posted 10-26-2001 04:55 PM            

According to the same issue of THE WANDERER, the "Rev." Philip Potter, Black Methodist preacher from the West Indies and current president of the World Council of Churches, gave a lengthy address to the Synod's 200 Bishops and Cardinals, in which he exalted the "big leap forward in secularization" which, "thanks to science and technology has enabled man to dethrone nature, an unknown and capricious god, and to come of age."

[skipping ahead on the same page - this was written in November 15, 1974]

The Rev. Potter...exalts in the dethronement of the "capricious god of nature." In a WASHINGTON POST article, "Parade," 15 Jan. 1967, that great lover of mankind, Mr. Jack Anderson, with the head of the Weather Bureau, complains that the weather is "man's mightiest enemy," and brags that "we will tame the storms." On 4 April 1967, taking up the same theme (so concerted is the revolutionary action), Charles Hosler, Dean of the College of Earth and Mineral Sciences, Pennsylvania State University, makes this remarkable ending to an even more remarkable statement before a Senate investigation committee: "I would urge you, gentlemen, to throw your support behind an intensive national program to enable the people of our Nation to be the first to throw off the tyranny of the rain gods and to stand ready in the world to help in removing one of the greatest uncertainties and tyrannies which faces all peoples in the world in their attempts to produce food and fiber to sustain them."
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posted 10-27-2001 12:03 AM            

I completely agree with the first three paragraphs of the Grand Pre post; it was a superbly executed military operation. The fact that the targets and their timing were designed for maximum impact via television, etc. makes mu realize just how badly we misjudged bin Laden.

Subsequent paragraphs, including such comments as "The group determined that the
enemy is within the gates, that he has infiltrated into the highest policy-making positions ... " or "The 9-11 activity ... was intentionally meant to trigger a psychological and patriotic reaction ... which is paving the way for "combined UN activity" .... The goal continues to be
ultimate destruction of all national sovereignty and establishment of a global government."

How these (un-named) individuals came up with such a conclusion -- what evidence the
have to support such a conclusion -- is conveniently left out, of course.

As to the balance of the article, the reason that we have German AWACs flying here is that
we asked for them. We prefer to have our aircraft flying in Afghanistan, where, I assume the need is more critical for American crews flying American aircraft to provide real-time American C4I to an American military operation.

There're a few errors in the report, as well. For example, it says that the hijackers were "...supposedly trained on Cessna aircraft over the past year at fields in Florida and Oklahoma. One General officer (whose name is not given, of course) remarked, 'I seriously question whether these novices could have located a target -on 200 miles removed from takeoff point...-- much less controlled the flight and mastered the intricacies of 11FR (instrument flight rules) -- and all accomplished in 45 minutes.' "

These guys were trained in simulators, Jack -- real simulators like we and CAE Link and a
bunch of other folks build -- that are extremely realistic. Heck, a couple days with
Microsoft Flight Simulator with a supplied 757 or 767 sim could probably teach you about
holding trim and altitude on a one-way trip to the World Trade Center!

posted 10-27-2001 01:51 AM            

yesterday's annoucement must have been quite a blow to the boeing crowd...missing out on guaranteed money....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,37400,00.html

Oh and shame on you for this :

Had you ever thought to actually use the comments by skeptics like me to refine your arguments? In this board, just like everywhere else, skeptics serve a valuable purpose: we make you think. Use us!

we all know that's from page 324, the indoctrination chapter of "winning the mind" sub-section c paragraph 27 of the "level 5" agent's training manual aka fighting back series #162, as of this date undelivered to the mass...who ya' foolin' duncan !!!...

but in response to this :

As to the balance of the article, the reason that we have German AWACs flying here is that we asked for them. We prefer to have our aircraft flying in Afghanistan, where, I assume the need is more critical for American crews flying American aircraft to provide real-time American C4I to an American military operation.

there are 123 foriegn folks at tinker airforce base right now....the "best" are over there, but still it's good to have them...

posted 10-31-2001 12:29 PM            

I think you have to admit, that the technology in Global Hawk and previous govt interest as Molliani has mentioned in "Home Run" does exist and can't be totally excluded as being impossible. The U.S. military has been very successful in keeping secrets about new technology for years, if not decades from the general population, i.e.;SR-71, F-117, B-2, Area 51/Groom Lake, Aurora (if it exists?) and many others too numerous to list. Other nations have also been successful in keeping technolgy and black operations suppressed as well. That is an historical fact.

