bin Rydin

SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001

posted 12-08-2001 04:08 PM            

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Well what do you make of this?
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/cgi-bin/db-search.cgi?template=img-detail&dbname=img&key2=1104&action=searchdbdisplay

this stuff has been coming down by the ton on our local area...

right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000

posted 12-08-2001 04:48 PM            

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That's one hell of a busy 'spider' mark! Never seen anything quite like this before.

The HOPI prophecy regarding "webs' comes to mind...

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Lulu on 12-08-2001]

Senior Member

underground
138 posts, Oct 2001

bin Rydin

SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001

posted 12-08-2001 07:06 PM            

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Thats EXACTly what I am wondering as well David,
This piece of soil we were planting this fall was repeatedly worked up by tractors
and then REPEATEDLY recovered by these web strands from about October 11th to late November. Sometimes rain would wipe them out only to have them fall again.
I say fall because they fell from the sky, often landing across my face~yuk!
Once I parked the tractor after working the field and went into lunch, i came out 20 minutes later to find the tractor covered with webs from the seat to the steering wheel and throttle and gear shift and foot petals, and a 15 foot long one flying from the ehaust stack. I went over to the field and it was recovered in this stuff, but NO spiders.
Now this field is one half mile from the Pacific Ocean which is 5000 miles downwind from the nearest land mass China~ so the therory that these webs are the normal migration of spiders on the wind is questionable~ at least in my mind.
mind you, i do know that spiders can migrate on webs in the wind, but with this many webs you expect to see a few spiders around, and it such a long way to the next upwind land mass
by the way, did you hear that they found a little chinese spider visa in the wrechage near the world trade center?
niether did i...

once again i would like to thank ey>esopen

for help in uploading images

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Chemspiracy Realist

East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001

bin Rydin

SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001

Chemspiracy Realist

East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001

posted 12-08-2001 10:01 PM            

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Point taken Mark. Man you can work some pretty poetry into an ugly subject. I dunno about testing, maybe ship it off to Cliff? 3T3L1? Some braniac with a microscope?

I had heard about the webs here and other CT sites but yours is the first picture that I have seen. Do you know of any others?

Senior Member

Central Washington
527 posts, Apr 2001

posted 12-09-2001 01:23 AM            

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Excellent picture Mark... this really shows it like it is... and for those that haven't seen the webs like this in their parts let me tell you that here in the Yakima Valley I've seen them every bit as thick on certain days as what you see here. I just haven't got a picture of it as yet... but I do have lots of samples and anytime some lab wants to test them I'll mail them some.

Actually I've got some samples that I collected last year too...so they really don't disintegrate or disappear over time if they're kept somewhere where they won't be disturbed.

BTW... what was your technique for capturing these webs in such fine detail? What kind of camera did you use and where was your lighting source located?

bin Rydin

SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001

bin Rydin

SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001

Napa, CA USA
123 posts, Feb 2001

bin Rydin

SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001

Senior Member

Central Washington
527 posts, Apr 2001

posted 12-10-2001 02:09 AM            

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i have considered useing a sterile rod
placeing it in front of me as i walk down the row and twirling it as i go
kind of like cotton candy around a cone
at the fair.

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Mark... Your idea sounds about as good as anything ... perhaps you should spray your rod with a sticky adhesive first in order to make the webs adhere better...they're most likely to fly away otherwise. And of course you'll have to really avoid getting dirt on your cone. Let us know which lab you find to study them.

When I collected my samples I usually found large tangles of web material snagged on our barb wire fence. Using some tweezers and draping these tangled masses onto some black felt worked out great for me. I even collected some of the web flakes from off the taller blades of grass in the pasture.

Thanks for the tips on your photographic technique.

Senior Member

Central Washington
527 posts, Apr 2001

posted 12-10-2001 02:35 AM            

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Now... on second thought about the lab you send your samples to... maybe it's better not to reveal their identity publicly just yet. They could end up being targeted by TPTB.

