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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 08-24-2001 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eyesopen shot the video in question and it's being hosted over at MSN. So click the link...and while you're over there, be sure and vote for your favorite kitty on the topsites list.

I've gotcha now, Thermit! Though I guess there's no catching Renegade19 at this point...(sigh).

More to come.

http://megasprayer.pitas.com/

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Chem11 on 08-24-2001]

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theseeker
One moon circles

Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-25-2001 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
for some reason I can't view the mooooovie...or any of them..my player seems to have disappeared...hmmmmm....

but chem I did notice a reference to what may be the may 3rd tornado...

Mysteriuos flah captured in tornado video footage
On may 5, 1999 F5 class tornado struck central Oklahoma. A local news program dispatched a helicopter to capture the event and wound up with more than they bargained for. Sorry, no video posted at KWTV's weblink yet...(Chem11)

I believe you are refering to the "unidentified flying thing" which I have seen and posted many times and is there...I'll dig it up and post it so you can see it below...

I'm pretty sure this is what you mean, I don't recall a may 5th event....and the one on the 3rd of may reset the fugita scale, it was a "f-6" and was the highest windspeed recorded on land ever 316 mph....

Unidentified flying thing

T/S

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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 08-25-2001 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damnit. That was on the third, not the fifth. My bad. Thanks for the heads up and the link, T/S.

I've never seen anything like what's depicted in the video. I wouldn't want to even attempt to hazard a guess...

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theseeker
One moon circles

Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-25-2001 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bizarre'...it was moving into the wind, a very curious series I think...the math maybe duncan could do...not my area...if indeed as some have said it was a metal pole , then approx. speed should be easy for engineers to figure....

speculating...looks more like old film of shell firings from ships...

T/S

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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 08-25-2001 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A metal pole?!? Boy, that's a stretch. You're right... it does look a bit like a shell being fired. Whatever it is, it's moving damned fast.

Man, it's taking all I've got not to post eyesopen's next video. Think I'll let that last one simmer for a little while longer, though...

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Dirk Digler
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posted 08-28-2001 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk Digler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry guys,

the "bastard" appears to be a 4-engine commercial transport, probably a 747. because of the angle, all 4 trails appear as 1 "mega" trail.

DD

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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 08-28-2001 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry Dirk,

That looks more like a KC-135 to my eyes and it is quite obvious that one 'mega-trail' is being emitted. Blatantly obvious, in fact.

Have you actually watched the video? Can you demonstrate how the alleged angle of the plane could cause such an extreme optical illusion?

And how did you manage to identify the plane as a commercial flight?


[Edited 1 times, lastly by Chem11 on 08-28-2001]

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Dirk Digler
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126 posts, Mar 2001

posted 08-28-2001 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk Digler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
chem11,

i very well may be a KC-135 (707). 707's and 747's can be very hard to tell apart from long distances even for professionals.

yes i did see the video. what is obvious is that it was taken at a relatively low angle (look at the angle of the wings from the fuselage). from the poor quality and resolution i would bet that the aircraft was quite a distance away and low on the horizon.
it is obvious that the video is not from below and this is why you only see 1 trail not 4. however, it is also not uncommon for the contrails from all the engines to quickly combine and form 1 trail. so while i admit that am making some assumptions in my explanation, it seems that you are making an even bigger jump by explaning this as poison spray from an aircraft flown by air force "bastards". every point that you make can be explained by normal means.

i have a an mpeg of contrail formation at close range. give me your email if you would like it

DD

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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 08-28-2001 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the video was taken at ground level, therefore below the plane, Mr. Digler. While I am of the opinion that the spray program is taking place with the knowledge and assistance of the USAF, I don't recall specifically referring to this aircraft as being property of the USAF or neccesarily being flown by AF personnel. Nor did I make any mention of 'poison'. Therefore, it becomes obvious that you have engaged in the art of assumption far more dilligently than I .

Neither have you addressed my question regarding your identification of this plane as a commercial aircaft.

I'm certainly interested in any video footage you are willing to provide.

seactalliance@hotmail.com

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theseeker
One moon circles

Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-29-2001 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, I finally got to se the video...5 or 6 years ago there was a horse named Arazi, this horse was the next secretariat...some said...ran 14th in the Kentucky derby....kind of like this video...is there a longer online version ? so we can see how long the trail actually was and how quick it dissapated ?

(chem, you can play alex trebek)

I'll take "emergency fump dump" for 500 chem....

T/S

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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 08-29-2001 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Noooo. I'm sorry thesseker. That is incorrect!

Anyone remember that crystal clear photo of a jet releasing something fom it's wings that was circulating for a while not too long ago? Reynolds claims this was a fuel dump, and I'm inclined to agree with him on this particular occasion. It looks absolutely nothing like what is depicted in this video.