Consider how long the JFK murders were kept secret and whose records are still being kept under wraps to this very day! Or the Israeli attack on the U.S. ship Liberty or Oklahoma City bombing as some of the more recent incidents.

posted 11-01-2001 04:17 AM            

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DUNCAN KUNZ SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS FORUM, HE IS AGAINST OUR CAUSE FOR AN EXPLANATION AND A CEASATION TO CHEMTRAILS, AND DEBUNKS ANY ANTI-GOVERNMENT THEORY OR STATEMENT..IF HE IS NOT REMOVED, I WILL VOLUNTARILY REMOVE MYSELF. IM TIRED OF FIGHTING SOMEONE WHOS ONLY JOB IS TO STOP YOU FROM BELIEVEING THE TRUTH..HAVE IT YOUR WAY, THERMIT, IM SERIOUS

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BobB, would you have a board where everyone agreed with you? Where everyone was following the same partyline? Isn't that what the folks on this board are railing against, against being sheeple?

posted 11-06-2001 09:39 PM            

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October 27, 2001 NA (Network America) e-wire

What ELSE Happened on 9-11? Would you believe . . . ?

This e-wire is really about the emerging Bush sponsored Police State
evident in the last few days, and what WE can do about it NOW and in the
months ahead – but first --

Please take note that in the last few days the Bush administration is
bringing into being – with bold and aggressive action – what W.’s Daddy,
George the Elder, announced 11 years ago.---

In a 1990 nationally televised Presidential address, President Bush the
Elder announced he was working to bring about a “New World Order.” The
exact date of this “New World Order” speech by President Bush the Elder?
Would you believe 9-11 (September 11, 1990) ???

Eleven years ago, this speech stunned informed citizens who had known
for decades that the Ruling Elite had been working behind the scenes
towards making the USA a mere province in their hoped for New World
Order government.

Veteran readers may want to skip the next three paragraphs – but they
are included for those newer to studying the Ruling Elite so that it can
be seen how deeply laid have been the plans for the W. Bush police state
measures that are being sprung this week.

(For newer readers, here’s a clue as to how deeply entrenched this open
conspiracy against the USA is: Look at the back of your dollar bill. The
right side sports 13 small stars which form the six pointed star of
David directly over the head of the Eagle. The left side of the dollar
bill sports the phrase “Novus Ordo Seclorum” under the all seeing Eye
and the pyramid. “Novus Order Seclorum” is a corrupted Latin which means
“new order of the ages” or “new world order.” Both above-referenced
occult symbolisms were put on the back of the dollar bill by
Super-Criminal Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1933. – Along the lines of
occult symbolism -- expert on occult symbolism and cryptocracy, Michael
A. Hoffman II, has completed his “Towering Inferno” edition -- the
newest offering from his Revisionist History newsletter – it is unique
and excellent on many fronts including occult symbolism -- and it can be
ordered for $10 through his hoffman-info.com website.)

One key revealing aspect of the New World Order crowd -- made popular in
conservative circles by the early literature of the John Birch Society
circa 1960: the major tax-exempt foundations, since at least 1945, have
been operating to promote an agenda that has little to do with charity,
good works, or philanthropy. The real objectives include the creation of
a world-wide collectivist state which is to be ruled from behind the
scenes by those same interests which control the foundations. The story
is told by Norman Dodd who, in 1954, was the staff director of the
Congressional Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations, known as
the Reece Committee, in recognition of its Chairman, Congressman Carroll
Reece. Mr. Dodd speaks from experience with conversations with the
leaders of the great foundations of that period, some of whom were
amazingly frank about their goals. The overwhelming evidence compiled by
Director of Research, Norman Dodd, was that the vast wealth of the
foundations was being funneled into activities that promoted a socialist
Anti-American world view. In 1953 Rowan Gaither, president of the Ford
Foundation, personally confided to Norman Dodd, "The substance of the
directives under which we operate is that we shall use our grant-making
power to alter life in the United States so that it can be comfortably
merged with the Soviet Union." (A 60 minute audio interview with Norman
Dodd himself on this subject is made available at
radioliberty.com/audio.htm; also an astounding and fairly brief
testimony in this regard involving Norman Dodd can be read at http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/regionalism/dodd.htm; -- there is
also a ton upon a ton of other rare transcripts on sweetliberty.org --

Another famous historical citation in this regard is this statement made
on February 17, 1950 before a United States Senate committee on banking
by James Paul Warburg, bankster son of bankster (and Council on Foreign
Relations founder) Paul Moritz Warburg. Here’s the younger Warburg’s
statement: “We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it.
The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by
conquest or consent."

