posted 12-04-2001 02:56 PM            

I'm putting this on the table...not trying to prove anything...don't want to be right...and let me add, that I just want to know if anyone here at this site has also noticed this.

I've noticed at other message boards concerning chemtrails that a few people will sometimes comment on the strangeness of the sun.

Well before I get to the goods, in my neck of the woods (Quebec, Canada) the chemtrail operation has evolved yet again. It's gone from partial coverage and patchy blue to complete horizon to horizon chemdome coverage. I can't stress this enough...rarely is the open sky seen anymore...the rising and setting sun are becoming but a fading memory.

I can no longer deny this, and need to talk to others about it. About two weeks ago my Wife and I started noticing something strange. On occasion the sun would be visible and (as incredible as this sounds) the position of it just seems wrong.

I'm 31 years old and I'm not paranoid, nor do I try to jump to conclusions, but the sun seems to rise and set in a more Southerly direction.

Here are just a few examples from people who have noticed the same thing:

"My mother swears that the sun is not coming up in the same place that it used to at the same time of year"

"Yesterday afternoon, by coincidence, I was just thinking about the sun's position in the sky. I think your mother is correct: the sun does seem to be in a different position as compared to the same day and time for previous seasons."

"My opinion is that the sun this morning rose slightly too far SOUTH."

There are many more postings on this subject.

I can't say for sure what exactly is going on, but over the years I have learned that I can trust my gut and my eyes. In my parts, the sun simply is not rising and setting as it used to. I find it alarming that more people aren't noticing this. Then again, WHY WOULD people notice this strange happening, with the constant wall to wall chemical screen hiding everything.

I'm not a religious man, and I don't like doomsday scenarios, but I just can't deny this feeling that all the indicators are there that something truly massive is going on.

Is there any truth to the 2003 return of Nibiru...at this point my research tells me yes.

Please lets have some thoughts on this, and take a few minutes every day, to check the position of the rising and setting sun (if you can even see it)

posted 12-04-2001 03:40 PM            

http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/press/01/pr0143.htm

This article says the magnetic field is flipping...

http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm

Here a solar position calculator...

posted 12-04-2001 04:32 PM            

Of course, the sun is rising both later each day and rising further and further south, as it will until December 22. After that (hopefully) it will rise a few minutes earlier every day, gradually swinging north until June 21. I haven't noticed any difference so far.

The information about a solar cycle causing the drought that impacted the Maya civilization was good reading and makes sense. But I noted that the difference in solar intensity was one-tenth of a percent, which shouldn't have been noticed by the observers then -- or now.

If you have the time and inclination, you can download one of many shareware planetarium programs from the web (I like 'SkyView'). If you set the observation points at, say, a week apart and start 'paging' through the views, you'll see the sun make those same two kinds of motions (rising earlier and moving north, then later and moving south) for centuries and millenia to come. The program uses plain old Newtonian mechanics to predict this movement. (This is for people in the Northern Hemisphere.)

If you use this program and see a difference between where the sun should be rising on a particular day -- and where it actually does rise -- that would be news indeed. But so far, I haven't noticed any discrepancy.

Regards,

posted 12-04-2001 11:18 PM            

Our sun is hanging far too low in the Southern sky. In my 31 years I've never seen anything like it.

It's no surprise to me that THEY are trying to keep it covered.

I would be a damn liar if I said that I know what this means for sure. I suspect it may have something to do with 'X' (no, I'm not kidding).

One thing I can say with almost 100% certainty is that all along I've always felt that the chemtrail operation was the writing on the wall.

Now what I'm witnessing with our local sunrise and sunset only confirms that there is something massive going on.

posted 12-05-2001 09:50 AM            

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I have three pictures like this on diffrent days. The sun was just left of the house on the horizon when I snapped this picture last Jan. You can guess how suprised I was when the picture came out like this .I suspect the camera is a in expensive one 60.00 Poloroid 350 We took lots of pictures down in the Keys in april and It worked just fine,roman...

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posted 12-05-2001 12:27 PM            

Sung to the tune of "Do Your Ears Hang Low"...

posted 12-05-2001 02:11 PM            

First, let's get our definitions straight:

Sunrise: the instant when the leading edge of the Sun's disk becomes visible on the horizon
Sunset: the instant when the trailing edge of the disk disappears below the horizon.

