posted 01-15-2002 09:01 AM            

[Please go back and read Pat's post at the bottom of page 1 of this thread. Otherwise this post won't make any sense.]

posted 01-15-2002 09:08 AM            

Does anyone here know about the Boundary Waters Canoe Area? Furthermore the intense storm that passed through there a few years ago? I can link pictures, but a summary: Thousands upon thousands of trees where laid down in the area by 80-100 mph winds. After the storm, it was classified as a low grade hurricane type cell. Kinda sticks out as another strange weather incident for Minnesota/Canada. I will search for a picture or two. It is a must see.

My point may be mute, but the weather up here has changed drastically. I personally feel very strongly upon the weather modification theory, and this storm is a perfect example of perhaps a "test" or just the ongoing changes.

Sorry if not posting in the correct area.

posted 01-15-2002 09:14 AM            

Beware of a couple of the picture downloads for size, especially the pdf blowdown map, unless you are broadband. I have a 1.5meg connection and it was slow, huge file.

However, from that picture you can clearly see that the area mentioned was HUGE. It was a MASSIVE storm.

I did a simple "bwca storm" search on yahoo.

Here is the link, check it out!
http://www.ra.dnr.state.mn.us/bwca/

State DNR website.

posted 01-15-2002 09:49 AM            

Perhaps someone can check my math, but I wanted to stress the amount of water being lost from Lake Superior and it's perhaps significant tie to chemtrail/weather modifications. Lake superior is the world's largest freshwater lake.

Sorry if y'all hate math, i was perhaps a major in it at one time, then I decided to drive truck!

Figures:
Area of lake superior -- 31,800 square miles
Drop of water level -- 8 inches in past years

Volume = Length x Width x Height
Area = Lenght x Width
231 cubic inches/gallon
63,360 inches in a mile

31800 square miles is equal to 2,014,848,000 square inches by 8 inches is a big number (cubed now) divided by 231 inches in a gallon equals get this for water loss!!!

69,778,285.71 gallons.

anyone care to check?

posted 01-15-2002 10:05 AM            

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The reason I question the contrails was
simple. There is alot of high altitude flights coming over from different areas of the world. Those contrails disappear and are very common.

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That is exactly why I first questioned contrails and then seriously considered and accepted reality of chemtrails. I never really put it into words before though.

What I always considered to be real contrails disappeared and were always at a higher altitude. They also were more straight and recognizable as contrails.

posted 01-15-2002 10:41 AM            

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First. Some of the pictures here are not to accurate. I believe something is going on, but it makes the entire site look horrible by having one single picture that is, simply put, not of chemtrail or chemtrail activity. Those I am speaking of are where the "chemtrail" is coming from the engines. If it is a closeup, the lines are clearly not chemtrail, but contrail. Unless there is a massive conspiracy that includes jet propulsion (sp?) and fuel additives, I think this issue makes our topics and ideas look foolish as a whole. Replys?

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posted 01-15-2002 10:52 AM            

The pictures that I were refering to are in the image gallery under "airplane".

Here are a few off the top of the list.
-typical white sprayplane
-white sprayplane 1
-add to the haze

And the one that really bothers me:

"low altitude trail" This one is the kicker because it is clearly a Northwest Airlines 747. You can easily see the aircrafts wingtips which will identify it as not only a Northwest Airlines, but a very specific model of the 747. I would have to research the model number. The exhaust from the jet engines clearly is the cause of the contrails, not chemtrails. If it was a chemtrail deposit, would it not be straight off the aircraft itself? I believe this is one of the reasons I felt so persuaded to post to this message started by DF, over others.

I believe deeply that something is going on and this site and people on this site can narrow it down and identify the actions happening in our environment and society. However, I feel strongly that pictures that can be identified as false accusations will just fuel the general persons opinion that we are wacky people that just like conspiracies.... yadda yadda yadda

posted 01-15-2002 11:00 AM            

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4xSprayer.

This 747, same model as one mentioned in previous post, is not spraying a thing!

I believe, but can't we limit what we title as a "sprayer"?

