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Topic: THE ANSWER TO THE CHEMTRAILS MYSTERY(probably!) | Topic page views:
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BobB
Senior Member
LInden,Texas,United states of America 67 posts, Jul 2001
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posted 08-02-2001 04:05 AM
It is obvious to me through research and personal experimentation that compounds of barium are being sprayed in huge quanities in the form of microscopic particles,into the atomosphere at about 10000-14000 feet. The particles are then electrostatically charged so they remain aloft for the most part((no, don't ask me how, maybe it's those cell-towers I thought were HAARP antennas!)) This has effected weather, health and caused weird visual effects and storms. It is a N.A.T.O. effort, with help coming from N.A.T.O. allies such as Great Britain, Canada, and Austrailia. ...Everything written above this line I am satisfied are facts and I'll stand by 'em. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Now comes the theory. Barium is well known by science to block and absorb radiation. It is used in medicine for this purpose. Anyone familiar with astronomy could probably tell you, as I have discovered that the Suns gamma radiation output has became unstable and in some cases it has been a thousand times what is normal for hours. Those bright flashes people are seeing coincide with coronal mass ejections of the Sun listed on SPACE WEATHER ..check out the archives, and then check out when people said they saw them, and you will see that in most cases they coincide. This is not normal solar maximum. I am not saying i think the Sun is going to go supernova..What I am saying is that the changes in the Sun are easily measurable and real,and the ionosphere has changed as a result,and I believe chemtrails are probably a last ditch all out effort to save a doomed planet from a star which is in a transformation process which will make life impossible on this planet..The planet Mars has heated up 30 degrees centegrade because it has no artificial reflective shield, and it has a less -dense atomosphere, Stars are in a constant state of fluxuation and trans formation, and our star is no exception. What always was is no more. Type in this site and save it in your favorites...I have seen two times when the radiation levels literally went off the chart. it is a nasa satelite feed showing various types of radiation output of the sun, updated every 5 minutes.... 3-day GOES 8&10 X-ray flux monitor....
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BobB
Senior Member
LInden,Texas,United states of America 67 posts, Jul 2001
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posted 08-02-2001 04:21 AM
I find it intresting that 24 views of my post occured withen 1 minute of posting....well boys, what do you think?? Did I nail it?!?!?!
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amber
UK ENVOY

uk 445 posts, May 2001
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posted 08-02-2001 04:29 AM
Well, Bob, I hope you are WRONG ...Have you visited the cyberspcse orbit site? There was speculation on there that someone was firing torpedo type devices into the sun.
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RidesTheWind
visionary