These are the moments of first and last direct sunlight. At these times the center of the Sun's disk is below the horizon. Furthermore, atmospheric refraction causes the Sun's disk to appear higher in the sky than it would if the Earth had no atmosphere. Thus, in the morning the upper edge of the disk is visible for several minutes before the geometric edge of the disk reaches the horizon. Similarly, in the evening the upper edge of the disk disappears several minutes after the geometric disk has passed below the horizon.

The times of sunrise and sunset in almanacs are calculated for the normal atmospheric refraction of 34 minutes of arc and a semidiameter of 16 minutes of arc for the disk. Therefore, at the tabulated time the geometric center of the Sun is actually 50 minutes of arc below a regular and unobstructed horizon for an observer on the surface of the Earth in a level region.

However, this isn't very noticeable, unless you're standing outside with an almanac in one hand, and a corrected digital watch in the other!

There is another "fly in the ointment" for determining where the Sun "ought to be" and where it really is at a particular time: an analemma. If you look at a globe you'll see this little figure-eight thingy that diagrams the apparent location of the sun at the same time each day. Instead of just a movement from North-to-South-to-North that you'd expect from the seasonal progression, the sun's apparent location is driven by the fact that our orbit is elliptical, not circular, and that we speed up and slow down in our orbit, depending on how far we are from the sun (just like a figure skater's spin speeds up as she pulls her arms close to her body). Because of this elliptical movement, the noon "slows down" by about eight seconds a day for half the year

If you postulated an Earth that traveled around the sun in a perfectly circular orbit (call it Earth "A") as opposed to one that travels in an ellipse (Earth "B"), you would see some differences. At the time in January when the Earth is closest to the sun and orbiting the fastest, the actual angle between looking directly overhead and where the sun actually is, is only about .03 degrees. It takes the Earth slightly less than 8 seconds to rotate this angular distance to where the sun will appear directly overhead.

The most important thing about all of this to remember is that the difference accumulates each day. It continues to accumulate until around April 2nd when at that time the speed of Earth "A" and Earth "B" are the same. At that time the position of the sun in the sky will have reached its maximum "offset" to the east. The time difference between the sun and your watch will be almost 8 minutes. From April 2nd until around July 3rd the sun will drift back toward the west. Then from July 3rd to October 2nd the sun continues to drift to the west until it reaches its maximum "offset" in the west. Then from October 2nd until January 2nd, the sun drifts back toward the east until it reaches its starting position on January 2nd.

The equation that deals with this apparent discrepancy between solar time and real time is called the Equation of Time, which is not the same as either The Sands of Time, Time Magazine, or The Sands Hotel in Las Vegas.

You can find a lot more of this stuff, even more boring than my rants, at http://www.analemma.com/ .

Now as to figuring out where and when the sun will rise: You could simply get an ephemeris table from the Naval observatory for your latitude and longitude, or use an astronomy program like SkyMap to run the simulation.

Better yet go to the same NOAA solar calculator shown earlier in this thread, and slide on over to http://www.srrb.noaa.gov/highlights/sunrise/solareqns.PDF . There you will see the equations in all their attic glory. I'd just use the SkyMap software, though.

One final note on sunrise and sunset: While searching the web for relevant information, I inadvertently clicked on the URL immediately after the one listed above, ( http://www.geocities.com/tmartiac//yupanqui/apachesunrise.htm ) entitled "Becoming Woman: The Sunrise Ceremony". It details the female puberty ceremonies practiced in the Apache tribe, and is much more interesting than all the equation stuff.

Regards,

posted 12-05-2001 02:48 PM            

For my fellow numbskulls, here is a famous picture of the position of the sun taken by Dennis di Cicco. This picture was taken by multiple exposures of a single piece of film and shows the position of the sun over his house in Massachusetts about once a week at 8:30 AM for an entire year from 1978-1979. As you can see, the position of the sun at 8:30 AM varies considerably.

posted 12-06-2001 02:32 AM            

This was part of the link given by thermit.

"The Sun's magnetic poles will remain as they are now, with the north magnetic pole pointing through the Sun's southern hemisphere, until the year 2012 when they will reverse again. This transition happens, as far as we know, at the peak of every 11-year sunspot cycle -- like clockwork.