To answer your question, there is a much longer version of this video. The trail persists and begins to spread in all-to-familiar fashion. Unfortunately, bandwidth is at a premium these days so the short version is going to have to do, for now. There is a prismatic effect that is far more visible in the long version, as well as a strange flash of white light coming from the underside of the aircaft.

Now, if I was in the position of attempting to debunk this video as a fuel-dump, I would attempt to locate a video of a documeted fuel dump in progress for comparitive analysis.

A relatively easy task, one would think. Also interesting to note the lack of conscensus from the sceptics regarding this video. Here's the short list of inadequate explanataions proffered thus far:

1) Optical illusion based on perspective.

2)The contrails instantaneously merged to create one 'super contrail'.

3) It's an airframe contrail. (LOL)

4.) It's a fuel dump.

Chickie Deb spent fifteen hours trying to debunk this and the best she could do was post a link to criticisms of the Tiffany Brendt interview? She also claimed that the airspace in question is a 'special use area'... I'm don't know if that precludes the possibility of this being a commercial aircraft or not, but it doesn't really have any bearing on what is depicted in the video evidence.

So. Here we are.

Video evidence of an aircraft commonly referred to as a 'megasprayer' beceause of it's enormous and distinguishing spray pattern. The debunkers working overtime and making irrelevant assumptions and desperate attempts at deflecting attention from the video itself.

And they haven't even touched the on/off video. Too busy ripping each other apart in their little playpen. And since they're having such a hard time keeping up, I guess I'll hold off a bit longer on posting the two-in-one video.

Clear day in Seattle today, too. Life is good.

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-29-2001 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone remember that crystal clear photo of a jet releasing something fom it's wings that was circulating for a while not too long ago?

yep, that photo is a fake...toooo clear, and if you look at the reflections on the plane from the sun you will be convinced...

strange flash of white light coming from the underside of the aircaft.

a strobe maybe ?

I would attempt to locate a video of a documeted fuel dump in progress for comparitive analysis.

easier said than done...I heard a report on the tele...about a texas airport and a fuel dump...a report of gelitonus(sp?) goo was also reported...this area of the video was it a outside a major airport ?

3) It's an airframe contrail. (LOL)

now that I think a bit and roll the video a time or two...the background area to me looks saturated with moisture...not clear blue....the plane looks to be descending incrementally...(rulers out !)

'special use area'

military, you really ought to get F/E, it's a blast....and believe me your own eyes don't cut it, til you get an impartial electronic opinion...

Video evidence of an aircraft commonly referred to as a 'megasprayer' beceause of it's enormous and distinguishing spray pattern.

megasprayer....(chuckle....rolleyes)

I'll hold off a bit longer on posting the two-in-one video.

just post a longer version of the video...lol...

Clear day in Seattle today, too. Life is good.

damn sure is....

T/S

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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 08-29-2001 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't think it's a strobe, T/S. Too bright for that time of day... my first impression was that it was the sun reflecting off of something or other. But that doesn't seem likely, either. You'd have to see it. Trouble is, it's a 20 meg file. And I've got a ten meg file size limit.

I'll see if I can track that photo down again. I'm curious as to it's origin.

Yeah, the background sky is saturated allright....

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3T3L1
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Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 08-29-2001 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's the sun, too, Chem. If you've ever seen the sun glinting off an airplane or weather balloon at sunset, you get the idea. It was 4:00 PM, so the sun would have been fairly low in the sky. Is there a shiny spot anywhere on the nose of a KC-135?

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Dirk Digler
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126 posts, Mar 2001

posted 08-29-2001 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk Digler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
chem,

the reason that i referred to 707's and 747's as commercial aircraft is because that is what they are. both have been modified for military purposes. (although technically, the 747's roots are tied to a failed attempt by boeing to win the USAF MAC bid for a heavy lift a/c in 1960's, eventually won by lockheed's c-5).

obviously the camera is "below" the aircraft. the point that i thought that i made clear was that the camera was obviously not directly below. the aircraft was relatively low on the horizon.

i guess it is all in the eye of the beholder. i see something that i have seen thousands of times from both the ground and from the flightdeck. you see something sinister. in order for me to accept that this video shows something out of the ordinary then i have to come to the conclusion that this is the case everytime i have seen a similar sight. i cant logically make that assumption. i have seen it too many times in my career.

respectfully
DD

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Thermit
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2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-29-2001 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

Anyone remember that crystal clear photo of a jet releasing something fom it's wings that was circulating for a while not too long ago?
yep, that photo is a fake...toooo clear, and if you look at the reflections on the plane from the sun you will be convinced...