The Void 1359 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 08-02-2001 06:10 AM
I was prowling around looking for c-band radar info on wallops island which is off the coast of Merryland. This one page came up with these evil creations and it made me think of your story...are these by any chance what you saw??? I think they are quietly putting these up all about the country.We recently had new towers go up with pulsing bright strobe lights attached...I bet they were the maritime ones near the bottom of the page.Mind control in full swing...' www.gec-marconi.com/gmrds/gmrds/capablty/radar.htm
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S. 499 posts, May 2001
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posted 08-02-2001 08:39 AM
I think there's more than one military program going on with spray planes. However, I USED to think that when the Bible talked in Revelations that "...the sun shall beat down upon man no more." Or something like that, that it was referring to H-Bombs. Now however, it's interesting from examining Mayan prophecies that our current civilization would be destroyed by the peak in the SUNSPOT CYCLES!! And have you seen how much money has been spent on SOHO solar observatories?? What's that other Biblical line about the sixth angel pouring out his bowl on the SUN and men on earth being scorched by great heat???Food for indigestion. 
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S. 499 posts, May 2001
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posted 08-02-2001 08:42 AM
One last thought, forgot to mention that Art Bell and others have SAID that there's some type of 'craft' seen near the sun. They've given it the name of a 'SUN CRUISER' and have had some poor lame photos of the thing. I don't trust 33 degree Bell nor the 'ALIEN' AGENDA, but I file it as a POSSIBLE puzzle piece should it fit LATER.
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IZAKOVIC
Senior Member
Rijeka, Croatia (Europe) 128 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 08-02-2001 01:19 PM
BobB. I think that you are looking in the right dirrection.Last year I have found Dr. La Violette’s dissertation in which he states that galactic center periodically explodes (every 26000 or so years) and that this explosion events drive intergalactic dust towards Sun’s orbit feeding it’s intensive phase. At that time, writing the article about the Fatima Prophecy, I did not conclude that this explosions will instantly trigger the same behavior in every star of our galaxy, Sun included. Since then, based on recent developments in gravity perception, which now seems to be of electromagnetic nature, I believe that such is the case. In 16th century on the Pyrenees Mountains slope in the Henday town in the French Basque country on the French-Spanish border, the Illuminati, which are, some believe, still dwelling nearby on/ in the mountain, have placed a monument called the Henday Cross. Jay Weidner and Vincent Bridges in their book "A Monument To The End of Time" describe the meaning of symbols engraved on the cross. Cross describes the same event as that which Dr. La Violette has observed in nature but did not properly understand it. It gives the date of the event also. This could shed some light on the notorious fact that Basques are for centuries independent and rebellious people, bombing anyone who tries to influence them. Correct, it is very interesting that Barium used in chemtrail sprayings has strong gamma/ x rays absorption capability. La Violette is in the same article as Henday cross is, on this page of my, temporarily resurrected site: http://deepspace4.freeservers.com/pages/prophecy/fatima/fatima4.htm If you want see the follow-up you can bookmark this page on my new site at: http://deepspace4.50megs.com/pages/prophecy/fatima/fatima4.htm If this future event is the source of the whole problem than the spraying operation is indeed a noble effort of desperate and responsible people who cannot tell to anyone why are doing it. Unfortunately, the chaos following the consequences of this catastrophe, which will mostly strike those on the surface, clearly indicates that few will have to defend themselves from the many. Best regards, 08-02-01 IZAKOVIC The Croatian with at least one virtual web.

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roman
Senior Member

Marietta Ohio USA 407 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 08-02-2001 07:10 PM
Hi Bob I am no scientist but ,I for one think you are right on. I tried twice to post a reply ,The first time I experienced a loss of power to the computer.This took the machine right to blue screen. After re booting I came right back and tried to post again. This time I was almost ready to submit when my post just disappered. I came back and decided to send this post and so far my firewall has been hit twice with attempts to access my machine. If someone is that intrested in what some no body from Ohio has to say you must be very close to the truth my friend. so be very careful roman...
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BobB
Senior Member
LInden,Texas,United states of America 67 posts, Jul 2001
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posted 08-02-2001 07:31 PM
The question now seems to be only how have tptb managed to keep this a secret and why they want to keep it a secret.If you think for a moment WHY they are keeping a secret is obvious..........
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Delphi
Mystic Warrior

