posted 01-09-2002 08:38 AM            

To all members: Don't miss this!!!!

Bill introduced by 107th Congress mentions chemtrails and particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation, and it mentions mind-control.

Read it yourself: Go here: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c107query.html

and type in Chemtrails in the search box.

IT IS A BEGINNING. CONGRESSMAN HAS INTRODUCED HR2977, ADMITTING TO THE EXISTENCE OF CHEMTRAILS.

QUOTE FROM LINK:
Space Preservation Act of 2001 (Introduced in the House) HR 2977 IH
107th CONGRESS, 1st Session
H. R. 2977

To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

October 2, 2001

Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

A BILL

To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001'.

SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.

Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for
the benefit of all mankind.'.

SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE.

The President shall--

(1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and

(2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components.

SEC. 4. WORLD AGREEMENT BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS.

The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning space-based weapons.

SEC. 5. REPORT.

The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 90 days
thereafter, a report on--

(1) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by section 3; and

(2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the agreement described in section 4.
SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES.

Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--

(1) space exploration;

(2) space research and development;

(3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or

(4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

…(i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

……(I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

……(II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

……(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

……(IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

…(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental
health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--
……(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

……(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

……(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

……(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

……(ii) chemtrails;

……(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

……(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

……(v) laser weapons systems;

……(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

……(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.
END

posted 01-09-2002 09:32 AM            

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(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

……(ii) chemtrails;

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posted 01-09-2002 10:32 AM            

Also a congressman is free to propose any sort of bill he wishes. This bill is nothing to do with chemtrails, but has to do with SDI or whatever it is called now. The mention of chemtrails is not an admission that they exist. Though I am sure this will be used as proof and spread like wildfire.

Have a great day, enjoy your celebration!
Chip

posted 01-09-2002 11:09 AM            

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(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

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posted 01-09-2002 11:20 AM            

Best regards.

posted 01-09-2002 01:21 PM            

"For example the above quote doesn't have anything to do with SDI, so you are wrong there"
Read the name of the bill, it is the space preservation act, are you saying that cw or bw are going or have been deployed in space?

"Yes, it is. Anything else in the bill you deem fiction?"

Yes actually there is. How are you going to deploy a sonic weapon in space? Please think about that carefully before an answer. And techtonic weapons? Come on!

This bill is an attempt to block the missle defense program you all fear so much.

That term exotic weapons is a catch all term. If you wanted you could also have put gravametric, rail gun, mass drivers and photon torpedoes on the list. The list includes weapons systems that are currently being developed or are in some state of design. How could chemtrails be in the same sentence as electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons, high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems, plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons
laser weapons systems strategic, theater, tactical, extraterrestrial weapons,
chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

As to the general agreement that this is as an admission they exist, do you believe there is a degree of bias, on both sides? Because I do admit that when I first read it I thought what is the purpose of this bill. It is as I said above. But as for an admission chemtrails exist is pushing reality to me.

As for this statement
" Also, I do think you enjoy "raining on the parade". "

Are you a self professed psychic?

And kneweyes, I think that is a sign of a suppressed problem , seek help.
(I am just kidding, but if others here can make off the cuff psychological or psychic statements, I should be able to also, right?)

Enjoy the celebration!!
Chip

posted 01-09-2002 02:22 PM            

'But as for an admission chemtrails exist is pushing reality to me.'

posted 01-09-2002 02:30 PM            

I am eyesopen. Besides the image of brown skid marks on the ice when I think of "chip", it is insulting to the tireless activists here when he states:

"The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote."

but we all know...it is never too late for the pebbles to vote!!

The HR2977 bill is a big step in the right direction! Chip is not going to rain on our parade.

posted 01-09-2002 02:45 PM            

"Stop nit-picking Chip"

It only appears that way because it challenges your belief. If a problem is always approached with a solution worked out already, one of two things is going to happen. The answer will be what you wanted, because the facts have been twisted and bent to fit the selected proof supplied(square peg, round hole solution)
Or
The problem will remain, and those pursuiting an answer will never find it.

"I am eyesopen" Ok, then answer the questions I have posted about this.

Lulu, the old signature I used is a source of either never ending enjoyment(which I am glad) or torment(which I am not).

"The HR2977 bill is a big step in the right direction! "
I am honestly glad that you think so, and I am happy for you. But do a favor and look at the site firstgov and look up the rep who proposed this bill, look at his agenda, it will give large clues as to his motivation.

Party Hard (it aint a party till something gets broke!!)

Chip

posted 01-09-2002 02:58 PM            

Same could be said for you,huh...This does challenge your belief right??

