posted 10-17-2001 10:10 AM            

Here is what Snopes.com had to say about this myth -- which, like almost all myths, is completely false.

"Origins: The above-quoted e-mail began circulating on October 5, 2001. Its author, a young lady whose signature block is included in a number of the forwards, has told us she got this story from a friend, who in turn heard it from the warned girl."

"Whatever the gal who wrote the e-mail believes about the truthfulness of her friend, this particular story is false:"

"Hundreds of people have called Katsis or the FBI to check the E-mail's veracity."

" 'The information is completely unsubstantiated,' said Laura Bosley, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Los Angeles bureau. 'There is nothing to suggest it is credible'. "

"A public information officer at the FBI's National Press Office told us that they've fielded many phone calls about this message, they've checked it out, and they have received no letter of warning from a girl with an Afghan boyfriend."

"This story fits neatly into the genre of a number of similar rumors about helped terrorists or compassionate Arabs who are moved to offer specific warnings about upcoming attacks, and thus should most likely be dismissed as just more of the same. ("Helped terrorists" of lore offer such heads up by way of thanks for a kindness done them. "Compassionate Arabs" of rumor offer such intelligence to favored neighbors, usually just before they themselves pack up and leave in the middle of the night. Dozens, if not hundreds, of versions of such tales abound, each told by someone who swears he heard it from someone who knows the person who had the encounter.) Such snippets of lore swing on the belief that those who have foreknowledge of destruction to come would jeopardize the outcome of those events by warning others. Terrorists may very well form friendships among the folk they've temporarily taken on the coloration of, but friendships stop at the line where they might interfere with operations. To think otherwise is to surrender to a form of naïveté that can only be characterized as appallingly wishful thinking."

Now don't get me wrong, this is still a free country. If you want to pass along myths like this one, or the Secret Plot to blow up the buildings, or the "revelations" that George Bush is really Osama bin Laden's sister's cat's grandfather's fraternity brother, you can do so. But you might want to remember these considerations.

1. You are, whether you know it or not, helping the terrorists and other enemies in their efforts to destabilize and destroy our country by passing along such lies.

2. Since many of the people who read your posts are extremely suggestible and prone to accepting whatever they see here, you are responsible for raising their concerns. They will panic meaninglessly just like you do, and they could end up harming themselves or others.

3. People just like you and me, who make a living just like we do, are going to suffer because these meaningless fears will keep people out of the malls, shops, and restaurants. With our economy already in the doldrums, all we need to really finish it off and put a lot of middle and working class folks out of work is to make up stories like this to further damage our economy.

Now this chemtrail belief system, in my opinion, is perfectly harmless. Nobody is being killed by folks shooting down chemplanes, because no one is shooting down chemplanes. No one is being harmed by fears of chemtrails cutting into air travel and tourism, because no one who flies buys into chemtrails. Chemtrails, I believe, is a perfectly harmless game; we all get to vent now and then; we can enjoy wasting our time on the Internet; Mark can practice his poetry and I can practice my essays; and no one is getting hurt.

But when you bring up these completely unfounded myths without even thinking about checking them out, you seem to forget we are in a war. You do a disservice to everyone I can think of except for one individual:

Osama bin Laden. You're his friend.

posted 10-17-2001 01:50 PM            

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...because no one who flies buys into chemtrails.

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posted 10-17-2001 03:28 PM            

You are correct, of course; I should've said something to the effect that 'belief in the chemtrail phenomenon is not a key economic driver in the level of passenger miles'.

Ms. Kneweyes:

I gather you took my first paragraph to heart and did decide that my comments applied to you. Not a problem.

"I did a bit of reserch on this subject...."

Snopes has been the premier website for discussion of urban myths for over four years. The article I quoted from was in place Thursday October 13. I do not know what kind of research you did, but I would recommend Snopes in the future; they've got a good reputation and don't pull their punches.

"...but since the big guys didn't know, well I just have do what comes naturally, and allow others to make up their own minds as to what to think of it."

If passing along unsubstantiated stories to overly-credulous people is what "comes naturally", then by all means, proceed. You may choose to take responsibility for what results your activities have. Or, you may not.

"Gee Thermit, I didn't know you had added another moderator to the board, or Duncan,... "

Actually, I am not a moderator; I am the new owner of this board. The Boeing Company recently bought out all the Chemtrail sites; we are planning on turning them around to a "yes, there are chemtrails, but they're only from Airbus Industrie aircraft" philosophy. this should do wonders for our sales in the 21st century.

In my new job, I report directly to Mr. Wiseqakker, whom many of you may remember as being a Boeing employee as well. Both Mr. Thermit and Mr. Carnicom are now millioniares, and it's all thanks to me!!

But getting serious for a minute, I do not believe I have to be a 'moderator' to pronounce my opinions.

Regards,

posted 10-17-2001 03:44 PM            

The way you recognize a moderator is, they wander around trying to fix the html in other people's posts.

Duncan has admitted to certain supernatural abilities lately, though, so he may be a moderator after all.

posted 10-17-2001 04:43 PM            

I gather you took my first paragraph to heart and did decide that my comments applied to you. Not a problem.<<<

Well, yeah, I did, since it was ME who made the post , and you were zeroing in on it.
As for "Snopes" ,, thanks for the lead, and I will check it out.

