posted 01-03-2002 02:05 PM            

If you are unable to tell that was, what is know as sarcasm.

Chip

posted 01-03-2002 02:27 PM            

Just a ?

Chip

posted 01-04-2002 05:08 AM            

I believe I may be confused as to what the meaning of trolling is?

<"Because it's you, Chip">
I am trying to play by the rules, but it seems the rules are subjective to whom they are applied to.

Chip

posted 01-04-2002 08:48 AM            

troll v.,n. To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies"; which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling";, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it.
There are three reasons why people troll newsgroups:

People post such messages to get attention, to disrupt newsgroups, and simply to make trouble.

posted 01-04-2002 09:07 AM            

Chip

posted 01-04-2002 09:15 AM            

1. First of all, realize we are confronting hard science at its very lowest and worst. None of this recent ugliness here is an accident. The military has one simpleminded goal- creating an atmosphere which will drive us off the board, and they have been taught all sorts of psychological monkey tricks in order to accomplish this.
2. Don't take the very carefully calibrated and calculated bait set out for us personally. Psychological profiling is not an exact science, but they're working on it. Learn the details of how they use this. Observe carefully which buttons are being pushed in yourself and others when one of the professional subhumans deliberately and pointedly slobbers all over someone in a post. Their main black weapon is the ability to pinpoint exactly where our personalities are vulnerable. Here's an opportunity then to actually watch real live evil in action. Study it as you would an alien malevolent life form- which of course, it certainly is.
3. Instead of being vulnerable then- don't be. Stand in spirit. Realize that they have figured out precisely what words and phrases will anger, annoy and hurt our egos the most: these will be delivered to us unfailingly and unrelentingly. (This is their idea of a job, believe it or not.) Don't snap automatically at the hook. Because their entire program depends on us doing just that. Think this over. If we don't react in the automatic puppet-like way expected... they have nothing to work with at all. They become what they are in reality: just something unspeakable which you are obliged to step around on a sidewalk on your way to somewhere interesting.
4. It doesn' t really hurt the soul in the least if they know how to stick pins in the ego. Why care about the ego anyway? Since they don' t have the slightest awareness of the existence of souls, they don't know humans can rise to that level. Souls are unknown to these willfully lower orders of life. So: live there, in your own soul, where they can't come. We have the power to be detached from any subjective waves of anger or hatred that arise. Just wait a minute, and emotional and mental reactions will subside, if we let them. We don't have to ride those reactions back onto the board. If we want to answer subhuman levels of attack, we can do it consciously. Speaking to them directly requires deliberate and considered confrontation. Unless others are alert, come to our aid on the spot, and overwhelm their personalized nastiness by sheer numbers, we will be the sole target of amazing viciousness. This is what they are after.
5. This is their End Game: to isolate individuals one by one, and to deliver overwhelming precision ugliness (results of personality profiling), again and again, while others look away in helpless nausea. They count on this scenario. ANY ACTION which disrupts this pattern destroys their operation. Please think this through. This psychological aspect of the war between the USAF and the Humans is critical to the survival of open and honest discussion on the net.
sedona
Registered User
(11/17/00 12:16:58 am)sedona http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=3740.topic

posted 01-04-2002 09:43 AM            

this was posted on Cliff Carnicom's board at ezboard. The purpose and direction of the post is still a mystery to me. "subhuman military operations on this board" ???
I don't want to blow anyones feeling of self importance on this matter, but I would be willing to bet the upper command of USAF could care less what is said here. Not out of having something to hide, but because it doesn't effect thier missions or jobs.

sedona>

This is also a Sedona posting on the same board
"<“But all along there has been an underlying acrimony too, which erupts here and there in bursts of negative emotions directed at others. We have all experienced this too. Again- how could we help it? This is the rough ride of a lifetime, and occasional screams of indignation are unavoidable. Still. To dislike, be suspicious of, and be rude to others simply because they have arrived at different conclusions than we have, is ill-mannered and boorish, to say the least. Debate is an ancient and noble art form, and has always been the sport of thinkers. However, honest argument by definition has to maintain certain standards. Ideas are the rightful fair game for opposing ideas. But deliberate rudeness on personal levels is traditionally forbidden because this is the basic requirement for maintaining debate at all. Spiteful personal attacks, whether disguised or blatant, debase and destroy all possibility of fruitful communication and rational exchange of ideas. Such petty indulgence in the destruction of lines of communcation hurts no one but ourselves.”>

Contradiction, I am not the one trolling. By your own definition

I have answered all questions posed to the best of my ability.

My fundemental purpose is to try to direct the aimless speculation in a useful direction. I have never said I do not believe that chemtrails exist. I am very simply very suspicious of the causes and means posted as explanations. I do not believe pop. control or innoculations are being performed. Do not take this the wrong way, or say it is part of the conspiracy planners plan, whatever. This simple statement applies everywhere, KISS, keep it simple stupid. It is a well know fact simplicity is the best answer. Try applying that to this problem, look at it objectively and there could be some surprising results.