S. Bossier, Louisiana 1583 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-02-2001 11:40 PM
I fear ya'll may be correct...I don't have much scientific knowledge, but just plain ole "womans intuition" and a really "bad feeling" I've been having leads me to the conclusion...also, This sounds "dumb" to say...(not based on anything scientific), but to me, the sun just dosen't "look right" anymore...seems too bright, the wrong color, and looks like it has "swirls" toward the center. And to top it all off, (another non'scientific conclusion on my part), I have been having re-curring dreams lately of bright light and fire-balls and explosion sound and of chaos??? I hope we are ALL wrong but...??? If you study prophecy and compare to things in the here and now starting to take shape...it dosen't look good!! Bless us all! ^j^ ^j^ Joanne
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Norrin Radd
Senior Member
92 posts, Nov 2000
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posted 08-03-2001 12:15 AM
Michael McDonnough had the theory that chemtrails were to protect us from the sun quite a while ago. This was before the barium information was available.After I sent him the patent I found describing an apparatus for producing a contrail with radiation absorbing/reflecting properties, he felt like he was on to something. Michael McDonnough then told me about the day the solar wind died. I knew nothing about this and found it very interesting. When the information Bob has presented is added to the rest, I would say that this is the theory which is backed by the most evidence. If this is the case, that chemtrails are actually trying to help mankind, then that would explain why no one has come forward. The lack of whisltblowers has always perplexed me, but this would explain why they are keeping quiet. Don't want the people to panic now, do we? Please keep up the good work. Brent p.s. Hi Joanne, hope you are feeling better. Did you see the recent articles on squalene in the Anthrax vaccines? 
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BobB
Senior Member
LInden,Texas,United states of America 67 posts, Jul 2001
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posted 08-03-2001 01:19 AM
If there are any scientist-types in here, I sincerly hope they will research phase reversal in the magnetic fields of the Earth and of the Sun. Changes in the ionosphere would be another good place to look. the key to this solemn mystery is radiation .it has been reported that the Suns Magnetic field has reversed (space weather.com) and that ,supposedly,this occures every 11 years.THE EARTH IS OVERDUE FOR A PHASE REVERSAL of its magnetic field.Weakening in the magnetic field of the Earth before a reversal would result in more cosmic radiation and solar radiation getting to the Earths surface..
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA 627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-03-2001 02:05 AM
If the barium radiation thing is true, wouldn't it have to cover a greater area than presently being chemmed at one time? No doubt, chem coverage is expansive, but wouldn't continental sized areas need to be covered?
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Delphi
Mystic Warrior

S. Bossier, Louisiana 1583 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-03-2001 03:31 AM
Eyesopen, Besides the sun problem and theory, I am wondering more and more about the status of our earth in reference to "shifting"! So many events seem to be occurring that could add up to a major polar shift coming for us...lately, all these "swarm" style earthquakes...they aren't major ones but many, taking place in rapid succession. Also, in India, they recently had "colored" rain, (rainbow colors), and it was explained that it was "dust" maybe from meteor or from earth where some dirt may have been disturbed??? Also, all the recent reports of dust clouds, which I was thinking may have been related to the chemtrail scenario, but now, not so sure. All these various "churnings" of the earth and dirt have me wondering. Washington State residents have been having earthquake swarms as well as California. The Washington residents say when they are in tall buildings, they are actually aware of movement, like as if the buildings were on "jello" or something...dosen't sound good! All the various volcanoes acting up, more so now than any time I can remember...the several large magnitude earthquakes of the recent few years. Glaciers cracking and maybe melting from "sun" problem also. Animal behavior seems more eradic lately...they would probably be the first to "sense" a change or problem in the earths Electro-magnetic field. More and more areas having problems with broken water mains and such...all the above could be signs the earth is changing, (moving). There is an unusual "vortex" like area in the ocean in the Pacific and I recently read that water in a nearby lake has changed flow directions somehow...all not good signs, I think??? There is much more and as I think of it, I'll post it.++++++++BRENT, Hi there, I'm doin o.k. Just sky-watching as usual and now maybe "ground-watching", lest it slips away from me! I sure did read that article about the Squelene in the Anthrax shots...now that gives one pause for thought!! Blessings to you and everyone, Love and light, Joanne ^j^  
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Delphi
Mystic Warrior