I'll let you be the judge of that.

quarky

North Carolina
668 posts, Apr 2001

Chemspiracy Realist

East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001

Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts

Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 12-10-2001 09:13 PM            

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perhapz a doctor
would be ?
in house

Even if I still had access to a lab, I don't know how to analyze organic unknowns, so I have no expertise to offer.

Mark, since you have a picture of these webs, could you send a copy to the EPA and ask them if they had some way you could collect a sample and submit it to them? (If I remember correctly, the reason Clifford's sample was rejected was that he didn't collect it according to EPA standard procedure.) Since you live in an environmentally-sensitive area, perhaps you could tell them you're worried about what the webs might be doing to endangered species.

HEY, TOXDOC! If you read this, do you have any ideas on how mark sky could get this stuff analyzed?

bin Rydin

SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001

posted 12-11-2001 03:25 PM            

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So here is my next question
say we got a properly collected sample to a proper lab
and say they found out is was spider silk
how would we know if it was natural
or genetically enginnered ?

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000324-38.html

read the SPIDERS IN GOATS links just down from the top of this post
"the genetically enginnered goat produced silk is INDESTIGISHABLE from natural silk"
hence we would have to have a lab that could look deeper into if any other substance was being carried in/on the silk...
just looking at the outside with a scope would show you nothing unusual

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Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts

Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 12-11-2001 03:58 PM            

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This is just a guess, mark, but I think a microscope probably would be the way to tell the two apart. Just because a goat produces the protein for spider silk, that doesn't mean the goat has the spinnerettes to make the strands properly.

Even if this is recombinant spider silk (which seems unlikely--recombinant proteins are too expensive to spray over people's fields), if I were the EPA and I were concerned about honeybee populations, I'd want to know why large amounts of it have been falling out of the skies.

If you'd still like to find out how to take an EPA-approved sample, I'll e-mail toxdoc and see if he has any buddies at the EPA who could help us.

quarky

North Carolina
668 posts, Apr 2001

posted 12-11-2001 09:06 PM            

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I can't speak for the strands you guys have out there on the other coast, but this stuff around here has a basic difference from spider silk; ( and I would assume genetically modified silk too)

It is photoluminescent.

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bin Rydin

SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001

bin Rydin

SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001

Gastonia,NC USA
123 posts, Jan 2001

Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts

Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 12-12-2001 09:12 AM            

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Mark, I agree that the EPA isn't particularly concerned about humans. However, my guess is that they are concerned about endangered species, which is why I suggested that you phrase the request in that way. You can pretend you're a socialist Green who is concerned about the survival of that fish, or even about honeybees since their pollenation of plants is essential to preserving an ecosystem. It won't be that much of a stretch, since I know you really do care about conservation, even if it's not in the romantic starry-eyed sense that the bureaucrats do.

The reasons to have the EPA do it are that (1) they have the money, (2) they have the tools and (3) they have the credibility. Somewhere in that bureaucratic maze there is a real person who would like to initiate a crusade to save the environment of the Oregon coast. Your samples would give them an opportunity to do just that.

If I can navigate the HMO bureaucracies to get what I want, a guy with your talent can surely navigate the EPA bureaucracy to get what you want. It takes patience, but hey you do farming, so you already have that.

(If you'd like me to proof your letters of inquiry, I'd be happy to do that. Just send them to me in the message section.)

Senior Member

Central Washington
527 posts, Apr 2001

posted 12-13-2001 03:20 PM            

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3T3 and Mark... in our particular location we have ground squirrels that I'm thinking might qualify for some protection. Us cattle farmers aren't allowed to trap the little vermin anymore since it's considered inhumane. I guess it's better to let them overun and ruin the pasture instead. But hey... I could always catch them and release some into the offices of the endangered species... hehe! I'm sure they'd get used to listening to their high pitched whistles.

I seem to remember a story about the folks with the endangered species getting all huffy when some wind machines for producing electricity were being installed along the Columbia River Gorge since it was threatening the squirrels habitat.

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