Earth’s magnetic field also flips, but with less regularity. Consecutive reversals are spaced 5 thousand years to 50 million years apart. The last reversal happened 740,000 years ago. Some researchers think our planet is overdue for another one, but nobody knows exactly when the next reversal might occur."

Something really eerie........the Mayan Calender ends 2012.......the same year as the next solar flip. Maybe our flip is due then.........

egads!

posted 12-06-2001 02:52 PM            

A few days ago, I found a website about UFO's in the Andes, and a lake with a 'force-field' that couldn't be crossed by an American in a hot-air balloon.

I lost track of the url though!, but it had several photos like the one in this thread with a light anomoly that they said was not a photographic phenom, but something they couldn't explain, along with UFO photos.

posted 12-06-2001 11:34 PM            

Wednesday December 05 06:26 PM EST

Weather Records: Highs! The Director's Cut!!
Record Highs for Wednesday, December 5:

Dulles Int'l Aprt, Washington, D.C. - climbed to 76 degrees today - breaking the old record of 75, set in 1998.
Spencer, IA - rose to 62 - which broke the previous record of 58, set in 1939.
Lamoni, IA - hit 65 - resetting the old mark of 64, recorded in 1975.
Mason City, IA - reached 62 - breaking the previous record of 61, set in 1998.
Ottuma, IA - got up to 67 - which broke the old record of 65, set in 1975.
Waterloo, IA - climbed to 67 - resetting the previous mark of 64, recorded in 1998.
Burlington, IA - hit 64 - breaking the old record of 63, also set in 1998.
Webster City, IA - rose to 65 - which broke the previous record of 62, also set in 1998.
Atlantic, IA - reached 66 - breaking the old record of 65, set in 1975.
South Bend, IN - hit 69 - which broke the previous record of 64, set last set in 1982.
Indianapolis, IN - also climbed to 69 - breaking the old record of 66, set in 1998.
Mid Continent Aprt, Wichita, KS - soared to 73 - which broke the previous record of 72, set in 1965.
Topeka, KS - also rose to 73 - resetting the previous mark of 71, recorded in 1946.
Logan Int'l Aprt, Boston, MS - climbed to 65 - breaking the old record of 63, set in 1973.
Worcester, MS - got up to 61 - which broke the previous record of 59, set in 1973.
BWI Aprt, MD - rose to 74 - breaking the old record of 71, set in 1998.
Portland, ME - climbed to 55 - tying a mark last reached in 1991.
Alpena County Reg'l Aprt, MI - rose to 56 - breaking the previous record of 55, set in 1998.
Detroit Metro Aprt, MI - hit 66 - which broke the old record of 65, set in 1998.
Flint Bishop Aprt, MI - got up to 64 - breaking the previous record of 63, set in 1998.
Muskegon, MI - reached 62 - resetting the old mark of 60, recorded in 1982.
Grand Rapids, MI - rose to 66 - which broke the previous record of 63, also set in 1982.
Lansing, MI - also climbed to 66 - breaking the old record of 64, set in 1998.
Concord Aprt, NH - hit 62 - which broke the previous record of 60, set in 1973.
Newark Int'l Aprt, NJ - reached 66 - resetting the old mark of 65, recorded in 1999.
Central Park, NYC - got up to 66 - breaking the old record of 63, last set in 1999.
Akron-Canton Reg'l Aprt, OH - rose to 67 - which broke the previous record of 66, set in 1982.
Cleveland-Hopkins Int'l Aprt, OH - rose to 68 - breaking the old record of 67, set in 1982.
Mansfield Lahm Aprt, OH - climbed to 67 - resetting the old mark of 63, recorded in 1998.
Youngstown-Warren Reg'l Aprt, OH - hit 68 - breaking the old record of 67, set in 1982.
Lehigh Valley Int'l Aprt, PA - also reached 68 - which broke the previous record of 67, set in 1982.
Pittsburgh Int'l Aprt, PA - rose to 71 - breaking the old record of 69, set in 1880!!!
Tri-Cities Reg'l Aprt, TN - soared to 74 - resetting the old mark, last recorded in 1982.
Dane County Reg'l Arpt, Madison, WI - hit 64 - which broke the previous record of 62, set in 1998.