posted 12-10-2001 03:30 PM            

Many people think the trails contain chemicals used to poison us. This may or may not be true; but one things for certian...

HIDES

Thats right folks. The blanketed sky shields our eyes from viewing the REAL LIFE Star Wars.

WAR IN SPACE.

THIS LINK PROVIDES HUNDREDS OF PICTURES THAT SHOW VIVID IMAGES OF SPACE/SUN ACTIVITY

Visit my thread in the "Other Trails" forum. It explains many more things that you must know.

posted 12-11-2001 01:41 AM            

It looks like a ship, but I always wondered how close to the Sun it was? Could'nt be as close as it seems, it would be much larger than the Earth itself? If it's an authentic photo, it might be in a much closer location, nearer to Earth?
http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/sun/suncrz.jpg

There was also that incident with STS-? the shuttle mission with the mile-long tether and mass quantities of UFO's. I've seen the video. This tethered satellite was severed by 'something' during all this UFO activity video-taped from the shuttle but with-held from us.

I also saw a shuttle tape (maybe not the same mission) that showed a very fast moving object heading for, but missing a UFO in orbit, visible from the shuttle.

Very interesting idea, possibility of ET warfare happening without any of us knowing? That would explain some justified secrecy necessitated by National Secrecy? How would the population respond to the idea of a war with ET's? If true, that would only be the tip of the iceberg. It could also end all the secrecy related to assassinations, wars, ET involvement in human affairs? ... as in "Gods of Eden".

Also may explain deaths of the 22 SDI scientists in GB who have been "Arkansided" or "Suicided". SDI could be explained as weapons to destroy attacking ET's, and not earth-bound, human designed nukes as we've been told.

Or is it another scam to throw us off the trail of something else? Very interesting ideas.

posted 12-11-2001 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Jeanie:
Hi you all; I really don't agree that the purpose of chemtrails is to hide what their doing up there. They are arrogant and couldn't care less about what we can see, otherwise they wouldn't spewing out toxic chemicals on our heads and taking away our God given right to clean blue skies. They wouldn't dare try such a thing on ground level, cause they know they wouldn't get away with it. 37,000 ft. up who can touch them? I believe ct's are multi purpose, and none of it is good news and varies according to location. I am a skywatcher and I have not seen what is described as spider webs nor have I seen silver somethings flitting around up there although a friend did see them in upper New York State. On another site about ct's there was a report about some who had the chem-slop examined in a lab. I'm sure you know some of what was found, things like barium, aluminum, blood cells(an experiment to see how they could transport something delicate to the ground on the wings of something stable like their poly fibers) I wonder what they have in mind to transport??? And don't forget the jet fuel base, I'm sure there's much more that I havn't mentioned. Wouldn't it be nice if we could line up the perpetraitors and their no conscience pilots and funnel it down their throats? They are planning world domination, possibly from space but it isn't going to happen because the Creator has a purpose for the earth and these devils aren't in the plan.

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Of course they care what we see.

What if they never started chemtrails? Everyone would be able to clearly see the war up there.

They don't want that.

posted 12-26-2001 01:13 PM            

"Sure it's a real topic, David. It's called brainstorming. It also lets the newbies know some of the reasons the chemtrails might be up there. Please look up the definition of a "troll" on Google.com and stop doing it. Thank you."

That is a great way to welcome new people, it just gives you the feeling they really want diffrent opinions, doesn't it!
Be careful Seeker, they get very hostile at disenting views.

As to the brain storming, is it possible that these chemtrails are just contrails? As Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof!"
The proof given is pictures of ordinary aircraft, ordinary CONTRAILS, and alot of unrelated topics. For instance HAARP, webs, Auroras.
http://ovnis.esoterica.pt/princip/SOHO/imagens/sohofev2000/soho26fev00_aa30.jpg

This picture is faked. It is simply a matter of scale and distance. The trail is doctored that is very obvious.

Chip

posted 12-26-2001 01:23 PM            

and alot of unrelated topics. For instance HAARP, webs, Auroras.

It's hard to know what's unrelated and what's not chip. Best to keep an open mind IMO.

posted 12-26-2001 01:38 PM            

It may be hard to know what is or isn't related, but it is a fact that there are alot of huge leaps in logic on these boards. Do you not agree?

While brainstorming has its place in philosophy and theoretical subjects, if your trying to prove something, brainstorming just throws unneeded information around and clouds the purpose.

But the most common opinion seems to be of a giant cover up, and those who are trying to uncover it are being watched (phones tapped, email read, sites hacked, ect...). And whenever I have tried to ask simple questions with out fail, the so-called believers have turned and attacked! They say it is because they are constantly having to state thier case, repeat the evidence, show the same pictures over and over.
I have shown these sites to people I work with, without any negative comment, and every single person said "they are crazy".

I am not making any personel references here. But we work outside, we see the sky everyday! And we do not see anything. We are all well paid and well trained people, and are trained to observe what is going on around us.

My point is,
1: There is no format for explaining what is supposed to be going on.

2: While the fanatism has its place, it seriously hurts any chance of being taken seriously!

