posted 10-17-2001 06:48 PM            

As far as the other stuff discussed in this thread I agree with Duncan. WOW.

posted 10-17-2001 07:09 PM            

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 11, 2001

SCIENTISTS TRACK "PERFECT STORM" ON MARS

A pair of eagle-eyed NASA spacecraft -- the Mars Global
Surveyor (MGS) and Hubble Space Telescope -- are giving amazed
scientists a ringside seat to the biggest global dust storm
seen on Mars in several decades.

The Martian dust storm, larger by far than any seen on
Earth, has raised a cloud of dust that has engulfed the entire
planet for the past three months. As the Sun warms the
airborne dust the upper atmospheric temperature has been
raised by about 80 degrees Fahrenheit. This abrupt onset of
global warming in Mars' thin atmosphere is happening at the
same time as the planet's surface has chilled precipitously
under the constant dust shroud.

"This is an opportunity of a lifetime," said Hubble
observer Dr. James Bell of Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.
"We have a phenomenal, unprecedented view from these two
spacecraft."

"The beauty of Mars Global Surveyor is that we have
almost two Martian years of continuous coverage and this is
the first time during the mission that we have seen such a
storm," added Dr. Richard Zurek of the Jet Propulsion
Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

This storm is being closely watched by the team operating
NASA's 2001 Mars Odyssey spacecraft, which is heading toward a
rendezvous with the Red Planet later this month. The Odyssey
team plans to "toe-dip" its way into the Martian atmosphere,
gradually deepening its pass through the atmosphere until the
desired drag levels are found. A warm atmosphere "puffs up,"
creating more drag on the spacecraft.

The thermal emission spectrometer on Global Surveyor has
been tracking the blooming dust storm by measuring temperature
changes that trace the amount and location of dust in the
atmosphere. Both Hubble and Global Surveyor caught the storm
erupting in late June, which was unusually early in the spring
of the Martian northern hemisphere compared to previous large
storms. Hubble doesn't have continuous Mars coverage, but does
show the whole planet in a single snapshot and shows the full
range of dust activity from sunrise to sunset.

Planetary scientists photograph the entire planet every
day using the Global Surveyor's camera. This has allowed them
to pinpoint the actual location of places where dust was being
raised, and see it migrate and interact with other Martian
weather phenomena and surface topography. This also has
provided them an unprecedented, detailed look at how storms
start and "blossom" across the orange, arid planet.

"What we have learned is that this is not a single,
continuing storm, but rather a planet-wide series of events
that were triggered in and around the Hellas basin," said Dr.
Mike Malin of Malin Space Science Systems, Inc., San Diego,
lead investigator on the camera. "What began as a local event
stimulated separate storms many thousands of kilometers away.
We saw the effects propagate very rapidly across the equator -
- something quite unheard of in previous experience -- and
move with the Southern Hemisphere jet stream to the east."

"By the time the first tendrils of dust injected into the
stratosphere by the initial events circumnavigated the
Southern Hemisphere, which took about a week, separate storms
were raging in three main centers. The most intriguing
observation is that the regional storm in Claritas/Syria has
been active every day since the end of the first week of
July," said Malin.

After three months, the storm is beginning to wane. The
planet's shrouded surface has cooled, and this allowed the
winds to die down and the fine dust to begin settling.
However, Mars is approaching the closest point of its orbit to
the Sun. Once the atmosphere begins to clear, the return of
unfiltered solar radiation may trigger additional high winds
and kick up the dust all over again. This "one-two punch" has
been seen in previous Mars storms for centuries.

"Understanding global dust storms, such as that which we
have witnessed this year, is a vital part of the science goals
of the Mars Exploration Program," said Dr. James Garvin,
NASA's lead scientist for Mars exploration, NASA Headquarters,
Washington, D.C. "Such extreme climate events could
potentially provide clues to how climate changes operate on
Mars, now and in the past, and provide linkages to the record
of sediments on the planet."

posted 10-18-2001 01:39 AM            

Well gee, I'm really sorry you feel that way. Just because we don't agree with your view of the world doesn't make us ignorant. It's make us human.

