posted 09-01-2001 02:09 PM            

i hesitate to ask this question because i usually only respond to areas that i have knowledge of, but what are the symptoms of "chemtrail illness"? and have you eliminated all other possible causes of these symptoms?

secondly, are the hospitals and doctors offices in your area overflowing with people with unidentifiable illnesses? i only ask because there are no such epidemics in my area and you would think that the main stream media would catch on to an undetermined epidemic even if they dont link it to chemtrails.

posted 09-01-2001 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Chem11:
Apologize for calling you a baby killer? Please direct me to where I called you a 'baby killer'.

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Here you are. Suffering from Amnesia or a short-term memory loss?

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Aopoligize? Apoolgize to the US servicemen that USAF sprayed with toxic chemicals during Vietnam. Apologize to the thousands of innocent women and children that the USAF blew into pieces at the behest of it's corporate masters.

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Here, you demand that I apologize for the killing of women and children. Ergo, you believe that I am somehow responsible for that killing. Thus, it sounds to me like you are calling me a baby killer.

It's funny, but you seem to only answer the 1% of my posts that you can attempt to counter with your b.s.. Everything else is just a heap of garbage thrown in to change the subject.

Apologize. Now.

posted 09-01-2001 03:03 PM            

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posted 09-01-2001 03:14 PM            

Pick yourself up out of the gutter first and apologize for calling me a baby killer. Apologize for calling me a liar. Apologize for your statement about asking the military to kill U.S. civilians. Or furnish proof. I don't care. Anything else is chaff.

I'm no agent. Sedona's just as wrong as you are. I only asked you to apologize for or prove your inflammatory statement. And what do I get in return? A meager attempt to turn the tables and a plethora of insults.

And you'd better believe that I'm damn mad about it. I'm not going to sit back and be the recipient of your crap without fighting back. So, get off your ass and apologize. Now.

posted 09-01-2001 07:30 PM            

Even paramilitary sections of our sociecty don't exhibit this level of de-personalization. I have friends who decided to become police officers. There's a job that will change you. Law enforcement has become an increasingly despised profession over the last few years. Most of these people have few friends outside of law enforcement. They wind up dating other cops. Nobody trusts them. They are even more isolated because they live inside the society that shuns them, not in some sprawling base with others of their own kind.

However, they don't exhibit anywhere near the same level of de-personalization that people on active duty in the military do. If I say "Hey, big man with the badge! Hear about the latest in the Rampart division scandal? Cops knocking off banks. Running dope. Working for street gangs. Gotta love it!" They don't turn around and accuse me of calling them drug dealers or criminals.

It's weird. The civilian population isn't exposed to this way of thinking very often so I have nothing to compare it with. I imagine the 'training' takes a stronger hold on certain idividuals than others.

I'd love to get ahold of some information on psychological profiling as it pertains to enlistment and assignment. What psychological composite makes for a good fighter pilot vs. a good sniper? What do they look for? Ya' know, all this jibber-jabber has put me in the mood for a good cinematic moral treastie on the military condition. Hmmm. Heads, Full Metal Jacket. Tails.... Born on the Fourth of July (please let it be heads, I can't stand Tom Cruise. Pleasepleaseplease).

Damn. Tails.

posted 09-01-2001 10:07 PM            

now you are just making things up, my brother is a police officer. your take on military and law enforcement social problems are completely off base. unless of course you are a liberal, green, completely out of touch individual. fortunately, you are in the vast minority. the majority of this country appreciates the job that are police officers and military personal are doing. maybe that is why you are so bitter.

once again, i'll state this for all the undecided on this forum. chem11 if you want to debate contrails/chemtrails, thats fine, but why do you feel the need to degrade the people that defend our streets and our borders?

posted 09-01-2001 10:37 PM            

liberals are missionaries...and conservatives are builders...(david horowitz)

in other words to me, some liberals go ranting with arms *flailing* about this and that, but rarely get anything done....

whereas conservatives tend to choose structure over anarchy, truth based in fact over feeling...

although chickie deb "the seektress" is at the top of my chit list she did have a moment of "clear thought" in finding an article about how liberal greens have infiltrated the blm, and forestry services....