S. Bossier, Louisiana 1583 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-03-2001 03:39 AM
Yikes, I must be gettin tired, I meant that reply to BobB....poor eyesopen probably wondering what I'm babbling about. Eyesopen, you do bring up a good point though...I wonder about what you mentioned too, as certain countries aren't having spraying...yet, many are...so it's a toss up on that one. Maybe the chems being so thick and spreading the way they do, not every area has to be "chemed"...or Bariumed..if there is such a word?? There can be so many facets or reasons to the chem scenario, it can boggle the mind. We had a heavy chem day here in NW Louisiana...whatever the reason, they were busy lil bees!! Bless us all, Love, Joanne ^j^  
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BobB
Senior Member
LInden,Texas,United states of America 67 posts, Jul 2001
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posted 08-04-2001 03:31 AM
It seems logical to me at this point to go ahead and assume the purpose of chemtrails is to absorb and reflect radiation from the Sun, since Barium is the most commonly identified compound in chemtrails and the Sun appears to be unstable and displaying the most active solar maximum since data has been kept. Radiation output has been extremely high at times, with july 17 2000 recording the highest ever.A similar flare/ mass ejection event in May of this year was almost as strong, with radiation levels SEVERAL THOUSAND times what is considered normal The fact that it is being sprayed only by NATO countries does not mean that the whole Earths atomosphere could not be affected by chemtrail deposition. Particles that small, injected into the atomosphere at high altitudes in the right place would spread all over the world via air currents.
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IZAKOVIC
Senior Member
Rijeka, Croatia (Europe) 128 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 08-04-2001 12:07 PM
But there is a national defence aspect also:Here is the transcript of the part of the Coast-to-Coast interview on 08-03-01 with Ed Dames available on Art’s site on page: http://www.artbell.com/topics.html or directly in archives: http://mfile.akamai.com/5022/wma/artbell.download.akamai.com/5022/shows/01/08/artbell010804.asx Starting at 03:10:15, after stating that new NAVY sonar kills the whales, Major Ed Dames suddenly states that the whole atmosphere is being turned in weapon: Dames: But, You know Art, I was the project manager once on… on some big projects. And you know what? I did not care about civilians, or about whales, and things like that because I was a military officer and I had a mission and the mission came first. I was sort unconscious and now that has changed. And so I understand the mentality behind this, but now…it… now… I have to suggest a target to any trained remote viewers. Take as a target “The most secret national defense program” and you will see something very interesting. The entire Earths atmosphere is being modified to be used as a weapon.
Bell: Hah. Dames: And that is sad. Bell: Do you know the form this modification is taking? Dames: Yes. The atmosphere…. Yes I do. I know a lot about it. But suffice to say it that that is enough, enough for the people to get started. Little while ago Bearden and now Dames. Best regards. 08-04-2001 IZAKOVIC The Croatian

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BobB
Senior Member
LInden,Texas,United states of America 67 posts, Jul 2001
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posted 08-16-2001 04:30 AM
Barium absorbs microwave radiation and converts it to heat. People are being exposed to barium intentionally,and they are gradually absorbing it into their body tissues thru eating and breathing . Same deal with aluminum oxide (ever accidently put aluminum foil in the microwave??}If an microwave signal of significant strength were to be applied to the atomosphere the humans in the signal field would perish from the intense heat created in their bodies with the absorbed metals increasing the efficiency of the weapon .All structures and infastructure would be left standing and unaffected, but organisms which had absorbed sufficient quantities of metals would perish. If this is true, and I believe it is, then chemtrails can be considered an attack on the People and the Constitution of the United States, perpetrated undoubtably with the complicency and knowledge of our criminal (UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!} government .
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 08-16-2001 09:47 AM
Dear Mr. BobB:I have several comments to your hypothesis spelled out at the beginning of this thread. Your statements in "quotes"; my comments in italics. "It is obvious to me through research and personal experimentation that compounds of barium are being sprayed in huge quanities [sic] in the form of microscopic particles, into the atomosphere [sic] at about 10000-14000 feet." I would appreciate your sharing your research and personal experimentation in detail. Although I have no data myself, I am unaware of any studies or data which show abnormal (i.e., particulates that are not tied to normal pollution involved with mining, etc.) amounts of barium in the atmosphere. "The particles are then electrostatically charged so they remain aloft for the most part((no, don't ask me how, maybe it's those cell-towers I thought were HAARP antennas!)) " Why do you say they are electrically charged? I can understand that you don't know the mechanism, but do you have any data that the particles are being electrically charged? "This has effected weather, health and caused weird visual effects and storms." Do you have any correlative data on that? "It is a N.A.T.O. effort, with help coming from N.A.T.O. allies such as Great Britain, Canada, and Austrailia [sic]." Do you have any data on that? "Anyone familiar with astronomy could probably tell you, as I have discovered that the Suns gamma radiation output has became unstable and in some cases it has been a thousand times what is normal for hours." I have been a fairly involved amateur astronomer for about thirty years. I know of no data that shows that the sun's "gamma radiation output has became unstable"; although levels do change significantly, they - according to all I have read - have been changing periodically on a fairly regular basis for over four billion years. There is no evidence that I know of which shows that changes in solar radiation has done anything inimical to life; indeed, it's probably one of the prime movers in the mutations that have produced the wide range of life we know today. "Those bright flashes people are seeing coincide with coronal mass ejections of the Sun listed on SPACE WEATHER ..check out the archives, and then check out when people said they saw them, and you will see that in most cases they coincide" I know we can see - in the upper atmosphere - the effects of excessive solar radiation episodes. They are the aurora borealis and aurora australis. But I am not aware of any correlation at all between solar activity and "bright flashes". "I am not saying i think the Sun is going to go supernova." I agree. As we both know, the sun's mass is way below the Chandrashekar Limit. Sirius will go supernova (some day). Our sun will not. "... the changes in the Sun are easily measurable and real,and the ionosphere has changed as a result,..." I agree. But those changes in the sun are cyclical. They, as well as the obvious atmospheric effects resulting from those changes (e.g., aurorae) have been going on for as long as we can measure - long before the emergence of mankind on this planet. I hope you understand that it is not my purpose here to "cloud up and rain all over you". I certainly do not have the answers to questions raised by the contrail controversy. And again, you may have data resulting from your own research and experimentation with which I am not familiar. Were that is the case, I would certainly re-think my comments to your hypothesis. I hope you will share with all of us here the rationale and research that you have used to come up with your beliefs; I'm sure we'd all be better off for it. Regards, Duncan Kunz
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RidesTheWind
visionary