Chip

posted 01-04-2002 10:18 AM            

So your saying 'everyone' enjoys making fun of people who believe in UFO's? and that "everyone" sits back and makes fun of anyone who claims to have seen a UFO?

I personally have seen plenty of ufo's, as have many people here on the WWW. You are claiming we are all hallucinating or crazy, and should be shunned from public board posting? As far as I know UFO, means "unidentified flying object". I have never identified any of them because I have never had another had another gigantic disk to compare it to. Sorry if I am not 'privy' to you guys 'inside jokes'. You know,,,,, the "private insiders joke" that the military has been building all kinds of vehicles for over 50 years now that would shock our socks off. Vehicles that look like they are from out-of -this -world.

Excuse the Hell out of me if I didn't 'know' that that triple football field sized silent disk, was really the militarys new improved "ZR473" or whatever you call it. I guess that would be pretty funny to all you guys "in the know" to watch us mere civilians amazement and shock when we catch a glimpse of one of your vehicles 'test drives'.
I guess it would be kind of entertaining to folks of your kind to see a civilian try to explain a siting to someone who is sworn to secrecy about such things,, and be lied to as a response. I guess all those photographs on the web are all fakes too, every last one of them, as far as your concerned,, right? SInce it is such a joke an all, and siters are all lunatics and you think Thermit should avoid them, because heaven forbid they post something like that on his Chemtrail site. Then all of Thermits readers might SEE something they didn't expect to see coming here. Ut oh,,, might make them start to think along other lines.
All I know is,,, if I had a job where I had to lie to people, I certainly wouldn't take such pleasure in it,,, like those " everyone has so much enjoyment making fun of types.... to quote your words.
I'd be sick to my stomach.

posted 01-04-2002 11:00 AM            

You know exactly the type of person I am talking about. I have seen things I cannot explain, in the sky, ghosts ect... But I do not go around attaching myself to people who are less than reputable, call our selves a group and demand recognition!

That comment was part sarcasm and part humor, and about a quarter truth. My friends and I do laugh at those people who run around saying the aliens are at the door, what do we do.

My personel belief is I have not seen anything to convince me aliens are here. But I think if they were here, we wouldn't know it. If they are here, they are probably centuries or more ahead of us in tech. And the old saying, technology advanced enough can appear to magic.

There is a problem with making all of these claims, HAARP, Chemtrails used for population control,innoculation, ...
It can and does cause a form of hysteria. A person reading how so and so developed an illness and blames it on chemtrails, these people can get physically ill. The phrase, tell a lie often enough it will be taken as truth applies here to.

If these boards are going to accept some kind of leadership role, they MUST also take responsibility. Responsibility for thier own words and actions, but also those who post and reply.
As I have said before, to be taken seriously, credibility is needed. The UFO crowd had lost it long ago, if you want to be taken seriously, be serious. People will be much more open minded to the idea if it is stated in a simpler manner. Simply state, We believe there is some sort of program that is releasing chemicals into the atmosphere. Say your theories are weather control, or improvements of radar or communications. Leave the other ideas out. I think you could gain a more main stream base of support.

As for what you saw, I don't know. I do believe there are aircraft that are classified, are strange looking and possibly fly in an unusual manner. But it is usually best to keep the details to yourself and friends, not for the world.

posted 01-04-2002 11:09 AM            

Hello Molliani,
Honestly I am not sure whether they are harming the atmosphere or not. I have been suspicious of the whole environmental, "were destoying the atmosphere".

For example..

There is no doubt there is a hole in the ozone layer. But the hole in the hypothesis that humans made it was, the first time they looked at the ozone layer, there was a hole! There is no proof it hasn't always been there. It does grow and shrink, but how are we to know it this isnt what it has always done?

There are fundemental flaws in global warming theories, and alot of the other atmospheric disaster man kind has wrought on the Earth.

I simply don't know at this time, but I am leaning toward, no, it is not a detriment to the atmosphere.

Chip

posted 01-04-2002 11:19 AM            

Chip, that's what we're doing here. There are not a whole lot of people in Lubbock who want to have ongoing conversations about chemtrails, so I come to this board to discuss ideas and observations. Although I have never seen a UFO, some of the people here have, and because Thermit allows discussions of other phenomena, they come here to have ongoing conversations, too. Thermit could have made this a closed group, but he has chosen to make it accessible to anyone who cares to visit. If people wander in, they are free to laugh or to investigate further if they choose to. They are not free, however, to add posts to a thread which are only tangentially related to the topic of that particular thread. That is a form of trolling, and if you troll, the members here will assume you are a disinformation agent.

posted 01-05-2002 01:06 PM            

Did you understand by what I meant by trying to avoid getting all caught up in the free wheeling exchange of ideas and losing sight of the purpose! That is what I was trying to say, also to gain a serious and reputable respectability in the world. I am really not attempting to hinder anything! But as soon as there is ANY sort of opposition or anyone who disputes claims made, they are branded a debunker, tptb agent, nwo operative whatever. None of these sites will ever get any where without being more open to outside opinions! Your in a vacuum, no ideas filter past and it will stagnate!
I am not a debunker, tptb agent or an nwo operative, I am a person who believes there is a possibility, but feel someone, a moderator, should at least attempt to stick to an agenda.
To have a group of people walking outside, looking into the sky, seeing clouds basically, and calling them a goverment plot is what this has all turned into.