T/S

posted 09-01-2001 10:59 PM            

You want to be very, very careful here DD. It's a thankless job and I think there are a lot of good cops out there. Unfortunately, there are also more than a few sadistic criminals with badges running around.

Maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events... the Rodney King beating and the attendant riots upon the aquittal of the officers are still fresh in my mind, primarily because I was there. Protests here just recently because a black motorist was shot. The mayor went down to the neighborhood to calm things down and wound being hospitalized after getting hit in the face with a bullhorn.

I don't know from whence you hail, DD. But the very fact the term 'pig' is still in widespread usage should be indicitive of the reality I am describing.

posted 09-01-2001 11:35 PM            

boy chem your pushin' my buttons this week...first of all Rodney king was is a thug a drunk and a drug abuser...from what I understand he was on meth, law enforcement have to take specific training to handle these type for they possess great strength...and by choice the don't care...there is nothing more dangerous than a person who does not care whether they live or die...

and btw...let's talk truth here...after the riots in california...remember Reginal denny ??? remember how he was dragged out of his truck, hit with rocks kicked, beaten and left to die...

all because he was white....

put a badge on and amplify the above...

T/S

posted 09-02-2001 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by RidesTheWind:
I mean you have to ask yourself why the military would want to comment on chemtrail boards in the first place seeing as how they don't believe in them. It is either masochism and low self esteem or a debunker sent to destroy.

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Go to hell, RTW. You have stuck your nose where it doesn't belong here just to throw out another innacurate categorizing of the military and myself.

I began to post here and on other boards because a paranoid lunatic began calling my squadron and demanding answers as to why I am spraying them. I was then accosted by a woman on the street one day and she accused me of the same thing. Online research led me here, and I began posting. It's really that simple. I am no masochist, and I am not paid to post here. I am paid to fly jets. Oh, hurt me some more. I really can take it, especially since I laugh my way through most of these posts. Now, call me a baby killer and a liar, and things change.

So, you can take your off-base, false, liberal, peace-sign opinion and shove it. I am sick of it. You use whatever opportunity you can to throw out completely false assertions about military personnel, myself included.

Ans as far as your claim about us military folks being isolated from the community and such, I'll have you know that most military members live OFF BASE and in the local community. On-base housing generally sucks, just ask Delphi. I don't live on base.

And, on the subject of soldiers fitting into the local community, I suggest that you take a trip to a community that has a base nearby. Walk into a 7-11, a Wal-Mart, or whatever, and I guarantee that at least one employee will be a member of the military. You see, the pay is so crappy that many military folks have to moonlight at other jobs to make ends meet.

On the officer/pilot side of things, have you ever taken a flight on an airline? Odds are that your pilot or co-pilot is a current part-time Air National Guard pilot. Also, your local National Guard folks ARE your community, since they were born and raised right next door to you.

Do you even know anybody in the military, RTW? You think you know so much about us, why don't you get to know a few of these "monsters" in person? The people that I work with are some of the nicest people that I've ever met. Maybe you should meet Delphi's husband, I'm sure he's a great guy and he's ex-military.

Chem11, I'm still waiting. Apologize.

Maverick

posted 09-02-2001 06:07 PM            

While I value your expertise and your experience as a pilot, I don't value your 'hoax board' style hostility. And it's becoming most disruptive.

Because you don't agree with me, doesn't give you the right to call me a paranoid asshole and make deliberate misrepresentations. Because you don't agree with RTW doesn't give you the right to tell her to 'go to hell'.

I'll admit that my comment about your in-flight photograph was inflammatory. I don't take kindly to being portrayed as some delusional paranoiac because you've got a chip on your shoulder the size of Gibraltar. Perhaps I should have let it slide. But you've been giving nothing but bad attitude for the last month and enough is enough.