The Void 1359 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 08-16-2001 10:23 AM
Just a thought here about chemtrails.As of late I have been observing a major slow down of planes and trails.Almost non existent.A few stray lines here and there over time,but thats it.But...The clouds are prolific.This leads me to believe that the heavens are now saturated in our area for holographic imaging and they are now creating clouds to block out sun on a regular basis.I don't know,I'm just guessing here.The clouds are uniform,flat bottomed and don't change shape. Definately not God clouds!
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chemtrailsorg
Chemtrails.org Admin
Austin,TX,US 122 posts, May 2001
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posted 08-16-2001 02:25 PM
BobB, It is interesting that you would come to this conclusion about the Sun output being the reason for a chemtrails effort by our NATO allied countries. As Brent mentioned he and I discussed this quite some time ago, and I have mentioned this theory when I appeared on EarthChangesTV a few months ago.Since then I have sent out emails to various scientists asking for their help in determining the cause of the persistent contrails. roman, mentioned his system shutting down and his firewall being hit by a hack attempt. Well 2 of the scientists I sent emails to are NASA scientists. After sending an email to Michael Michshenko (LIDAR Contrail Study)in New York, I received a hack attempt on my machine from a computer traced to a NASA network in Washington, DC for the rest of that story see my RESEARCH page. I think a NASA involvement in this is important to consider. I am not aware of any proof that has been given as to the Barium. I read the reports but have not been able to confirm this as being caused by chemtrails. Barium is listed in USP # 5,003,186 as being a possible Welsbach Material. Brent mentioned Mitch's EARTH CHANGES article that covers the whole story about the solar wind stopping one day and what that can mean for the Earth. I watch the Sun all the time right now. I have one feed coming in from the SOHO into a JAVA app that displays the images as they are updated. The output is fantastic. I have not seen anything like this. Some of the SMEs are going out farther then Mercury. There have been recorded a lot of strange things in the C-2, and C-3 camera images. I did some of the first enhancements of the Sun Cruiser images that appeared on cyberspaceorbit back before Kent got his dot.com some are still in has archives. I used the net-handle UFOTEC back then.
We traced every heavenly body that was supposed to be visible at the times recorded by SOHO of the Sun Cruisers passing and none were supposed to be visible. It is a planet sized body that can go very close to the Sun (within the Corona) and has outriggers like engines visible in the enhancements. I did those enhancements with the same quality of enhancement filters and algorithms as NASA/JPL uses. They are not as strong as NSA's I am sure but they do not create what is not there. They just extrapolate the magnification factor based on the information in the image. They will not give out the raw data feed for the SOHO only the filtered edited feed. The video files for instance show signs of tampering and using frames over and messing up the time sequence. I know my programmer friends can do better if we had access to the data feed. A lot of planerary probe data is not encrypted because they require active tracking but fixed assets like SOHO which is a joint ESA NASA/JPL project is encrypted so it must be obtained from the filtered data feed. NASA likes to explain away spots and streaks and anomalous images in the SOHO data as being cosmic rays striking the CCD image element. This explaination does not wash for images that take up more then one frame like the Sun Cruiser. The Sun images from SOHO are showing a much different Sun then we were seeing just a few years ago. I will keep watching and recording what data they dribble out to me.