I have read the science posts, about 3/4 of them. And it goes back to needing focus. A definite plan has to be made, a series of acheivable objectives ending with a goal. As it stands now, there is no cohesive objective.

This is not intended at any one person, it is an observation of three or four chemtrail sites. The research on this site is a great start, but there needs to be hard evidence. Looking at contrails and saying they are chemtrails is not going anywhere. The atmosphere is too fluid and unpredictable, to say contrails only form in these conditions, conditions can change rapidly and drastically. Contrails have always behaved strangely.
What is needed above all else is respectability and acceptance. And alot of the behavior I have seen will, if continued, put you in firmly in the realm of people that watch the Xfiles and believe it is all true.
And just one final note, I do not know anyone on these boards personally, and vice-versa, do not make judgements on peoples character by thier posts. Some are clearly sliding down the slippery slope to the rubber romper room. But I did meet with several people from the CTTUSA in Aug of last year. And while I do not agree with thier views on this entire subject, they were very friendly and open to me. So be careful when making personality judgements.

Again This is not meant to upset anyone, I am trying to help!

Chip

posted 01-05-2002 02:16 PM            

Yeah, we know. We've covered this territory before, at Thermit's anyway. You need to take samples directly from chemtrailing planes which are already 5 miles up when you see them go overhead. It's a bit tricky to have a chase plane ready to go and a flight plan filed at all times. If you had the huge amount of money and time required for that, you'd still have to get clearance to go up behind your quarry and take your samples. Even then, if Thermit's report is your guide, only a small percentage of planes which are emitting trails are actually emitting chemtrails.

Another possibility is that somebody who is in on the chemtrail operation(s) will see the light and tell people what is going on. So far, nobody has been willing to give their name, rank and verifiable details of the spray program(s). There are anonymous sources who have provided rumors, but nothing concrete has come forward yet.

Since we aren't able to collect samples firsthand, and we don't have a Deep Throat to tell us operational secrets, we do what we can. We keep an eye on the skies, we try to figure out when trails may simply be contrails, and we try to keep informed about projects which could conceivably be connected with clandestine spraying operations. There are lots of us, with different interests and abilities, and we each come at the problem in our own unique way. Nobody at Thermit's site is getting fame or money for doing this. Yes, it's kind of random, but we're okay with that.

As far as debunkers, they're welcome here as long as they're polite about it. (Read some of Duncan Kunz's posts here for the Gold Standard.) Debunkers also must obey the Forum rules, like avoidance of trolling (hint), obscenity, namecalling and making threats. We do have some true chemtrail believers among our members and they can get abusive. Thermit chooses to cut them more slack than he does the debunkers, and you will simply have to deal with that. If it gets too hot, debunkers can always go to the Science Forum to present their points. Mindless speculation is not permitted in the Science Forum, but neither is flaming. If you are feeling a bit thin-skinned and are willing to put up with the stricter Science Forum rules*, you will be able to present and discuss your evidence for and against chemtrailing there.

posted 01-06-2002 12:06 AM            

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Yes, those who chose to lie to us in a polite manner deserve to do so.

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I would have to respectfully disagree with you on this point, FLK. I find deception far more insulting than schoolyard taunts.

Funny thing I've noticed, when one of our own gets caught in an intentional deception (rare, but it has happened), they are immediately ostracized. When a debunking so-called sceptic decieves, they are roundly congratulated- it's just business as usual and a job well done.

Ocasionally I've been able to muster the willpower to ignore a flame or two. But I find deception uniquely unendurable.

Just my two cents.

posted 01-06-2002 03:00 AM            

LOL !

now that's funny chem...maybe you could mosey on into the kitchen and whoop me up some chocolate chip cookies...Mmmm...man.. I'm hungry...

Hope the new year so far has been good to those here...

posted 01-06-2002 04:13 AM            

The fact that you are trying to make some sort of connection between 3T3L1's ill-conceived accusation on behalf of the 'truth-seeking' Chickie Deb and my distaste for deliberate deception is utterly lame.

The fact that we even have to re-visit this non-issue is preposterous.

If you've got something to say, then say it. These vague Kunzian insinuations are growing increasingly tiresome...

Actually, forget I asked. If I was at all interested in this kind of 'dialogue' anymore I'd go to the hoaxists' board.

To be blunt T/S, I am way too busy and way too dis-interested to keep playing dodgeball with you. Or Nilkin. Or Duncan. Or whoever the pain-in-the-ass of the week happens to be. That's not what I came here for.

Take care folks,

Chem

posted 01-06-2002 01:33 PM            

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But it is usually best to keep the details to yourself and friends, not for the world.

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