Back to the Elder Bush speech of 9-11: I found that the Elder Bush “New
World Order” speech was made on 9-11-90 by pulling out an article I
wrote about the speech back then. This find is a small boost for the
view that many more things than we may realize are done by the Ruling
Elite according to dates, symbolism, etc. Of course, it could also be a
coincidence – but I view it as a little bit ominous, rather than
innocent. Hoffman says that the Twin Towers crash on “911” was the
“emergency call” to the collective American mind signaling that we are
entering a New Day and a New World. How many times have you heard THAT
recently from some talk show host or talking head or public official?
Was the Elder Bush speech of 11 years ago – also given on 911 -- a
conscious preparatory wake up call by the Ruling Elite to the American
collective mind?

Now – with all that background – let’s move to the police state and New
World Order thrusts which are coming hot and heavy from the current W.
Bush administration (please remember that all during the 2000 election
cycle, this Network America e-wire insisted that Bush is Gore and Gore
is Bush; the reason we were able to predict in our August 2, 2000 e-wire
that Bush/Cheney would win – is that Gore could NEVER get away with all
these pre-police state measures without a large public outcry from
Republicans – the same bunch who is now cheering, or at least
supporting, or at least keeping quiet about, W. Bush’s pre-police state
measures). Here are the important pre-police state developments in the
last few days:

1) NATO FLYING REGULAR MISSIONS OVER US TERRITORY FOR FIRST TIME. While
our boys are in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Germany, Japan – and who knows
where else – the Bush administration announced a week or so ago that
NATO would begin flying missions over the territory of the United States
of America. NATO is the intermediary for the United Nations, or whatever
new and improved (read: same) world body the Ruling Elite is going to
replace the UN with.

2) PRE-POLICE STATE BILL SIGNED BY W. BUSH. The anti-terrorism Police
State bill – which President W. Bush called the Patriotic Bill as he
signed it yesterday – has this significant feature: it breaks down the
fire wall – and blurs the lines – between LOCAL LAW enforcement and
national (and you can bet international) law enforcement agencies. The
unification of all law enforcement agencies into one police force is an
essential feature of Communism and Nazism – two names used by the evil
Ruling Elite in the 20th century, both of which were collapsed as they
outlived their usefulness to the Ruling Elite (Footdraggers China and
Cuba will soon drop Communism, wait and see.)

3) FBI WANTS TO GET CLEARANCE TO MONITOR ALL EMAIL AND WEB TRAFFIC.
Worldnetdaily.com and Fox News are announcing today that the FBI is
planning to route all internet traffic through central servers for the
monitoring of potential “terrorists” – that means the FBI wants to
monitor US citizens who are domestic opponents of the New World Order,
in my judgement.

4) ANTHRAX – DOMESTIC STRAIN. On the October 24, 2001 Nightline, host
and Ruling Elite mouthpiece Ted Koppel stated that the strain of anthrax
making the rounds in New Jersey Post Offices, high profile TV studies,
and Congress -- is now thought to have been “stolen” from a US
laboratory. Ri--ii--ii--ght.

5) FEDGOV WANTS TO BLAME PRO-LIFERS AND PATRIOTS FOR ITS ANTHRAX
OPERATION. The CIA front known as the Washington Post (and boy is that
saccharine faced Bob Woodward a disgusting CIA front man, posing as a
news reporter) is carrying an article today that the Fedgov is saying
the anthrax is coming from domestic terrorists. (You bet it is – it’s
coming from THEM!) In the article it is implied that the “domestic
terrorists” are right wing Americans who oppose the policies of the
state of Israel and believe that Israel is an albatross around America’s
neck. A Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the thoroughly dishonest Simon
Wiesenthal Center is quoted to that effect, as is the government front
group, the Southern Poverty Law Center, headed by sleaze Morris Dees
(which POVERTY center has $120 million of our tax dollars in its
should-be-disqualified-from-tax-exempt-status Foundation). Look for this
government created anthrax scare to be used an excuse to start cracking
down on anti-New World Order groups and individuals – otherwise known as
alert Americans who want to preserve the separation of powers and other
freedoms guaranteed in the US Constitution.