"Bush Sr. and Jr. and Cheney and Powell and Stormin Norman are LUCIFERIANS!!"

Proof, if you please.

"Let's clean these pieces of FILTH from our government!"

News Flash: We elected both Bush boys.

"Cheney and Bush Sr. molest little girls!"

Were you there? Did you see it? You would be surprised how many times that accussation has been incorrectly towards all kinds of people in the last 20 years.

But hey, that's just my opinion, of which I an entitled.

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posted 10-18-2001 03:46 AM            

you did not hear that a "mass" of convicts and dead people some how registered and voted for al gore...hmmm?

I have new respect for tony blair but hey, you do not live in a represenative republic, nor a democracy, so please don't lecture a resident of the U.S on proper election code...

Bush won fair and square and I feel alot better knowing he's where he is, and where al gore is not....

posted 10-18-2001 04:03 AM            

As for the election process, most US citizens don't completely understand the Electorale (BIG SP??) College process simply because it isn't usually as close as it was. So hey, maybe Gore got more popular vote, and maybe Bush got more electorale vote. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

And I, at least, am not saying that if you don't like the government you had better leave. I'm just saying that if it bothers you so much, leaving is an option.

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posted 10-18-2001 04:07 AM            

That was pretty good. Isn't the UK a Constitutional Monarchy?

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posted 10-18-2001 04:24 AM            

How is the political climate over there across the pond these days. All we are hearing around here is coming from Blair, not from the people.

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posted 10-18-2001 05:14 AM            

I thought he was the Queen's henchman. (j/k)

"We have had anthrax scares over here"

Really? We, or at least I, haven't heard anything at all about that. Gotta love a self-centered media.

"The truck drivers reckon you are an OK guy XP"

Thanks.

"they want to know if the XP means that you were once a pig (an ex-pig) - but have been genetically altered so that now you are allowed a fully legitimate part in a democratic country...and where can they get the same treatment?????????"

Yup, that's what it means. As for where they can get the treatment...the CIA has been trying to perfect the process, however, since I was an early test subject, I still oink on occasion.

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posted 10-18-2001 12:52 PM            

Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary

Main Entry: pure democracy
Function: noun
Date: circa 1910
: democracy in which the power is exercised directly by the people rather than through representatives

posted 10-18-2001 01:31 PM            

George Bush SENIOR is reported to be a 33rd degree mason by the way - masons participate in the black mass which is called by Albert PIke in MORALS AND DOGMA the "Palladian Rituals" - I believe almost any Christian clergy member will qualify someone who attends the black mass as a luciferian/satanist, in defense of those who made those statements and those who are too horrified to realize the reality of what the masons are into - read their stuff, people, if you can find it, but there ARE some places on the net where copies of Pike's book can be had for about $85 if you are willing to spend that for a thoroughly nauseating tome.

posted 10-18-2001 05:56 PM            

I once read that we now live in a plutocracy, which, I think means 'rule by the wealthy'. I think it's probably always been that way to some extent. That's certainly how it is here and now in the 21st Century. Someone once said that we are living in an era of Corporate Fascism. That seems like a good description to me. The feelng seems to be, "if it makes money, then do it, we'll worry about the consequences later." It's money that matters, not human rights or health or morality.

Laying back and trusting any authority is unwise and not what this country was founded on. I thought it was founded on a distrust of government, not blind, submissive surrender to The Powers That Be. Most of the people who just lay back and enjoy the ride are content to let someone else do the questioning, the hard work, for them and then take advantage of the hard won victories made by those who do the questioning. 'Let the trouble makers fight it out'. 'Why should we even get involved?'

They want to play it safe, not rock the boat because deep down, they're afraid. They can't accept the fact that life is not what the television has told them their entire lives. And why should they? If they're part of the wealthy elite, the last thing they want is any change in the status quo that may affect their lifestlyes and their imagined control of their fellow humans.

For others, it's just too upsetting, too hard and if they really think about it, too scary to question authority or the way things are. That's what I think, anyway, for what it's worth.