>>>If passing along unsubstantiated stories to overly-credulous people is what "comes naturally", then by all means, proceed. You may choose to take responsibility for what results your activities have. Or, you may not.<<<

A large percentage of the information in the posts in this forum are unsubstantiated, because it's been so darn hard to get any answers from those who HAVE the answers, since they claim there is nothing out of the ordinary is to begin with. Therefore.. they say, questioning of any kind, is unfounded.
I don't believe the people on this board are "overly-credulous". I pretty much think that they have they're discernment ability in the "normalish" range. LOL
I guess it all depends on how much personal experience one has, (not book read experiences) whether certain posts have more credibility than others. Depends on who's reading them.
No, I don't appreciate how you have taken my post individually, and insinuated that I contribute to, or am a friend of terrorism,.. and that is what you did. I won't play that game with you. Don't twist my posts around.
Like I said,,, when I posted it, it was said to NOT be a hoax, and there was no terrorism intended on my part. You can tell your boss that.
I have read the "new standards" of evaluating if a person is a terrorist or not, and your new posts seems to feel like a set-up of sorts to me. I won't play that game with you either Duncan. I still have the freedom to honk like the goose that I am when I sense danger,and yes, that just comes naturally to me.

posted 10-17-2001 08:47 PM            

A couple of nights ago I had a really rotten nightmare about some terrorists guys chasing after me. I ran into a big building that was mostly what I would describe as a beauty saloon. I kept running to get away and when I was finally confronted by the bullies (terrorists) they were all wearing Halloween masks. Somehow I managed to get away and while running out of this building I noticed there was some remodeling construction going on outside.

posted 10-18-2001 01:28 AM            

Thanks, I knew I wasn't alone in checking this stuff on Snopes before I would even think about forwarding something like that.

To the general populace,

As for the Mall-O-Ween e-mail not having any effect, I would have to disagree. I work in the retail/customer service industry and that whole thing has seriously put a crimple in our business and I know that we have locations near and in malls that make their money from mall patrons. To scare people out of the malls, which is what this forward is doing, is causing far more harm then good. That e-mail has been mentioned on several local radio station as well as one TV station, so now, even people without e-mail are being scared by this thing.

My point is only that when you get something like that, DON'T FORWARD IT! I'm sure that someone will take care of that for you, but you don't need to contribute.

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Just my $0.02.

posted 10-18-2001 12:43 PM            

The planet is in crisis!
Climate change is happening as a result of humans loading the atmosphere with more greenhouse gases than would occur naturally at this point in history.
The governments of the world are aware of this fact and pretend to do something about it.
Since 1998, under the UNFCC (United Nations Forum on Climate Change), the Council of Parties have met to work out ways to reduce greenhouse gas (ghg) emisssions. After their first meeting in Toronto the reduction targets were 20% below 1990 levels by 2010.
In 2000 at the UNFCC Council of Parties' sixth meeting (COP6), in The Hague, Netherlands, countries were trying to 'Work It Out' with regards to the Kyoto Protocol Agreement (1997) that called for a global reduction of ghg's 7% from 1990 levels by 2008-2012.
The talks failed.
The U.S. and Canada were desperate to have carbon 'sinks' and carbon trading, as well as having nuclear power included in the 'Clean development mechanisms' (CDM's)

At COP 6b in Bonn earlier this year a framework for Kyoto was worked out without the participation of the US. Unfortunately it will only amout to about a 1% reduction

One of the irony's is that Bush pulled US out of the Kyoto protocol saying it was unfair because devoloping countries would be exempted from reductions, when it was the Big Oil lobby that lobbied to have them exempted to begin with.

And here's the real kicker - even if we could agree to and manage a reduction of 7% or even 20% of 1990 levels by 2012 it would do us little good.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) is recommending a 60-80% reduction in order to 'stabalize' climate change.
Realising this will not happen, their work is now focusing on mitigating the effects of climate change.

The best case scenario is that Earth will warm by only 3.5 degrees by 2100. Great! that makes me feel good seeing how much damage has been done with our current warming of .7 degrees.
So, my point is, I think, our fossil fuel driven industrial capatalist culture has irreversably altered the ecology of the planet. This is causing massive and unprecedented human suffering and death.
By participating we become complicent in crimes against humanity and the planet.
Nothing more than wage slaves for the NWO.

posted 10-19-2001 01:47 AM            

Don't go to the bathroom on October 28th. CIA intelligence reports that a major plot is planned for that day. Anyone who takes a poop on the 28th will be bitten on the ass by an alligator. Reports indicate that organized
groups of alligators are planning to rise up into unsuspecting Americans'toilet bowls and bite them when they are doing their dirty business.

I usually don't send emails like this, but I got this information from a reliable source. It came from a friend of a friend whose cousin is dating this girl whose brother knows this guy whose wife knows this lady whose husband buys hotdogs from this guy who knows a shoeshine guy who shines the shoes of a mailroom worker who has a friend who's drug dealer sells drugs to another mailroom worker who works in the CIA building. He apparently
overheard two guys talking in the bathroom about alligators and came to the conclusion that we're going to be attacked. So it must be true.

The above was forwarded to me today.

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posted 10-19-2001 09:08 AM            

Your attempt at 'humor' is not the least bit funny. You should not be passing this information around because (1) you have not researched it, and (2) it is false.

There are no alligators in the sewers of anyplace except New York, and even the people of New York are safe from alligators.

As a CIA consultant and NSA employee myself, I can say for certain that this story about the alligators is completely bogus, and here's why:

I was having a calzone in one of our letter-drops here in Mesa, when one of the "singing waiters" (who is really an NSA worker overseeing security for the concentration camp and death-factory in Apache Junction) kept singing this song that sounded like:

"When the moon hits your eye / like a big pizza pie / that's Amore."

But I recorded it, and after running it through several filters, (getting rid of the "Paul is dead" message that kept popping up when I played it backwards) I found that this guy was really singing:

"When a fish bites your thigh / and the pain makes you cry / that's a moray."

So it's not going to be alligators; it's gonna be eels.

And that's the difference between you and me, Mr. XPig. I research stuff really carefully and don't jump to conclusions.

Regards,