6) SENATOR SCHUMER WANTS POLICE STATE -- BAD. The Senior Senator from
Israel, subversive Charles Schumer (D-NY) has introduced a bill to do
away with the Posse Comitatus Act – which has all these years made it
illegal for the military to do domestic police work. Again, this bill
seeks to create one centralized national, and then international police
force. Schumer is the same traitor who has introduced the bill which
would move the USA towards nationally centralized computerized “vote
counting” systems with no paper trail and no citizen checks and balances
– to make sure that nothing the evil Ruling Elite is doing can ever be
reversed at the ballot box. As veteran readers know, we’re already in
that state of completely unverifiable, easily rigged computerized
elections in 98% of the country – and have been for two decades. Schumer
is just trying to make computerized vote rigging more efficient by
imposing a system on the American people that can be manipulated from
one central location. Schumer, (or as he affectionately called by some:
scummer), was also the one who wanted to make “spreading unwarranted
government conspiracy theories on the internet” – a crime of some sort.
Maybe he and his cohorts can institute a new “Nuremburg Trials” type of
retroactive “law” here domestically someday – and use this e-wire as a
basis to convict me of spreading “unwarranted government conspiracy
theories.” Real American, Chuckie – but what would your ilk know about
THAT? Knock yourself out boys . . .

7) GUARD AND ARMY RESERVISTS BEING TRAINED FOR DOMESTIC “CHECK POINT”
DUTY. This from former insider Al Martin: “What has not been explained
to the American people is the reason why 35,000 Army Reservists and
65,000 National Guard have been called up. It is to maintain internal
checkpoints. It has nothing to do with the external ‘War on Terrorism.’
All of these people are being trained at the US Army School of Urban
Control at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. CNN actually showed an urban
training mock-up, what they're training on, and what the new Internal
Security checkpoint is going to look like. It was mighty sinister
looking . . .” – I’ll let you read the rest at almartinraw.com –

8) BILL PREPARED LONG IN ADVANCE BY RULING ELITE THINK TANKS -- SPRUNG
ON CONGRESSMAN FOR INSTANT APPROVAL. Congressman Ron Paul made an
address the other day called “It’s a Sad State of Affairs.” One of the
things he reveals is that after 1 anthrax death – the Congress was
presented with a voluminous billion dollar funding bill – which has
PASSED ALREADY. This tactic of bombarding Congressman with MASSIVE bills
that have a lot of hidden subversion in them – is an old trick of the
Ruling Elite. But who prepares these massive bills? The Ruling Elite
think tanks, known and unknown, such as the Rockefeller Foundation and
the Tavistock Institute. All of this “pre-packaged” New World Order
product being jammed down our throats – is more strong indication that
the 9-11 kamikaze attacks on the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon –
were Ruling Elite operations, using remote control Global Hawk
technology, operating behind the believable front of Moslem
fundamentalists willing to die to get back at the USA for propping up
the terrorist government of Israel which has terrorized their
Palestinian wives and children for the last 53 years.

YOU HAVE MORE POWER THAN YOU THINK. Before getting to my action
prescription in the face of these pre-police state measures – let’s --

LET’S SYNCHRONIZE OUR NEWS SOURCES: In conclusion, -- and I’ll put this
call out again – I’m compiling a list of Real News Sources for my own
use and for your use, and I would appreciate it if any of you who know
of websites that publish real uncensored news and/or analysis would
email me with that source with “Real News” in the subject line so I can
identify it quickly. Here’s at least a near complete list of the sources
I have so far. Obviously, recognition of the news and analysis value of
these websites does not constitute endorsement of everything that is on
the site.

Totally independent sources of news and analysis, or independent enough:
hoffman-info.com; sweetliberty.org, almartinraw.com, etherzone.com,
rense.com, whatreallyhappened.com, votefraud.org, Sobran.com,
natvan.com; americanfreepress.com; eionews.com, theonion.com,
covenantnews.com; –

Partially or very controlled websites who, nevertheless, in trying to
appeal to concerned Americans, still carry important news items –
especially if you know how to read between the lines: worldnetdaily.com;
newsmax.com; jbs.org; thenewamerican.com; drudgereport.com,
frontpage.com.

If you know of any other Real News Sources, please let me know – and
then I’ll let you all know. The free flow of information right now is
critical, especially with the controlled Big Media all singing from the
same song sheet.