I grew up in the U.S., it's been my home for all of my life. It may be the best closest thing to a democracy on earth as far as I know, but it's certainly not perfect. As a resident and citizen, it's my responsibility to question things, like chemtrails, assassinations, government corruption and conspiracies. If you want to pretend they don't exist, that's your option.

posted 10-18-2001 11:49 PM            

amber, I responded to this quotation of yours:

NEWSFLASH: As for Bush Jnr being elected...was he? Why is that report still being held back? To outsiders... that election stank...sorry...STANK! And how healthy is it in a democracy to have a son of a former president, still alive and well, as president?

numerous newspapers and liberal ones at that counted and recounted many different ways with chads,no chads and all that...and still said bush won...The United States is a represenative republic, we elect officials to handle our business, the executive, legislative and judicial...the only democracy that exists here is the the for president, of which does not decide the presidency the electorial college does.

as far as your government goes amber if it were any good we would not have left a few hundred years ago...

oh, and lastly amber I try to go to bed before 3:00 am,unless there's some skywatching to do...keep that in mind next time you want to *flame*...

I'm not as young as I used to be...

btw txp, Bush is not a weenie...he works out daily and frankly could whip "bubba" with one hand tied behind his back...

posted 10-19-2001 01:52 AM            

I didn't say a wimp, I said a weenie. And that's just my liberal opinion.

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posted 10-19-2001 04:01 AM            

"as far as your government goes amber if it were any good we would not have left a few hundred years ago..."

You are absolutely right TS...I said the almost the exact same thing to God the other day...God, I said, If Paradise had been any good we would not have left it eons ago! Good point, TS...I know the trains may run slowly over here...but our system of government has progressed a little since the time of the Mayflower...I thought America was a little more progressive than to harp back to who did what to who and when...And for the record TS sir...I am of Irish background....the 'british' inflicted hundreds of years of pain and suffering on my ancestors..but there comes a point when you just have to let go of the past...unless one is just too insecure about the future.

"oh, and lastly amber I try to go to bed before 3:00 am,unless there's some skywatching to do...keep that in mind next time you want to *flame*..."

Sorry..I am not sure what flaming means (honestly)...

It is only right and proper that you should defend your country and its system of government, but you can't be blind to its faults...And why take it so personally? You are not Bush, you are not your system of government...why take offence? If you perceived that I thought the Uk system is in some way superior...your perception is wrong...you took one paragraph of what I said to justify your wrath at this upstart from some backward tiny island who dared comment on an aspect of your system. Go ahead if it makes you feel morally superior...I'm glad I could make you feel better....BUT if you read what I said without the red mist before your eyes...I was talking about democracy in general...about being able to voice dissenting views without being deported...but as you have made clear I don't live in a democracy, and therefore have no right to talk to you...fair enough...You win...I bow to your moral and intellectual superiority...I won't dare risk upsetting you again...not really in my nature....I will leave you with this:

By JOHN IBBITSON

Thursday, October 11, 2001 – Print Edition, Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Just weeks ago, it would have been the biggest story in the land: A final, comprehensive audit would reveal whether Al Gore or George W. Bush should be president. Today, it seems to be nobody's news.

A consortium of major U.S. news organizations has decided unanimously not to analyze and report the results of the $1-million (U.S.) audit they commissioned to identify which presidential candidate received the most votes in Florida in last November's election.

By "spiking" the story, they have raised questions about whether the country's biggest media conglomerates are suppressing news that potentially could tarnish the image of Mr. Bush in the midst of the President's war on terrorism.

"I find it truly extraordinary that they have made this decision," said Jane Kirtley, media ethics specialist at the University of Minnesota. "I am so chilled by what is going on."

The Supreme Court, in ordering an end to the recounting of votes in Florida last December, effectively handed the presidency to Mr. Bush. But there was evidence that, had accidentally mismarked ballots such as the famous "dimpled chads" been properly scrutinized, Mr. Gore might have won the state and the presidency.

Last January, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, Associated Press, Newsweek, CNN and several other news organizations banded together and commissioned the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center to conduct a comprehensive examination of the ballots not officially counted in the Florida result.
The centre was charged with examining each of about 180,000 uncounted ballots, reporting on which marks are on each ballot.