3: Hard proof is needed. Not just pictures of contrails, clouds and aircraft. A sample taken and analyzed by a reputable company would go a long way.

4: You need to weed out some of the fringe elements. They will be the down fall of your cause.

posted 12-26-2001 01:48 PM            

Would you be so kind as to show these same people some of your dilligent work disproving the same.

posted 12-26-2001 01:58 PM            

but it is a fact that there are alot of huge leaps in logic on these boards. Do you not agree?

And what a huge leap of logic that proposal was, afterall, all the 'sane' people knew the world was flat!

if your trying to prove something, brainstorming just throws unneeded information around and clouds the purpose.
Brainstorming, is like 'daydreaming'. Many cool ideas/inventions throughout history happened because of such dreaming.

And we do not see anything. We are all well paid and well trained people, and are trained to observe what is going on around us.
Most of here and on other boards, are not paid to observe, but observe we do anyway. And very well. We see lots...of unusual phenomenon that is...

posted 12-26-2001 02:43 PM            

Start off with a reply to David.

How is proof of smething NOT existing supposed to be made? Unfortunately the burden of proof falls to those making these claims.

Hello Lulu,

People also believed that insanity was demons, comets were forebearers of disaster, walking under ladders was bad luck(it isnt a smart thing to do, but doesnt bring bad luck on its own).
Your talking about natural phenomenon. It is a far reach from that to a conspiracy to kill, innoculate, or whatever the human population of Earth.

Cool ideas they may be, but they do not bring you any closer to the truth! There has to be some seperation between daydreaming and a discussion for the purpose of finding the truth.

Let me pose a question, everyone here who thinks the goverment or NWO or whoever is spraying, they didnt find the site AFTER they noticed "chemtrails". An idea was planted that contrails are chemicals into minds that didnt notice, too much, contrails before. They didnt become noticable until they started reading and seeing stuff on these sites.

I do not doubt that you would and that is how it must be done.
To flatly state, "Chemtrails are real, no debate, they are true" is someone with thier head in the sand. They only want to hear people who agree with them.

posted 12-26-2001 02:50 PM            

Since you didn't respond to this last time, I thought I might try again...

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Trail Research Report
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Originally posted by nilkin67:

But there is a large flaw in the report, and it is stated in the report. Military and international flights are not shown. So the number of international flights around Houston is large and there is a large military presence also. So a large number of the unidentified as he calls it must be one of those.

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Nilkin,

Thanks for taking a look at the report. However, your statement belies a "flaw" in your evaluation of the data. While the software does say that international flights are not shown, in actuality it does report many international flights. If you examined the data, you would see several international carriers, especially various Mexican airlines, as they are quite common over Houston. So, in practice, international flights are shown. So that leaves.... military flights! That is correct. Interesting that it always seemed to be these military flights that sometimes left the trails that persisted orders of magnitude longer than virtually any commercial flights on any day at any altitude. You know, some might think that this was significant. I certainly do...

www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml

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posted 12-26-2001 03:29 PM            

Chip, this is a board for chemtrail activists not debate and debunkers. Yes, we believe that there is something "fishy" going on in our skies and are trying to find those of like mind to help us get to the bottom of it. Dissenting opinions of what that is exactly abound. Free thought and flow of "brainstorming" are encouraged here. Thermit has set up forums for just those very things, and a science thread to try and have a base of factual investigation. Get rid of the fringe, and we have lemmings. Let the ideas flow.

Disern for yourselves newbies what is plausible and what is not. Yes, Chip newbies have brains and can think for themselves and can see through the rhetoric you have so graciously brought here to "our cause" from Clifford's board.

If it's not your bailiwick...there's the door.

posted 12-26-2001 03:47 PM            

And another thing Chip, I noticed the odd grid in the skies last January all on my own, no "planted idea." It was a night time operation and completely obvious. It wasn't until the next day upon seeing it again in broad daylight that I did an Internet search on airplanes....then learned what a contrail was...then did a search on that word. That is how I found out that there are thousands of people that believe their own eyes and common sense as I do. Not blind brainwashed idiots that believe everything they read on the Internet.

It is with that confidence that I am comfortable most will read through your posts with the same clearness of thought that they would read any of the so called "fringe" that you so condescendingly call anyone with ideas that push the limit. Guess you would have been one of those "the world is flat" guys, huh?

You're like those guys that think those of us who are aware of the REALITY of a spray program are using this issue to fill some kind of weird need or void we have in our lives. It is the last thing I wanted to be real or to care about as a confessed workaholic entrepreneur. I'm busy and this horsehooey in the skies get's in my way.

posted 12-27-2001 02:44 AM            

I am not making any personel references here. But we work outside, we see the sky everyday! And we do not see anything. We are all well paid and well trained people, and are trained to observe what is going on around us.
Perhaps you haven't read enough of the posts here from some people who report very little if any chemtrail spraying activity going on in their areas... a certain moderator here from Texas comes to mind at the moment.... And then there are lots of chemtrail activists who have never even seen a web up close, let alone seen them falling from the air by the tons.

My point is,
1: There is no format for explaining what is supposed to be going on.
Plenty of other chemtrail web sites have formats... one just needs to look around. This place is mostly a forum for discussion.