I found a few great links concerning weather changes with excellent graphs for northern and southern hemispheres. Also, global weather in common. Anyone wants them, just let me know.

posted 01-15-2002 11:38 AM            

It is not spraying anything chemicals/things. The jet is purely emitting a exhaust which forms contrail. Clearly you can identify that this is a 747, in addition, you can, I hope, identify that if it was spraying something, well, it would not just start mysteriously yards behind the aircraft, nor would it mysteriously start yards behind the aircraft's engines.

Not "thing" spraying... This is what I was referring to when I wrote of improper accusations. Those get us nowhere and discredit everyone and everyone's theories, stories, comments, and ideas as a whole!

posted 01-15-2002 11:49 AM            

The best solution to this picture is to either:

1. Have mulitiple shots of the aircraft with the supposed chemtrail intact over time and distance. Most importantly, if the picture is a closeup of a jet, have mulitiple shots of the aircraft "emitting from the body" of the craft the chemtrail over time and distance.

2. Have a videotape of the aircraft doing the second part of #1.

If you firmly believe that the mentioned photographs are resulting in chemtrails, perhaps we should start a discussion on the theory of Jet Engine Propulsion Systems and Possible Fuel Additives causing a change in the atmosphere and ecosystem. Otherwise, give up this fight with these pictures, it is simply jet engine exhaust, not a chemtrail. This is why I feel DF's first post in the thread is vitally important. Go back and read it.

There ARE plenty of pictures in the image gallery that are, I believe, legitimate pictures of chemtrails and something major going on in our country. However, quantity never outweighs quality on proving something of this nature. These excess pictures will get us nowhere.

posted 01-15-2002 12:31 PM            

Personally, I feel that if the general attitude people carry is to see a aircraft with a contrail and say, "oh my god, chemtrail, run for cover" or run for their camera, in the end, people are going to have a lot of wasted film. The faq off the main page of this site clearly defines contrail and chemtrail. My suggestion was to just label the pictures accordingly.

Categories to fit the pictures...

Contrail in different altitudes
Contrail in different climate/temperatures
Chemtrail
Chemtrail clouds
Clouds (seperated and identified by class)
Funny photes.... et cetera

There is no harm in posting all pictures, but as a great site with a terrific layout, excellent links, and unbiased information, shouldn't the pictures be seperated and just as detailed? One bad apple spoils the whole bunch.

For an example of pictures I believe to be sorted in an appropriate manner, go to Art Bell's website at http://www.artbell.com and look for the chemtrail photos.

Here is a good one of a regular contrail forming as it intersects "trails" that don't seem to be of contrail nature.

posted 01-15-2002 01:22 PM            

Thanks for the info.

We certainly don't want commercial passenger jets labeled as Chemtrails. And I think that we should take steps to reclassify any such photos as "Reference" photos, meaning that they are contrails, as opposed to Chemtrails. FLKook, our Image Database Editor, perhaps could make some of the necessary tweaks, if we can get general agreement about the make and identifing marks on the planes.

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The exhaust from the jet engines clearly is the cause of the contrails, not chemtrails. If it was a chemtrail deposit, would it not be straight off the aircraft itself?

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I don't think so.

posted 01-15-2002 01:25 PM            

I think there are a lot of scientific explanations for contrail formation and disappation (sp?) that we don't know as laymen. However, anything can be put into laymen's terms. Please read my new posting under a different title.

I hope to continue discussing these issues, perhaps more, with all of you.

posted 01-15-2002 01:31 PM            

thank you so much! This is exactly what I was talking about in my post "what i know...i am not a debunker".

We must use our collective to process ideas and thoughts as basically laymen. What could be and what couldn't is certainly beyond my reach on contrail/chemtrail formation. However a couple of the pictures found here that I referred to are clearly Northwest Airlines 747. Can I please be acknowledged and give that? I don't know at this point if I can believe that the major airliners are involved with a government conspiracy, but I would not put it past them. In the end, most all are sleeping in the same bed.

posted 01-28-2002 07:09 PM            

Although I am new to this forum, I was a long-time member of the Contrail Connection.
It has been quite some time since I have observed any chemtrail activity here about Pittsburgh, but I have a question for a veteran pilot...

In many cases (including one of my observations) the aircraft observed in chemtrail events appear to be white, two-engined, mid sized jets with no commercial markings except bright red stripes on the leading edges of the engine nacelles and/or the aft underbelly. These markings are not artistic but appear to be sighting markers. Do you have any opinions or ideas whose aircraft they are?

Thanks!