I remember hearing that this photo was actually a still from Thomas' video taken by that other guy he works with Paul. I don't have the video so I can't say... anybody have that video?

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Dirk Digler
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posted 08-29-2001 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk Digler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thermit,
unfortunately, i problem that you are going to have in todays high-tech environment is trying to prove your "proof" because it is so easy to fake pictures and video these days. out of the thousands of photos and videos that i have seen presented at chemtrail sights i can honestly say that 99% of them i have either witnessed myself in normal operations or can be explained my normal means. now, there are a few that look odd and that i have no immediate explanation for. but for me, these handful of photos do not prove conspiracy. when i first came upon this subject, i was very interested because i believe that anything is possible. i thought that chemtrail believers believed that there was a super-secret, small government testing program. i have learned over the last year that this is not the case. chemtrailers believe that this is a huge, global operation. this is the part that gets me. if this were the case then you would have a lot more proof than a handful of unexplained photos.

however, and what i was originally trying to get at, if you ever do produce a "smoking gun" photo, debunkers like myself will probably cry fake.

DD

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Thermit
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2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-29-2001 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

i thought that chemtrail believers believed that there was a super-secret, small government testing program. i have learned over the last year that this is not the case. chemtrailers believe that this is a huge, global operation. this is the part that gets me. if this were the case then you would have a lot more proof than a handful of unexplained photos.

Well, I don't buy the idea of an all encompassing conspiracy, involving virtually every country, weather-people, adding Chemtrails to old movies, etc. The conspiracy is not that large in my mind. Yeah, many balloon the idea to the extreme, but that just goes with the territory. Now, I also know for a fact that some look at normal contrails and call them Chemtrails, when they are not. I've shown this to be true with Flight Explorer as well.
Those that dismiss the theory, said that it was all normal traffic making these trails. But my research using Flight Explorer did not show that at all. If anything, it showed the complete opposite, that the highly persistent trails are the result of military aircraft. After being presented with my findings most debunkers dismissed the whole thing because of the rediculous notion that it was meaningless because I wasn't recording all flights 24 hours a day, seven days a week. However, more honest debunkers like Duncan Kunz admitted that there was a very strong relationship shown in my data between the probably military flights and these extra persistent trails, and stated that there must be a reason for that. There is a reason for that. Is it fuel? Well, based on my observations it doesn't make sense, but there must still be a reason. A Chemtrail operation would fit perfectly with the results found.

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posted 08-29-2001 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk Digler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the comments Thermit,

it is refreshing to hear someones opinions that are not extreme. however, the "rational" voices on these webpages are drowned out by the other types. the alarmists (for lack of a better word that would probably get me banned again:~)). these are the folks that are hard to deal with because no matter what you tell them, they are still going to see what they have already convinced themselves of.

by the way (i asked on the science forum), in reviewing your study it appears that you filtered out all traffic below FL290. is the correct or did i read it wrong?

DD

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Chem11
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1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 08-29-2001 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD,

While still photographs are quite easily faked, video is not. Even with recent advancements in digital editing technology, it is notoriously difficult to create a convincing fake.

I am fully aware that the debunkers will stoop to unsubstantiated accusations in order to perpetuate their agenda. Honestly, their numbers are so small and their methods so ineffective that I'm not terribly concerned with their strategy at this point. I consider them a useful test bed for presented evidence because many of the arguements they make are bound to be similar to the ones we are going to hear as this issue continues to enter the national spotlight.

Now. Since you claim to witness this phenomena on regular basis, I challenge you to present a comparable video depicting this activity.

Chickie deb claims that the airspace where this video was shot is a 'special use area'. Theseeker tells me that means it is restricted military airspace. So, my queston is; under what circumstances can commercial aircraft enter this special use area, DD?

Assuming that you are still ofering that explanation, of course.

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posted 08-29-2001 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk Digler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
to my chem brother chem11,

first of all, i dont have an agenda. i think that this shows that your impression of yourself is a little too high (as is mine probably). while the debunkers are in the minority on this board, the number of people that actually believe in chemtrails is relatively insignificant (no offense intended) while it would be pretty cool to believe that you are being interogated by CIA agents, i think that you will find that the "few" debunkers here are not that much different than you. they are people with normal jobs and semi-normal families.

not sure i have witnessed "unsubstantiated accusations" on this board by the debunkers. as a matter of fact it is the other way around. the accusations that i have seen are the believers calling the debunkers government agents and murderers. all the debunkers have done is present possible scientific explanations for what you are witnessing. we do that and you claim an agenda which implies coordination.

