-page you cited.

If such particles did exist, however, Special Relativity implies that they could never be slowed down to velocities below the speed of light. The existence of such particles, called tachyons, has not been totally ruled out, but several experiments have tried, without luck to detect them. If they did exist, and they interacted with ordinary matter, it would give us the means to communicate with the past. Tachyons could literally be sent outwards, bounce off a tachyonic mirror, and return before they were sent. This in turn would give rise to a great many logical problems. For example, if you sent a message back in time that caused your grandfather to be killed before your father was conceived, then you would not be around to send the message that prevented your birth, so that you would be around to send the message, so that you wouldn't be around....etc.

"If such particles did exist, however, Special Relativity implies ... The existence of such particles, called tachyons, has not been totally ruled out, but several experiments have tried, without luck to detect them...

Translation: Either there isn't any such things as tachyons, or, if there is, no one has ever seen or even detected one yet.

That doesn't mean that "tachyons" are fraudulent physics -- by any means. What the physics theorists are saying is something like: "if there were such a thing as a particle whose space-time travel plans were a mirror image of the rest of the matter in the universe, boy, it sure would validate these hypotheses!"

And that's how theoretical physics works sometimes. If you have a hypothesis that requires a hitherto-unseen structure to make it work, then try to find that structure. Sometimes you will find it and it gives a boost to the hypothesis.

"Tachyons" make a lot of sense; if there were such a thing, our physics would be easier to comprehend. But, we simply don't have any evidence for them -- not yet.

"Tachyons could literally be sent outwards ... bounce off a tachyonic mirror..."

Again, maybe they could, maybe they couldn't. If you're postulating a particle for which you have no evidence, it's kind of silly to talk about a way to "send" them or to "bounce" them off a "mirror" since neither a "sending" methodology or a "tachyonic mirror" even exist -- at least, not yet.

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Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525

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posted 08-19-2001 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duncan Kunz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Mr. Seeker:

I have taken three physics courses (assuming you don't count statics and dynamics as physics), and one of those was in high school in 1963. I am certainly not knowledgeable in any of the more esoteric physics studies.

But if you postulate a gamma ray burst from a source outside the solar system, the closest source that I know of, Proxima Centauri, is 4.3 LY, or 2.54539 X 10 ^13 miles, away.

Given that gamma ray bursts, like every other EM-spectrum event I know of, has to follow the inverse-square rule for propagation intensity; I can't imagine any extra-solar system event other than a nearby sun's supernova that would cause a noticeable gamma ray burst in our neighborhood. And Proxima Centauri hasn't gone supernova yet.

Again, it's been many years since I took any physics courses; perhaps if we had a scientist (as opposed to an engineer-turned aerospace bureaucrat) here, we could get better information. But based on what I remember, gamma ray incidents originating outside our Solar System simply don't seem like a likely source of much problem.

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