2: While the fanatism has its place, it seriously hurts any chance of being taken seriously!
Hmmm... I seem to remember lots of fanatical Christians being marytered for their faith back around 70 AD..... but low and behold Christianity became a new religion which our founding forefathers have used to establish this nation.

3: Hard proof is needed. Not just pictures of contrails, clouds and aircraft. A sample taken and analyzed by a reputable company would go a long way.
I suppose rain samples showing elevated levels of certain metals: aluminum, magnesium, barium, calcium and poly fibers distilled from rain water in Canada and analyzed by a University personnel doesn't qualify? You can listen to this two part radio interview of Carnicom by accessing his web site....
Hey Chip... I have some web samples... if you want to pay for the cost of having them analyzed... I could send you some...

4: You need to weed out some of the fringe elements. They will be the down fall of your cause.
This particular chemtrail site that you've decided to visit gives a little more freedom for it's participants to explore all facets of this mystery and that is one of the biggest reasons I come here.

It was this comment that you made here that really got me going...especially the last sentence.

Let me pose a question, everyone here who thinks the goverment or NWO or whoever is spraying, they didnt find the site AFTER they noticed "chemtrails". An idea was planted that contrails are chemicals into minds that didnt notice, too much, contrails before. They didnt become noticable until they started reading and seeing stuff on these sites.

My first clue of anything going on was a radio program I listened to on Rense around August of 2000... I listened closely to Clifford explain about chemtrails ... some of it sunk in...but most of it made little impression. It wasn't until about October of that same year that I had the opportunity to see it with my own eyes.

The day started out clear blue skies with lots of sunshine... I had walked out of church and noticed the planes starting to make an appearance... then more planes showed up...before I knew it I was seeing the whole sky starting to fill up with a white haze... it was awful... We got home a couple hours later and I saw a long web floating off the awning. Quite by accident I discovered the method of observing the webs by blocking the sun's direct light but using it for a back light. I had my opportunity that day to observe tons of webs and flakes floating down from very high in the air. It wasn't until I experienced this event that I took the whole issue seriously and after that time I decided to do some real research. All of my research was instigated by that one event of observing the phenomena with my own eyes and NOT from something planted in my mind previously. When you have something that tangible getting in your face it tends to make you sit up and take notice.

The first web site I visited (Carnicom) had an article from some one explaining how to observe the webs using the sunlight ... I was so impressed with the description that I just had to respond, that was my first post to any of the chemtrail web sites.

To flatly state, "Chemtrails are real, no debate, they are true" is someone with thier head in the sand. They only want to hear people who agree with them.
Chip

In my opinion there is no debate that Chemtrails are real... the only debate now is to what their purpose is and how long will it be before the sprayers come forward and admit to the public what and why they're spraying our skies so full of junk we can't see any blue skies.

posted 12-27-2001 08:36 AM            

Ok, Thermit. As I said before, it is a good report. Alot of time went into it and it is clear. But it is hard to take the information if there are admitted flaws, and make a conclusion that it proves chemtrails are real. A lack of evidence isnt proof.

and Thermit I apologize for not replying, you have been patient and I thank you.

To FLkook, if free flow of thought is what you want why the negative reaction to ANY disent? If the only people who can throw thier opinions in are of the same mind, how can outside opinions be brought in? You make disent seem like it is wrong, but you are also a disenter.

(This is my personel opinion) Do not compare yourselves in any way to christian marytrs. While my personel belief is the later ones died horrible deaths for the purpose of becoming a marytr, which in my opinion makes them no better than the 9/11 terrorists. Thier motivation was not for the cause it was for glory and recognition. I respect the ones who selflessly laid down thier lives or sacraficed knowing there was no glory, no future recognition. They gave themselves knowing they would never be recognized and died or sacraficed alone.
<2: While the fanatism has its place, it seriously hurts any chance of being taken seriously!
Hmmm... I seem to remember lots of fanatical Christians being marytered for their faith back around 70 AD..... but low and behold Christianity became a new religion which our founding forefathers have used to establish this nation.>

And this sounds alot like the other remarks that infer some similarity between christian martyrs and chemtrail believers! That is truely wrong. It is a disgrace to people who had convictions and strength of character, and were willing to die for thier belief.

Are you willing and capable of making that kind of sacrafice. You are not. And if you are, for this cause, your a fool.
That was my personel opinion!!!!!!!!!!
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As to stuff falling from the sky, throughout history all kinds of stuff have fallen from the sky, colored rain, fish, frogs. And all of this as far back as records are kept.
Metals and elements in rain water are very likely from industrial polution, volcanic eruptions who knows. But the leap of misguided faith to say it is from spraying is quite a stretch.

The facts are
The US and other goverments have conducted illegal experements on the public, IN THE PAST.

The are experements including HAARP that do effect the atmosphere, but it is extremely unlikely the NWO or whatever is trying to eliminate or reduce the human population, or innoculate us, it is a bit paranoid.

As I have said before,
It
is
the
responsibility
of
the people
making
the
claim
to bring
the
evidence,
not
those
who
challenge
the
idea!!!!!!!!!!

Have a good day!
Chip