You don't want your buttons pushed? Don't push other people's and I doubt there will be a problem.

You want to raise hell, go play with your buddy Cydoniaquest over at your place. Or explain to CD how paraoid she's being by locking down her board. I'm sure both parties will be more than willing to give you the fight you're obviously aching for.

I've got no problem with you posting whatever pro-military, anti-activist, chemtrails-are-a-hoax diatribes you see fit. But at least make an attempt to do it without leveling personal attacks on the members of this forum.

Here's what I propose. If you want to 'clear the air' a little bit then double-time it over to the chatroom. No gloves, no mouthpiece, no rules.

I'll be waiting.

Chem

posted 09-02-2001 11:51 PM            

Raven, bless her heart, just uploaded this shot into the image database. Look familiar? Same prismatic effect, same gonzo trail... someone please tell me this is actually four 'contrails' appearing as one because of the viewer's perspective.

posted 09-03-2001 12:35 AM            

you taunt to TG to confront you in the chatroom like a "real man" i guess, then strut like the alpha male when he doesnt show up. wow, you mean he has a life. unlike you i am sure he has other important things in life to take care of. i always love watching a pansy liberal spread his feathers in the safety of his living room. i wonder how you would act face to face.

as for the last picture, evidently you do not have the ability to learn, even rote. i take it that you think that aerodynamic contrails are voodoo. what part of the picture is confusing for you? prism? you may want to look up the effects of H2O. ever see a rainbow? cirrus?

i enjoyed the contrail/chemtrail debate with you but i have figured out what you are all about.

enjoy your existance.

posted 09-03-2001 01:15 AM            

Now I have to deal with your hostility.

This has little or nothing to do with you, Dirk, and you have previously indicated that it wasn't worth your time. I, for one, wish that you would honor you previous statements and remove yourself from this discussion if you have nothing constuctive to add. Nobody likes a sore loser, DD.

Yes, I am quite aware of of the existance of H20. No, I was not aware that it was responsible for this unique prismatic effect. If this were the case, one would expect it to be present in many, if not all, photographs of actual contrails. Clearly, this is not the case. Neither does this appear to bare any resemblence to photographs of aerodynamic contrails that have been posted in this and other forums. Hence, the gathering concensus on the part of the sceptics that this was an optical illusion based on perspective. Perhaps you are having a hard time dealing with this growing body of evidence and are acting out because of your own lack of intellectual flexibility? I'm not a psychologist, but it doesn't take Carl Jung to see that something is seriously out of whack.

And I'm still waiting for that video you indicated you would be sending me. I suspect I will be waiting quite a long time.

Honestly, I do take some satisfaction in watching you folks work yourselves into a frenzy over this supposedly innocuous video and the supporting evidence. With the exception of Duncan Kunz, there isn't a sceptic on this board who hasn't lashed out because of their emotional inability to face the evidence. If you want to act like a pack of hyserical wild dogs, rabid and foaming at the mouth... that suits me just fine.

Thanks for the warm wishes, Dirk. I am, in fact, 'enjoying' this quite a bit.

Respectfully yours,

Chem11

posted 09-03-2001 02:18 AM            

my my....you get a video, see similar pic's of such, and call it evidence...(rolling eyes)

a few questions...

has there been any unexplained illness in relation to these photos ?

has there been any unexplained weather phenom in relation to these photos ?

other than the unusual nature of these photos and video, what evidence other than visual do you base opinion of a spray program ?

cause and effect

who needs enemies with friends like these

posted 09-03-2001 02:38 AM            

Of course they are evidence, T/S. Photographic and video evidence. You may dispute the evidence, but it is still evidence.

If somebody walks in to a bank and and pulls a gun on a teller, and the prosecution plays the security tape in court, the defense doesn't sit there and say "that isn't evidence!"

If that's the case then we might as well shut down the image database, remove all the face-recognition cameras that are used in casinos, remove all the security cameras from banks and department stores, etc, etc.