The survey was completed around the end of August, Julie Antelman, a spokeswoman for the centre, said. Reporters and editors from each member of the consortium were then to review the survey and attempt to discern how each voter had intended to vote, and who, on that basis, won Florida.

But shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the consortium unanimously agreed not to proceed with the analysis.

To choose deliberately not to report major news is a remarkable decision for them to take. But they say the decision was taken because of a lack of resources and that the war on terrorism has made the story irrelevant.

"Right now, we don't have the time, the personnel or the space in the newspaper to focus on this," Catherine Mathis, vice-president of corporate communications at the New York Times Co., said in an interview. "There's a much bigger story right now."

Work on the Florida recount, she said, has been "postponed indefinitely."

"Our belief is that the priorities of the country have changed, and our priorities have changed, and we need to marshal our person-power and our financial resources to cover the events of Sept. 11 and its aftermath," said Steven Goldstein, vice-president of corporate communications for Dow Jones & Co., which publishes The Wall Street Journal. "When times have settled down, I'm sure all of this will come out. But not in the next few weeks."

There have been previous efforts to examine rejected Florida ballots in an attempt to divine the intent of the voters who cast them, including a survey by The Miami Herald that suggested Mr. Bush indeed won the state.

But the study commissioned by the news consortium was by far the most detailed and objective. Because antiquated voting machines were used in Florida and the punch-card ballots were complicated, many votes were marked as spoiled when a machine failed to punch cleanly the ballot's chad -- the bit of paper to be punched out.

To help divine voter intent, each of 180,000 uncounted ballots was examined by a three-person panel, and its marking described. Was the chad "dimpled," (bulging, but intact)? Hanging by one or three corners? Could light be seen through the intended hole?

The results were tabulated in a set of tables. "The National Opinion Research Center has completed its part of the task," Ms. Antelman said. "What remains is for the media group to request the data set."

Neither the centre nor the consortium knows whether the data suggest that, had the uncounted votes been tallied, Mr. Gore or Mr. Bush would have won the state. Mr. Goldstein rejected the suggestion that the media might be avoiding the story for fear of embarrassing the President in a time of national crisis.

"It has absolutely nothing to do with that whatsoever," he said. "The priorities have changed. People are focused on the fact that we're at war."

But "to say it is not a story any more is an utterly ingenuous thing to say," Prof. Kirtley said. "Of course it's still a story, whatever are the results of that audit.

"They should just do it."

posted 10-22-2001 10:40 AM            

You have to spend a bit of time researching CIA programs with names like MK-Ultra. MK-NAOMI, MK-SEARCH, Project Artichoke, Project Monarch and MORE. These mind control programs often use drugs, torture and RAPE. Research found that using 18 MONTH old infants was the earliest stage to start with. Use a search engine to find material exposing this by Fritz Springmeier, Cathy O'Brien, Bryce Tailor and others. IT'S REAL and bear in mind that Bush Sr. was the HEAD of the CIA knowledgable in thier dirty tricks etc.

Now, Cathy O'Brien DOCUMENTED the molestation of her young daughter Kelly in the book: "Tranceformation of America" Excerpts can be found ONLINE at: http://www.trance-formation.com While there, click on the tab on the left to read on Cheney entitled: "A most dangerous game" Bear in mind that this was written LONG before Jr's run. Here's your CLUE folks! Her daughter Kelly was kept from Cathy for: "REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY"!! This blanket BULLSHIT excuse is used by dirty judges to cover-up all manners of government ILLEGAL ACTIVITY! This is PUBLIC RECORD! The case of Cathy trying to get her daughter back from TN is PUBLIC RECORD along with WHY! Most people are lazy and won't check this stuff out so it's easier to believe it didn't happen.

SORRY Charlie! We've got some really SICK puppies running our government. It's important to understand HOW sick so you'll know what they're capable of.

Bohemian Grove is LUCIFERIAN as is Skull and Bones they joined at Yale. Cheney and others are Bohemian Grove boys!

If I could figure out how to insert a photo, I'd show you Bushy Jr. giving the ole SATANIC salute they got away with calling it the 'W' sign.