C-h-e-m-t-r-a-i-ls......he did not say Contrails...

and now that this congressman has named it as such. Now he has an agenda.

And it does not say just space...it says:
C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.<<<

posted 01-09-2002 03:11 PM            

Thank you for inviting my comments. For what they're worth, here are my thoughts -- first on Mr. Kucinich, then on his bill.

Mr. Kucinich
Anyone who's been a political junkie for awhile knows about the "Boy Mayor of Cleveland". In the 1970's, Dennis Kucinich was elected at age thirty-one, narrowly avoided a recall election a year later, and was resoundingly defeated in his bid for mayoral re-election. He pretty much dropped out of sight for years, then ran for election from the 10th district (Cleveland and suburbs) in 1998 and was re-elected in 2000. With his unmatched ability at bringing federal funds to Cleveland, he should probably get re-elected easily in November.

One of the US Congress' biggest supporters of the United Nations, Mr. Kucinich is the head of the Progressive Caucus, and has introduced bills for universal health care, a cabinet-level Department of Peace, and has sponsored bills to spend millions of dollars on additional testing of genetically-engineered foods before they can be sold. (Interestingly enough, Mr. Kucinich is not against genetically-engineered foods; that would be political suicide in an agricultural state like Ohio.) None of his bills, as far as I know, has ever gotten out of committee; indeed, some have never been taken up by the appropriate committee.

Here are some clippings from Mr. Kucinich's congressional website that might give you some further insights into his politics and philosophies.

From a Cleveland Plain Dealer human interest article on representative Kucinich, where's he's joined at breakfast by the reporter:
Kucinich, a reformed steak-and-eggs man, contemplates the ascetic meal for a moment. Now a strict vegetarian, he shows no sign of being tempted by the savory smells of bacon, French toast and scrapple sizzling on a grill behind the counter.... Kucinich pulls a bag of green tea from his jacket pocket and dips it three or four times into the hot water, imperceptibly changing its color. He squeezes the water out of the bag and slips it back into his pocket.... [During his mayoral term] He was a "brutal, vain, yappy little demagogue" and "an obnoxious little twerp" who "lacks class." And Robertson was one of Kucinich's most ardent supporters in the media.

From Kucinich's congressional web page discussing his introduction of a cabinet-level Department of Peace:
The Department would also have an Office of Peace Education that would work with educators in elementary, secondary and universities in the development and implementation of curricula to instruct students in peaceful conflict resolution skills. In addition, a Peace Academy, modeled after the military service academies, would be established to provide instruction in peace education and offer opportunities for graduates to serve in programs dedicated to domestic or international nonviolent conflict resolution.

Green Stuff
Kucinich will continue to press for tough enforcement of existing environmental laws and the continued strengthening of these laws.[/i]

Universal Healthcare
On May 1, Congressman Kucinich, on behalf of the Progressive Caucus, hosted a Universal Health Care Briefing in collaboration with the Congressional Black Caucus and Hispanic Caucus. Congressman Kucinich brought together 12 members of Congress, former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich, Marcia Angell, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, as well as numerous other doctors, nurses, health care advocates, and patients. As part of the briefing, the Physicians for a National Health Program presented a proposal of a national, single-payer health plan.

Overall politics
Congressman Kucinich, Chairman of the Progressive Caucus explains the Caucus' Economic Stimulus Plan at a Washington DC news conference. Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey (D-CA) and Maxine Waters (D-CA) are additional supporters of the plan.

The Bill

I do not know whether Dennis Kucinich believes in chemtrails. Since I could not come up with the appropriate ZIP-code to show I was his constituent (which, since I live in Arizona, I'm not), I could not send him any e-mail to ask him. I believe that Kim Weber may be a constituent of his; perhaps she could get further information about his beliefs if she chooses.

I do know that, given Mr. Kucinich's background, he is as staunch a foe of the SDI program as he is a friend of the UN; perhaps the addition of chemtrails, along with tectonic weapons and other ...exotic ... weapons may be a ploy. Or maybe not.

My guess is that his bill will not get out of committee. Given President Bush's popularity right now, I do not see any bill that tries to stop defense or defense-related spending going anywhere except into Congressman Kucinich's publicity file.

But who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.

Regards,

posted 01-09-2002 03:14 PM            

You don't know me or my beliefs, Chip, let alone whether your nit-picking challenges them or not.

posted 01-09-2002 03:17 PM            

I asked you not to make fun of our members before, and now you're doing it again. Sorry, but the "just kidding" disclaimer doesn't work for me. Of course, you are able to make snide remarks, but one is also subject to the ramifications of those remarks. Thanks for your participation.