enough of my ranting, on to the meat of your post. as i stated a few months ago, i do not have a digital camera. with the type of flying that i do, i dont have a lot of play time in the cockpit anyway. so you and the others on this board can either believe me or think that i am the second coming of james bond sent here to foil your efforts at exposing this project. its up to you, i dont really care. i am only here because i enjoy a good debate and i hate to see basically good people lead down a path that was originally paved by 2 bit con-men.

i do agree that faking video is more complicated than picures but i have wathced enough fox UFO specials to know that it happens. by the way, i was in no way implying that the person who took this video had faked it. i think you misunderstood me. i was referring to an earlier post regarding faked pictures.

regarding the airspace, i would need to know the exact position in question. i could then check Jep enroute chart and tell you exactly what type of airspace it is. you may or may not know that the majority of military airspace is not restricted 100% of the time. they are either active or inactive (hot). when they are inactive they can be used by anyone.

DD

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posted 08-29-2001 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk Digler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
one more point regarding the mega-sprayer chem11,

i am sure you know about the different types of aerodynamic contrails that form under certain conditions (even at high altitudes). these are the contrails that form on the wings. they appear as one huge contrail that spreads from wingtip to wingtip. why wouldnt this also be a valid explanation for the aircraft's trail in the video?

DD

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posted 08-29-2001 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Further information is available on the 'Can anyone identify this plane' thread, DD. Including co-ordinates. Word-of-mouth is clearly not good enough as far the debunking mind set is concerned. They demand evidence. Well, they/you have it. If these are to be the rules of engagement, then I also demand evidence.

If this is an airframe contrail, which I doubt, then present video evidence of a documented airframe contrail for comparitive analysis.

I enjoy a spirited debate as well, DD. However the sceptic communtiy is going to have to rise to the level of evidence presented if they hope to debunk this.

Black and white photos from WWII aren't going to cut it anymore.

Nobody conned me into my awareness of this issue, DD. I became aware of this activity by direct observation. Character assassination isn't going to cut it either. Mainstream coverage of this issue is growing by leaps and bounds. Awareness is rising at a frenetic pace. And you folks are running out of time.

So. I eagerly await presentation of video evidence that refutes my claim that what we are seeing is an anomalous trail produced as a result of a covert military aerial spray program.

Again, I challenge anyone to provide footage of a documented fuel-dump or airframe contrail for comparitive analysis.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Chem11 on 08-29-2001]

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posted 08-29-2001 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Concerning "aerodynamic contrails", I've never seen any photos or indication that these trails would last for more than a few minutes at most. I suppose under rare extreme conditions this (lasting for a significant amount of time) might occur. Even wisqequakker's Prowler trails that he host posted, he said lasted under an hour. I would propose that, based on my research, any trail that sublimates in less than an hour is probably not a Chemtrail. Of course, I acknowledge that contrails can last longer than an hour, although I've never seen even anything close to that during my months of research with FE. (The longest identified contrail was about 25 minutes, in stark contrast to the hours long trails from unidentified planes.)

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posted 08-29-2001 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk Digler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
chem11,

with all due respect you havent presented evidence of anything. the onus lies on you to prove what you believe to the world not me to disprove something that i dont believe exists. that is backwards logic at its worst.
prove that i am not an alien. come on, prove it. all i can do is provide some explantions based on science for some of these occurances (not near as well as others have done).

aerodynamic contrails are well documented. i am not sure what else you want. how can i prove that the video shows this. my best guess is that it is not this type but it could be. why? because it looks like it. but i still believe that the best explantation for only seeing one trail is because of the angle. the point is that there is nothing that unordinary about it. it can be explained fairly convincingly by couple of ways.

"However the sceptic communtiy is going to have to rise to the level of evidence presented if they hope to debunk this."
once again, this doesnt makes sense. you have something that you have to prove, not me. AM I AN ALIEN OR NOT!! :~)

"Character assassination isn't going to cut it either. Mainstream coverage of this issue is growing by leaps and bounds. Awareness is rising at a frenetic pace. And you folks are running out of time."
not sure where to begin with this last statement. i hope you arent implying that i have tried to assasinate your character. as for the mainstream awareness. sorry, but i havent seen it yet. as a matter of fact, i have seen it start to slow down on the internet where it thrives. it is now starting to stray into the "paranormal" sciences. cloaking, aliens, spheres. not exactly mainstream. when it has been covered by a "mainstream" source, it isnt exactly flattering. it is sort of lumped in with the militia types. i am not saying that this is right, its just the way it is.

thermit,
i cant say that i have ever noticed an aerodynamic contrail last for hours. i dont hang around long enough to make this observation (mach .80 doesnt allow for much viewing time) but i dont see why they couldnt for the same reasons as any other contrail. moisture is moisture.

DD




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