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Delphi
Mystic Warrior

S. Bossier, Louisiana 1583 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-16-2001 06:17 PM
Chemtrailsorg. Now THAT is what I call some out-standing research and investigating...the best I have seen thus far in reference to the sun, the Sun-cruiser, and the solar "anomalies"!! I hope everyone realizes what you have done here. You have shown how what the public is being shown is often not what is really occurring...the facts are sometimes "watered down" for public consumption, changed, or all together deleted. I hope you are able to continue with this excellent avenue of research and keep us "posted" as to what is the "reality" of the solar situation. Blessings, Joanne ^j^  
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RidesTheWind
visionary

The Void 1359 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 08-16-2001 06:27 PM
Bravo CTO !!!!! Great work..By all means keep us updated as you go along.Excellent.
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BobB
Senior Member
LInden,Texas,United states of America 67 posts, Jul 2001
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posted 08-16-2001 07:40 PM
In response to Duncun xxx personal attack on my theory ,I would like to state to you(Duncun),you sure took more time to respond to something you thought was bullshit than I would have.Why??What is your intrest in making me look foolish??Are you a government spook, sent here to try to debunk a theory which is right on??It is obvious your a liar, data in the Nasa archives indicates the sun IS NOT experiencing a normal maximum, that it is it is not the same as it has been at any time since data has been kept and radiation levels in the gamma wavelenghts ARE HIGHER THAN EVER OBSERVED BEFORE. This I HAVE RESEARCHED, there are many reliable sources on the web with data archives concerning the sun, including nasa. noaa, and other GOVERNMENT sources, and independent analysis of the data.Duncun kuntz knows this, why does he question my research??I am not a scientist, but i do have a background in physics bein that I am an engineering major who studied physics at one of the leading universities doing research on the subject(Texas A&M).AS far as my experimentation, this was limited to attempting to isolate and analyse what IS BEING SPRAYED including rainwater analysis using excepted scientific methods outlined in Mercs index for indicating the presence and concentration of metals in a water sample and collectting samples floating on local lakes and analysing them the same way. There is barium and aluminum oxide in the atomosphere at levels thousands of times what is normal and THIS IS A FACT,NOT A FAIRY TALE ,as is the fact that our sun is going through obvious changes..All you have to do is go out and look at the sun and you can see for yourself it is brighter and whiter than before,and it feels more intense. Any moron who spends alot of time outdoors HAS made this obsevation.....so where does that LEAVE YOU DUNCUN??yOUR NOT A MORON,OBVIOUsLY SO MY CONCLUSION IS YOUR GOVERNMENTEdited for obscenity by 3T3L1
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RidesTheWind
visionary

The Void 1359 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 08-16-2001 08:19 PM
Speaking about the sun, I have a question: I was watching the sunset through the binocs tonite and was wondering what the two black spots on the sun were? One big one dead center, one in the upper left quadrant. They never moved.Just big stationery black dots.
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