ACTION: Since we have not yet been able to get the momentum to organize
concerned Americans from precinct to precinct, county to county, and
state to state – here is what we can all do right now. Of course, spread
information like this email to opinion molders everywhere, and
especially to police, military, retired military of all levels,
sheriffs, and national guardsman. Why?

Because, in addition to spreading the truth so as to make it harder for
the evil Ruling Elite to move without waking up more people – the number
one thing to do is the advice we sent out last year from libertarian
Congressional candidate Liz Michaels of California. Before reading this
– catch a hold of yourself, and remember JBR Yant’s dictum: “If you are
afraid to speak against tyranny, then you are already a slave.”
Likewise, if you are afraid to act against tyranny when you are still
free – I would say you are worse than a slave. David Rockefeller has
purportedly said that the Ruling Elite knows they have a window of
opportunity that is closing – so do we. It’s a race to the finish;
everyone’s involved whether you like it or not. You can run but you
cannot hide. Besides, the only thing any of us have to fear is facing
God with a guilty conscience.

In 2000, we carried comments of libertarian Congressional candidate Liz
Michaels to this effect (paraphrased here): “The Revolution has begun,
and here are your first instructions. Buy guns, have guns, learn to use
guns, and help and encourage others to learn to handle guns properly. We
have an army 80,000,000 strong that is armed. The New World Order’s goal
is to disarm our army, and we must not allow that.” (end of paraphrase
of Liz Michaels)

Practically speaking, that means get a hold of guns and ammunition,
preferably without the illegitimate, computer-installed Big Brother
BureaucRats knowing that you have either. Go to an NRA training program,
or any other professional training program you can find. Learn, help
your kids learn, help your friends learn, and help your wives learn how
to professionally handle guns for self-defense and anti-tyranny defense.

These Bush pre-police state measures mean nothing IF the computer
“elected” politicians and New World Order subservient-soldiers who are
eventually going to try and take away our guns and other freedoms are
met with an army, 80 million strong, of trained freedom fighters –
acting in the tradition of American Revolutionary War Hero General
Francis Marion, the Swamp Fox.

If you don’t know about “acting in the tradition of the Swamp Fox” –
punch in “Francis Marion, Swamp Fox” on google.com.

Also, in the movie “The Patriot” – Mel Gibson plays Benjamin Martin, a
character based on the Swamp Fox. Here’s a part of the movie review from
Entertainment Weekly’s website (ew.com): “The film's most irresistible
aspect is its clever populist notion of how, exactly, the colonists
defeated the British. At first, the opposing armies, in their red and
blue uniforms, line up in stately rows, absurdly organized, like
marching bands with muskets. As the guns crack and the soldiers fall,
the battles become a stately ritual of mass suicide. The revolutionary
forces are the underdogs, ragged and barely equipped. It's Martin who
has the idea of uniting a militia to stage pinpoint ambushes in the
woods. Attacking by stealth, he becomes a fearsome legend, a ghost of a
fighter.” In the movie this plan is first hatched as Benjamin Martin and
his wounded soldier son watch one of these “stately rituals of mass
suicide” at a distance from the second floor of an abandoned house. The
movie is very violent, but has no objectionable sex scenes.

Another movie that everyone should see is “An American Story” available
from hallmark.com in the home entertainment section, or by calling
1-800-hallmark.

Just trigger points for “Swamp Fox” style resistance: a) N.W.O. / Bush /
Clinton attempt to take guns from any segment of the
constitution-abiding American people – even one person; b) N.W.O. / Bush
/ Clinton attempts to shut down internet sites telling the truth about
them; c) N.W.O. agents trying to prevent the restoration of honest
elections (paper ballots counted at the precinct by the neighborhood
people before ballots leave their sight); d) assassination or unjust
imprisonment of ANY patriotic spokesman, leader or fighter for the
preservation of Constitutional freedoms; e) attempted unjust seizure of
private land by any segment of the N.W.O. crowd.

The Ruling Elite and their local agents – all their money, all their
computer-rigged elections, all their Big TV stations, all their dirty
tricks – can’t protect them individually from “Swamp Fox” style
resistance if they go too far in trying to end the Constitution. As
George Washington said: “A well armed society is a polite society.”

End of this e-wire.

Jim Condit Jr.,
Director, Citizens for a Fair Vote Count

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